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RedJackson 02/25/21 6:10:32 PM #51:	FlameTurtle posted... It would be rad if CE could have one topic about trans people that didn't involve sports Make it then idk youre gonna feel the same way about it as long as its someone whose not transgender, why not just hold up the flag? Its like people talking about abuse of the belt but only having been spanked lol --- https://imgur.com/e6aBSof - Pus_N_Pecans original! https://imgur.com/bve6U7T - Error1335 original! <cite>RedJackson posted [p:951075454] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>FlameTurtle posted... </cite> <quote>It would be rad if CE could have one topic about trans people that didn't involve sports</quote> Make it then idk youre gonna feel the same way about it as long as its someone whose not transgender, why not just hold up the flag? Its like people talking about abuse of the belt but only having been spanked lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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seankimberley42 02/25/21 6:17:31 PM #53:	s0nicfan posted... There's not enough evidence, but there is evidence. Whenever it gets posted to a topic like this it either gets ignored or somebody claims that the sample size isn't big enough but isn't willing to agree to the notion that the study should be repeated with a larger sample size. For example, here's a study that looked at strength across a cohort of trans men and trans women that found that even after a year of treatment the trans women still outperformed the trans men. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2019/09/26/782557.full.pdf Dude, that isnt even a peer reviewed study. Might as well use the Washington Examiner as a source. --- " That was just stupidity on my part." - NEOverlook13 <cite>seankimberley42 posted [p:951075786] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite> <quote>There's not enough evidence, but there is evidence. Whenever it gets posted to a topic like this it either gets ignored or somebody claims that the sample size isn't big enough but isn't willing to agree to the notion that the study should be repeated with a larger sample size. For example, here's a study that looked at strength across a cohort of trans men and trans women that found that even after a year of treatment the trans women still outperformed the trans men. https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2019/09/26/782557.full.pdf</quote> Dude, that isnt even a peer reviewed study. Might as well use the Washington Examiner as a source. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anteaterking 02/25/21 6:17:38 PM #54:	t5yvxc posted... People need to chill with the "perfect woman" stuff... The cult hasn't hit Trump level of bad yet, but regardless the complete devotion surrounding AOC is hitting cult level. Do you think the problem with Trump was that people just liked him too much? --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:951075793] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>t5yvxc posted... </cite> <quote>People need to chill with the "perfect woman" stuff... The cult hasn't hit Trump level of bad yet, but regardless the complete devotion surrounding AOC is hitting cult level.</quote> Do you think the problem with Trump was that people just liked him too much? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
t5yvxc 02/25/21 6:30:56 PM #55:	Anteaterking posted... Do you think the problem with Trump was that people just liked him too much? Blind adoration, yes. His blind fans constantly showering him with praise, yes. His fans hyping him up to be some work of perfection, yes. So yes, his cult likes him too much while grifters and trolls continue to build on it for whatever reason they benefit for peddling the cult. And good luck criticising the cult leader.... To be very clear I'm not saying AOCs cult is anywhere as bad as Trumps. Hes just the most recent and relevant example of a cult we can reference. My actual point is this the blind adoration to AOC constantly, hyping her to be the "perfect woman" constantly or "queen", and dare anyone disagreeing with her on anything (to be very clear, I'm not referring to or agreeing with whatever the wackadoo MTG and whatever argument coming out of her camp) is crossing into cult territory. Just saying the cult like behavior needs to be toned down.... <cite>t5yvxc posted [p:951076398] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>Anteaterking posted... </cite> <quote>Do you think the problem with Trump was that people just liked him too much?</quote>Blind adoration, yes. His blind fans constantly showering him with praise, yes. His fans hyping him up to be some work of perfection, yes. So yes, his cult likes him too much while grifters and trolls continue to build on it for whatever reason they benefit for peddling the cult. And good luck criticising the cult leader.... To be very clear I'm not saying AOCs cult is anywhere as bad as Trumps. Hes just the most recent and relevant example of a cult we can reference. My actual point is this the blind adoration to AOC constantly, hyping her to be the "perfect woman" constantly or "queen", and dare anyone disagreeing with her on anything (to be very clear, I'm not referring to or agreeing with whatever the wackadoo MTG and whatever argument coming out of her camp) is crossing into cult territory. Just saying the cult like behavior needs to be toned down.... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 02/25/21 6:39:13 PM #56:	seankimberley42 posted... Dude, that isnt even a peer reviewed study. Might as well use the Washington Examiner as a source. Government funded university research in preprint since it just came out: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31794605/ Affiliations: 1Department of Laboratory Medicine, Division of Clinical Physiology, Karolinska Institutet, and Unit of Clinical Physiology, Karolinska University Hospital, Stockholm, Sweden. 2Department of Medicine, Karolinska Institutet, Karolinska University Hospital Huddinge, Stockholm, Sweden. 3ANOVA, Andrology, Sexual Medicine and Transgender Medicine, Karolinska University Hospital, Stockholm, Sweden. 4Division of Radiology, Department of Clinical Science, Intervention and Technology, Karolinska Institutet, Karolinska University Hospital, Stockholm, Sweden. 5AMRA Medical AB, Linkping, Sweden. 6Department of Medical and Health Sciences, Linkping University, Linkping, Sweden. But like I said, people don't want evidence. They want to claim there's no evidence and ignore or wave away any science that disagrees. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:951076748] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>seankimberley42 posted... </cite> <quote>Dude, that isnt even a peer reviewed study. Might as well use the Washington Examiner as a source.</quote> Government funded university research in preprint since it just came out: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31794605/ Affiliations: 1Department of Laboratory Medicine, Division of Clinical Physiology, Karolinska Institutet, and Unit of Clinical Physiology, Karolinska University Hospital, Stockholm, Sweden.2Department of Medicine, Karolinska Institutet, Karolinska University Hospital Huddinge, Stockholm, Sweden.3ANOVA, Andrology, Sexual Medicine and Transgender Medicine, Karolinska University Hospital, Stockholm, Sweden.4Division of Radiology, Department of Clinical Science, Intervention and Technology, Karolinska Institutet, Karolinska University Hospital, Stockholm, Sweden.5AMRA Medical AB, Linkping, Sweden.6Department of Medical and Health Sciences, Linkping University, Linkping, Sweden. But like I said, people don't want evidence. They want to claim there's no evidence and ignore or wave away any science that disagrees. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/25/21 6:42:45 PM #57:	Robot2600 posted... You can say "ooo my god but what about their bodies" all you want, and that doesn't change the fact that there is zero evidence for anyone becoming trans to have an edge in sports. wut? There's tons of evidence. It's overwhelming Hell the mere existence of female leagues because women cant compete against men is evidence in of itself. But no amount of hormone therapy can undo your larger bone density, size, muscle mass or pain receptor amount https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-020-01389-3 https://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0041/ea0041EP397 We have shown that under testosterone suppression regimes typically used in clinical settings, and which comfortably exceed the requirements of sports federations for inclusion of transgender women in female sports categories by reducing testosterone levels to well below the upper tolerated limit, evidence for loss of the male performance advantage, established by testosterone at puberty and translating in elite athletes to a 1050% performance advantage, is lacking. Rather, the data show that strength, lean body mass, muscle size and bone density are only trivially affected. The reductions observed in muscle mass, size, and strength are very small compared to the baseline differences between males and females in these variables, and thus, there are major performance and safety implications in sports where these attributes are competitively significant. These data significantly undermine the delivery of fairness and safety presumed by the criteria set out in transgender inclusion policies, particularly given the stated prioritization of fairness as an overriding objective (for the IOC).If those policies are intended to preserve fairness, inclusion and the safety of biologically female athletes, sporting organizations may need to reassess their policies regarding inclusion of transgender women. Why do you think not 1 female athlete can make it in the NFL , MLB, NBA etc? For a more concrete numerical example, look at weightlifter Mary Gregory who instantly broke 9 biological female world records in one night with ease and her records were revoked after she revealed she was transgender. As a male, Mary posted the following numbers pre HRT on her Instagram account Squat - 408 Bench - 298 Deadlift 507 Total 1213 Bodyweight - 217 9 months after starting HRT. These numbers were what she got at the meet in question Squat - 314 Bench - 233 Deadlift 424 Total 971 Bodyweight - 179.3 Now that's about a 20% drop in all her lifts after going on HRT, and about a 20% drop in bodyweight. That's to be expected as the body adapts to the new hormone levels. In powerlifting, we use the Wilks coefficient to determine the best lifter across all weight classes. It takes your total, and modifies it based on a mathematical formula to allow you to compare yourself against everyone else. Men and women use different formulas as their physiology is different.Mary's Wilks score using the male data was 337. After 9 months of HRT, when Mary competed in the female division her score jumped up to 399. That's a 62 point jump (a 20% increase) in her abilities compared to her peers in less than a year. So in nine months, on HRT which reduces testosterone, muscle mass etc, Mary had gains the likes of which are only seen in brand new lifters who are still learning how to powerlift. When I compared Mary's results to the database in Open Powerlifting, a website dedicated to recording statistics for all powerlifting federations around the world, here's what I got.In the 40-44 age group, Mary's male ranking was at the 38th percentile. So better than average, but still middle of the pack. Using her numbers as a female, she moved into the 6th percentile. So top 10% in all of women's drug tested powerlifting in that age group. If all things were equal in the HRT process, we should have seen Mary's results put her in the 38th percentile of female lifters, but that clearly did not happen.Once again, I have to stress that neither I, or my federation wants to ban lifters like Mary from competing. In fact one of our core beliefs is that if you can lift a barbell, and you aren't taking PED's, then you have a place with us. But it's very clear based on the numbers provided that Mary received a performance boost from transitioning from a male to a female lifter compared to her peer group. That's not at all fair to the rest of the lifters in that division. tl;dr. She had a massive advantage due to biology She went from a barely above average male weight lifter to a record breaking female one and one of the best in the world I'm with you 100% on laws, businesses, employment, insurance etc. Anyone against rights is a monster But the NFL ,NBA MLB etc aren't segregated. Women can play in then within the rules. Its just that the absolute worst bottom NFL player Is still superior to the absolute best female football player Only womens sports are segregated and they have to be segregated to exist. putting women with biologically male bodies gives them a gigantic unfair advantage over biological women. Its segregated due to biological sex, not gender. And if you think this is an anti trans attack, answer why no one cares if a transgender man completes in the unsegregated "male" leagues? pinky0926 posted... Currently we have women and men sports divisions for the purpose of protecting a class who is not anywhere near as advantaged genetically. If we change the current model to allow the categories of women and men to simply be self-identifiable, it undermines any reason whatsoever for having these separate categories in the first place. We'd just be having different leagues, "just because". It doesn't really make sense, and the logical conclusion would be to do away with men/womens sports altogether. But that's...obviously not a good solution. "Mens" sports are not segregated "Doing away with mens/womens sports" just means "Doing away with womens sports." women can play in the NFL or NBA or MLB. They just can't play in them. The Williams sisters would be spanked by any pro-male tennis player on Earth. That's not an insult. It's just biology. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:951076858] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>Robot2600 posted... </cite> <quote>You can say "ooo my god but what about their bodies" all you want, and that doesn't change the fact that there is zero evidence for anyone becoming trans to have an edge in sports.</quote>wut? There's tons of evidence. It's overwhelming Hell the mere existence of female leagues because women cant compete against men is evidence in of itself. But no amount of hormone therapy can undo your larger bone density, size, muscle mass or pain receptor amount https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40279-020-01389-3 https://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0041/ea0041EP397 We have shown that under testosterone suppression regimes typically used in clinical settings, and which comfortably exceed the requirements of sports federations for inclusion of transgender women in female sports categories by reducing testosterone levels to well below the upper tolerated limit, evidence for loss of the male performance advantage, established by testosterone at puberty and translating in elite athletes to a 1050% performance advantage, is lacking. Rather, the data show that strength, lean body mass, muscle size and bone density are only trivially affected. The reductions observed in muscle mass, size, and strength are very small compared to the baseline differences between males and females in these variables, and thus, there are major performance and safety implications in sports where these attributes are competitively significant. These data significantly undermine the delivery of fairness and safety presumed by the criteria set out in transgender inclusion policies, particularly given the stated prioritization of fairness as an overriding objective (for the IOC).If those policies are intended to preserve fairness, inclusion and the safety of biologically female athletes, sporting organizations may need to reassess their policies regarding inclusion of transgender women. Why do you think not 1 female athlete can make it in the NFL , MLB, NBA etc? For a more concrete numerical example, look at weightlifter Mary Gregory who instantly broke 9 biological female world records in one night with ease and her records were revoked after she revealed she was transgender. As a male, Mary posted the following numbers pre HRT on her Instagram account Squat - 408 Bench - 298 Deadlift 507 Total 1213 Bodyweight - 217 9 months after starting HRT. These numbers were what she got at the meet in question Squat - 314 Bench - 233 Deadlift 424 Total 971 Bodyweight - 179.3 Now that's about a 20% drop in all her lifts after going on HRT, and about a 20% drop in bodyweight. That's to be expected as the body adapts to the new hormone levels. In powerlifting, we use the Wilks coefficient to determine the best lifter across all weight classes. It takes your total, and modifies it based on a mathematical formula to allow you to compare yourself against everyone else. Men and women use different formulas as their physiology is different.Mary's Wilks score using the male data was 337. After 9 months of HRT, when Mary competed in the female division her score jumped up to 399. That's a 62 point jump (a 20% increase) in her abilities compared to her peers in less than a year. So in nine months, on HRT which reduces testosterone, muscle mass etc, Mary had gains the likes of which are only seen in brand new lifters who are still learning how to powerlift. When I compared Mary's results to the database in Open Powerlifting, a website dedicated to recording statistics for all powerlifting federations around the world, here's what I got.In the 40-44 age group, Mary's male ranking was at the 38th percentile. So better than average, but still middle of the pack. Using her numbers as a female, she moved into the 6th percentile. So top 10% in all of women's drug tested powerlifting in that age group. If all things were equal in the HRT process, we should have seen Mary's results put her in the 38th percentile of female lifters, but that clearly did not happen.Once again, I have to stress that neither I, or my federation wants to ban lifters like Mary from competing. In fact one of our core beliefs is that if you can lift a barbell, and you aren't taking PED's, then you have a place with us. But it's very clear based on the numbers provided that Mary received a performance boost from transitioning from a male to a female lifter compared to her peer group. That's not at all fair to the rest of the lifters in that division. tl;dr. She had a massive advantage due to biology She went from a barely above average male weight lifter to a record breaking female one and one of the best in the world I'm with you 100% on laws, businesses, employment, insurance etc. Anyone against rights is a monster But the NFL ,NBA MLB etc aren't segregated. Women can play in then within the rules. Its just that the absolute worst bottom NFL player Is still superior to the absolute best female football player Only womens sports are segregated and they have to be segregated to exist. putting women with biologically male bodies gives them a gigantic unfair advantage over biological women. Its segregated due to biological sex, not gender. And if you think this is an anti trans attack, answer why no one cares if a transgender man completes in the unsegregated "male" leagues? pinky0926 posted... </cite> <quote> Currently we have women and men sports divisions for the purpose of protecting a class who is not anywhere near as advantaged genetically. If we change the current model to allow the categories of women and men to simply be self-identifiable, it undermines any reason whatsoever for having these separate categories in the first place. We'd just be having different leagues, "just because". It doesn't really make sense, and the logical conclusion would be to do away with men/womens sports altogether. But that's...obviously not a good solution.</quote>"Mens" sports are not segregated "Doing away with mens/womens sports" just means "Doing away with womens sports." women can play in the NFL or NBA or MLB. They just can't play in them. The Williams sisters would be spanked by any pro-male tennis player on Earth. That's not an insult. It's just biology. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 02/25/21 6:46:39 PM #58:	Won't someone PLEASE think of the sports ;~; --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:951077017] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>Won't someone PLEASE think of the sports ;~; </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 02/25/21 6:48:06 PM #59:	UnfairRepresent posted... The Williams sisters would be spanked by any pro-male tennis player on Earth. That's not an insult. It's just biology. For claiming it's not an insult, you sure phrased it in an insulting way. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:951077084] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>The Williams sisters would be spanked by any pro-male tennis player on Earth. That's not an insult. It's just biology.</quote>For claiming it's not an insult, you sure phrased it in an insulting way. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
David1988 02/25/21 6:52:37 PM #60:	Probably the top 100 pro-male tennis players could beat the Williams sisters, it wouldnt be literally any pro-male player, I think underestimate how good the Williams sisters are --- Each night, when I go to sleep, I die. <cite>David1988 posted [p:951077247] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>Probably the top 100 pro-male tennis players could beat the Williams sisters, it wouldnt be literally any pro-male player, I think underestimate how good the Williams sisters are </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/25/21 6:53:29 PM #61:	ZMythos posted... For claiming it's not an insult, you sure phrased it in an insulting way. I'm just being honest. I think going forward every single poster in this topic needs to say one sentence: What you want to be true doesn't matter. All that matters is what is true. I don't point out the difference between male and female biology because I like the fact there is a difference. There just is one. You can't just ignore it. Womens sports have to be for biological women. Their gender doesn't matter. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:951077285] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>For claiming it's not an insult, you sure phrased it in an insulting way.</quote>I'm just being honest. I think going forward every single poster in this topic needs to say one sentence: What you want to be true doesn't matter. All that matters is what is true. I don't point out the difference between male and female biology because I like the fact there is a difference. There just is one. You can't just ignore it. Womens sports have to be for biological women. Their gender doesn't matter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 02/25/21 6:56:13 PM #62:	UnfairRepresent posted... I'm just being honest. Sure you are. UnfairRepresent posted... Womens sports have to be for biological women. Their gender doesn't matter. Or. Or. Or.... We could change how sports are arbitrarily segregated because we literally made those boundaries up in the first place. Hell, we literally made sports up. It's not some sacred ritual that must exist in its current form forever. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:951077378] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>I'm just being honest.</quote>Sure you are. UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Womens sports have to be for biological women. Their gender doesn't matter.</quote>Or. Or. Or.... We could change how sports are arbitrarily segregated because we literally made those boundaries up in the first place. Hell, we literally made sports up. It's not some sacred ritual that must exist in its current form forever. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/25/21 6:56:49 PM #63:	David1988 posted... Probably the top 100 pro-male tennis players could beat the Williams sisters, it wouldnt be literally any pro-male player, I think underestimate how good the Williams sisters are You're wrong Karsten Braasch who was ranked 203rd beat the Williams sisters with ease, openly claiming he wasn't trying. Braasch claims they were weaker than the top 600 players. The Williams sisters said they couldn't beat any man above the top 350. You'd really struggle to find a male professional tennis player who can't beat the WIlliams sisters with ease. They are biologically stronger, faster, fitter, have better reflexes and cardio. It's just biology. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:951077403] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>David1988 posted... </cite> <quote>Probably the top 100 pro-male tennis players could beat the Williams sisters, it wouldnt be literally any pro-male player, I think underestimate how good the Williams sisters are</quote>You're wrong Karsten Braasch who was ranked 203rd beat the Williams sisters with ease, openly claiming he wasn't trying. Braasch claims they were weaker than the top 600 players. The Williams sisters said they couldn't beat any man above the top 350. You'd really struggle to find a male professional tennis player who can't beat the WIlliams sisters with ease. They are biologically stronger, faster, fitter, have better reflexes and cardio. It's just biology. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/25/21 6:58:19 PM #64:	ZMythos posted... We could change how sports are arbitrarily segregated because we literally made those boundaries up in the first place. Hell, we literally made sports up. It's not some sacred ritual that must exist in its current form forever. As you would know if you actually read my posts. "Male" sports are not segregated. Women just can't physically compete in them. This is why womens leagues were formed. So f you "Get rid of those boudries" all you are doing is removing womens sports from existence. Women ar alowed to play in the NFL or NBA or MLB. They just physically are at a lower level --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:951077468] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote> We could change how sports are arbitrarily segregated because we literally made those boundaries up in the first place. Hell, we literally made sports up. It's not some sacred ritual that must exist in its current form forever.</quote>As you would know if you actually read my posts. "Male" sports are not segregated. Women just can't physically compete in them. This is why womens leagues were formed. So f you "Get rid of those boudries" all you are doing is removing womens sports from existence. Women ar alowed to play in the NFL or NBA or MLB. They just physically are at a lower level </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 02/25/21 6:58:22 PM #65:	I too think we should hold up all trans rights because of made up fears that male athletes will transition and ruin women's sports. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:951077473] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>I too think we should hold up all trans rights because of made up fears that male athletes will transition and ruin women's sports. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 02/25/21 7:00:15 PM #66:	UnfairRepresent posted... As you would know if you actually read my posts. "Male" sports are not segregated. Women just can't physically compete in them. This is why womens leagues were formed. So f you "Get rid of those boudries" all you are doing is removing womens sports from existence. Women ar alowed to play in the NFL or NBA or MLB. They just physically are at a lower level Change =/= Get rid of. Stop putting words in my mouth. Also again your dedication to worshipping sports as they currently are is what's clouding your judgement. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:951077557] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>As you would know if you actually read my posts. "Male" sports are not segregated. Women just can't physically compete in them. This is why womens leagues were formed. So f you "Get rid of those boudries" all you are doing is removing womens sports from existence. Women ar alowed to play in the NFL or NBA or MLB. They just physically are at a lower level</quote> Change =/= Get rid of. Stop putting words in my mouth. Also again your dedication to worshipping sports as they currently are is what's clouding your judgement. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
David1988 02/25/21 7:02:35 PM #67:	UnfairRepresent posted... You're wrong Karsten Braasch who was ranked 203rd beat the Williams sisters with ease, openly claiming he wasn't trying. Braasch claims they were weaker than the top 600 players. The Williams sisters said they couldn't beat any man above the top 350. You'd really struggle to find a male professional tennis player who can't beat the WIlliams sisters with ease. They are biologically stronger, faster, fitter, have better reflexes and cardio. It's just biology. Damn didnt know that. Guess biology is a more significant than I thought, no way I would have thought a top 600 male pro tennis player could beat Serena in her prime. --- Each night, when I go to sleep, I die. <cite>David1988 posted [p:951077665] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>You're wrong Karsten Braasch who was ranked 203rd beat the Williams sisters with ease, openly claiming he wasn't trying. Braasch claims they were weaker than the top 600 players. The Williams sisters said they couldn't beat any man above the top 350. You'd really struggle to find a male professional tennis player who can't beat the WIlliams sisters with ease. They are biologically stronger, faster, fitter, have better reflexes and cardio. It's just biology.</quote> Damn didnt know that. Guess biology is a more significant than I thought, no way I would have thought a top 600 male pro tennis player could beat Serena in her prime. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FlameTurtle 02/25/21 7:04:32 PM #68:	hockeybub89 posted... I too think we should hold up all trans rights because of made up fears that male athletes will transition and ruin women's sports. Right? --- The one and the only Dr. Ms. FlameTurtle Esq., First of Her Name She/Her <cite>FlameTurtle posted [p:951077744] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>I too think we should hold up all trans rights because of made up fears that male athletes will transition and ruin women's sports.</quote>Right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/25/21 7:06:06 PM #69:	hockeybub89 posted... I too think we should hold up all trans rights because of made up fears that male athletes will transition and ruin women's sports. I 100% agree everyone should have equal rights when it comes to like possession of property, representation in law, hospital visitation, employment oppotunity, marruage right etc. Discriminating against people is wrong. We all have the right to pursue happiness. It's in the consistitution. *But womens sport isn't a "rights" thing. It isn't about your mindset or emotions or soul. It's entirely about your physical body by it's conception and definition.* *If you have a male body then you have a gigantic advantage over someone with a female body.* Funny how you ignored that. You can (and should) push for equal rights without effecting womens sports --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:951077811] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>I too think we should hold up all trans rights because of made up fears that male athletes will transition and ruin women's sports.</quote> I 100% agree everyone should have equal rights when it comes to like possession of property, representation in law, hospital visitation, employment oppotunity, marruage right etc. Discriminating against people is wrong. We all have the right to pursue happiness. It's in the consistitution. But womens sport isn't a "rights" thing. It isn't about your mindset or emotions or soul. It's entirely about your physical body by it's conception and definition. If you have a male body then you have a gigantic advantage over someone with a female body. Funny how you ignored that. You can (and should) push for equal rights without effecting womens sports </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SPE 02/25/21 7:38:48 PM #70:	My point still hasnt changed, though few people would touch it with a 10 foot pole: the case where a person who has, or used to have testicles enrolls in a female sports division professionally is very, very infrequent. How many documented cases are out there? the right is just using this to rally their people since abortion is losing its pull --- Welcome to the Spore Store! My shrooms are delicious, suspicious, but never malicious! <cite>SPE posted [p:951079245] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>My point still hasnt changed, though few people would touch it with a 10 foot pole: the case where a person who has, or used to have testicles enrolls in a female sports division professionally is very, very infrequent. How many documented cases are out there? the right is just using this to rally their people since abortion is losing its pull </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 02/25/21 7:46:37 PM #72:	SPE posted... My point still hasnt changed, though few people would touch it with a 10 foot pole: the case where a person who has, or used to have testicles enrolls in a female sports division professionally is very, very infrequent. How many documented cases are out there? i csnt believe "It's rare so it's okay" isn't really a good enough excuse. Their aren't going to be as many body-builders as impressive as Mary Gregory. It's still not fair to put her records alongside people with biological female bodies. That's why she was stripped and it was the correct call. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:951079587] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>SPE posted... </cite> <quote>My point still hasnt changed, though few people would touch it with a 10 foot pole: the case where a person who has, or used to have testicles enrolls in a female sports division professionally is very, very infrequent. How many documented cases are out there? i csnt believe</quote>"It's rare so it's okay" isn't really a good enough excuse. Their aren't going to be as many body-builders as impressive as Mary Gregory. It's still not fair to put her records alongside people with biological female bodies. That's why she was stripped and it was the correct call. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SPE 02/25/21 7:50:19 PM #73:	UnfairRepresent posted... "It's rare so it's okay" isn't really a good enough excuse. Their aren't going to be as many body-builders as impressive as Mary Gregory. It's still not fair to put her records alongside people with biological female bodies. That's why she was stripped and it was the correct call. there is police brutality there is unequal sentencing in the justice system there is systematic racism there is a wage gap that affects women china is poised to replace us as world power the minimum wage has stagnated for decades global warming is breaking havoc throughout the country we need to take money out of politics Trump and his people want to overthrow democracy but yes, lets focus on the 4 or 5 cases in which a person that has or used to have testicles and try to legislate the fuck out that instead, THAT should be our priority, GOP --- Welcome to the Spore Store! My shrooms are delicious, suspicious, but never malicious! <cite>SPE posted [p:951079773] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>"It's rare so it's okay" isn't really a good enough excuse. Their aren't going to be as many body-builders as impressive as Mary Gregory. It's still not fair to put her records alongside people with biological female bodies. That's why she was stripped and it was the correct call.</quote> there is police brutality there is unequal sentencing in the justice system there is systematic racism there is a wage gap that affects women china is poised to replace us as world power the minimum wage has stagnated for decades global warming is breaking havoc throughout the country we need to take money out of politics Trump and his people want to overthrow democracy but yes, lets focus on the 4 or 5 cases in which a person that has or used to have testicles and try to legislate the fuck out that instead, THAT should be our priority, GOP </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/25/21 7:54:04 PM #74:	That's a bullshit argument and you know it "Bigger issues exist, therefore we must make incorrect calls on smaller issues" is a complete non-sequitur. Brexit is more important than your car, but if someone smashed up your car, them going "Well you can't arrest me because Brexit should be a priority" would leave you exetremely unimpressed. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:951079945] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>That's a bullshit argument and you know it "Bigger issues exist, therefore we must make incorrect calls on smaller issues" is a complete non-sequitur. Brexit is more important than your car, but if someone smashed up your car, them going "Well you can't arrest me because Brexit should be a priority" would leave you exetremely unimpressed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 02/26/21 12:19:08 AM #75:	t5yvxc posted... People need to chill with the "perfect woman" stuff... The cult hasn't hit Trump level of bad yet, but regardless the complete devotion surrounding AOC is hitting cult level. It some ways it's worse. I doubt anybody sexually fetishied trump. And yeah, quite the echo chamber we got going on here. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:951089219] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>t5yvxc posted... </cite> <quote>People need to chill with the "perfect woman" stuff... The cult hasn't hit Trump level of bad yet, but regardless the complete devotion surrounding AOC is hitting cult level.</quote> It some ways it's worse. I doubt anybody sexually fetishied trump. And yeah, quite the echo chamber we got going on here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 02/26/21 12:22:49 AM #76:	UnfairRepresent posted... That's a bullshit argument and you know it "Bigger issues exist, therefore we must make incorrect calls on smaller issues" is a complete non-sequitur. Brexit is more important than your car, but if someone smashed up your car, them going "Well you can't arrest me because Brexit should be a priority" would leave you exetremely unimpressed. It's weird that people here often act like "This dem bill/policy is 100% right" and "This rep bill/policy is 100% wrong" are somehow the intellectual answers. Caring about the subsets of an issue doesn't make you a knuckle-draging MAGA terrorist. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:951089297] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>That's a bullshit argument and you know it "Bigger issues exist, therefore we must make incorrect calls on smaller issues" is a complete non-sequitur. Brexit is more important than your car, but if someone smashed up your car, them going "Well you can't arrest me because Brexit should be a priority" would leave you exetremely unimpressed.</quote> It's weird that people here often act like "This dem bill/policy is 100% right" and "This rep bill/policy is 100% wrong" are somehow the intellectual answers. Caring about the subsets of an issue doesn't make you a knuckle-draging MAGA terrorist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdRainAndSnow 02/26/21 12:23:41 AM #77:	Future Prez and beautiful too --- Subscribe to The Young Turks www.twitch.tv/tyt <cite>ColdRainAndSnow posted [p:951089323] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>Future Prez and beautiful too </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SPE 02/26/21 12:24:03 AM #78:	joe40001 posted... I doubt anybody sexually fetishied trump. you havent seen those Norse warrior king trump memes? Or the video of Marjorie Taylor green deeding a trump cardboard image? --- Welcome to the Spore Store! My shrooms are delicious, suspicious, but never malicious! <cite>SPE posted [p:951089330] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>I doubt anybody sexually fetishied trump. </quote> you havent seen those Norse warrior king trump memes? Or the video of Marjorie Taylor green deeding a trump cardboard image? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThyCorndog 02/26/21 12:24:47 AM #79:	ben garrison definitely wants to fuck trump --- https://imgur.com/6cPXvLN https://imgur.com/hVC4i6j <cite>ThyCorndog posted [p:951089352] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>ben garrison definitely wants to fuck trump </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 02/26/21 12:25:07 AM #80:	There were also weird drawings of Trump as a sports star I think I remember seeing Some people did like to portray Trump in some twisted sexual way <cite>Zikten posted [p:951089363] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>There were also weird drawings of Trump as a sports star I think I remember seeing Some people did like to portray Trump in some twisted sexual way</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
au_gold 02/26/21 12:26:49 AM #81:	joe40001 posted... I doubt anybody sexually fetishied trump. https://twitter.com/copingmaga/status/1357697989704355840?s=21 --- Let me talk to your mother. Get your mother please. <cite>au_gold posted [p:951089413] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>I doubt anybody sexually fetishied trump.</quote>https://twitter.com/copingmaga/status/1357697989704355840?s=21 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KobeSystem 02/26/21 12:28:55 AM #82:	UnfairRepresent posted... I hate to say it because I hate MTG so much but I think she's ultimately right on womens sports. That's not a moral issue, it's a biological one. Women's sports only exist because female bodies cannot compete against male bodies. "Male" sporting leagues are not segregated. It's just that the absolute best super top #1 female athlete in the world is inferior to the worst male pro athlete in his sport. There is no female on Earth who could be an NFL tackle against men and there never will be. I 100% agree everyone should have equal rights when it comes to like possession of property, representation in law, hospital visitation, employment oppotunity, marruage right etc. Discriminating against people is wrong. We all have the right to pursue happiness. It's in the consistitution. But womens sport isn't a "rights" thing. It isn't about your mindset or emotions or soul. It's entirely about your physical body by it's conception and definition. If you have a male body then you have a gigantic advantage over someone with a female body. I love womens MMA. I love Amanda Nunes. But if Frank Mir transitioned into a girl, dropped to 135 pounds and fought her in a cage. I would be opposed to it because that's not a fair fight. That's not because I like it, it sucks. I wish it wasn't like that. But it is, it's a fact and what I or you want doesn't matter. Nature and reality do not respect what you "want" to be true. And I've never met a transgender who didn't understand this. They are not claiming to have the other sex's body. That's why it's transgender and not transchromosome. I feel like people do themselves no favors by muddying the issue here. You're making the crazy bigots look more reasonable by being needlessly unreasonable when you're otherwise completely in the right. Just think of "Womens sporting league" as "Biological womens sporting league" and maybe the left would understand it a little more. Didn't a transwoman get her ass beat in an Mma fight not too long ago? --- http://www.last.fm/user/KobeSystem92 \| https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/725087214401671170/02UGgybe_400x400.jpg WIN SEXANGELS GREATKERZ <cite>KobeSystem posted [p:951089464] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>I hate to say it because I hate MTG so much but I think she's ultimately right on womens sports. That's not a moral issue, it's a biological one. Women's sports only exist because female bodies cannot compete against male bodies. "Male" sporting leagues are not segregated. It's just that the absolute best super top #1 female athlete in the world is inferior to the worst male pro athlete in his sport. There is no female on Earth who could be an NFL tackle against men and there never will be. I 100% agree everyone should have equal rights when it comes to like possession of property, representation in law, hospital visitation, employment oppotunity, marruage right etc. Discriminating against people is wrong. We all have the right to pursue happiness. It's in the consistitution. But womens sport isn't a "rights" thing. It isn't about your mindset or emotions or soul. It's entirely about your physical body by it's conception and definition. If you have a male body then you have a gigantic advantage over someone with a female body. I love womens MMA. I love Amanda Nunes. But if Frank Mir transitioned into a girl, dropped to 135 pounds and fought her in a cage. I would be opposed to it because that's not a fair fight. That's not because I like it, it sucks. I wish it wasn't like that. But it is, it's a fact and what I or you want doesn't matter. Nature and reality do not respect what you "want" to be true. And I've never met a transgender who didn't understand this. They are not claiming to have the other sex's body. That's why it's transgender and not transchromosome. I feel like people do themselves no favors by muddying the issue here. You're making the crazy bigots look more reasonable by being needlessly unreasonable when you're otherwise completely in the right. Just think of "Womens sporting league" as "Biological womens sporting league" and maybe the left would understand it a little more.</quote> Didn't a transwoman get her ass beat in an Mma fight not too long ago? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 02/26/21 12:36:51 AM #83:	au_gold posted... https://twitter.com/copingmaga/status/1357697989704355840?s=21 I was going to say that she probably was doing it ironically but after watching the clip I'll grant you that I was wrong with that claim. But will you grant me it's WAAAAAAAAAAY more common with "literally the perfect woman" AOC? --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:951089653] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>au_gold posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/copingmaga/status/1357697989704355840?s=21</quote> I was going to say that she probably was doing it ironically but after watching the clip I'll grant you that I was wrong with that claim. But will you grant me it's WAAAAAAAAAAY more common with "literally the perfect woman" AOC? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 02/26/21 12:44:47 AM #84:	KobeSystem posted... Didn't a transwoman get her ass beat in an Mma fight not too long ago? Are you saying there is no significant biological advantage males have over females in sports? Because if not, transwomen losing sometimes doesn't prove a point. Let's take the politics out of it: Why does boxing have different weight classes? Because the argument "A featherweight has beaten a heavyweight before" is not the same thing as "the two weight classes are interchangable." People get too messed up with the politics and signaling. We should go for what is most fair and kind to most people. And sometimes doing that isn't going to go where the hierarchy would tell you. Sometimes that might mean a woman's group winning a case over a transwoman's group. Or an Asian group winning over other minorities in anti-affirmative action. The world is more complicated than a naive game of rock paper scissors where: Trans > Minority > Gay > Women > Men > Sewer Garbage > Republicans It's profoundly stupid to assume whichever label in the hierarchy is stamped on an idea determines it's merit. The merit should be determined by the objective merit. Not that the objective merit won't often agree with our noble minded intuitions, but it certainly won't always. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:951089825] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>KobeSystem posted... </cite> <quote>Didn't a transwoman get her ass beat in an Mma fight not too long ago?</quote> Are you saying there is no significant biological advantage males have over females in sports? Because if not, transwomen losing sometimes doesn't prove a point. Let's take the politics out of it: Why does boxing have different weight classes? Because the argument "A featherweight has beaten a heavyweight before" is not the same thing as "the two weight classes are interchangable." People get too messed up with the politics and signaling. We should go for what is most fair and kind to most people. And sometimes doing that isn't going to go where the hierarchy would tell you. Sometimes that might mean a woman's group winning a case over a transwoman's group. Or an Asian group winning over other minorities in anti-affirmative action. The world is more complicated than a naive game of rock paper scissors where: Trans > Minority > Gay > Women > Men > Sewer Garbage > Republicans It's profoundly stupid to assume whichever label in the hierarchy is stamped on an idea determines it's merit. The merit should be determined by the objective merit. Not that the objective merit won't often agree with our noble minded intuitions, but it certainly won't always. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KobeSystem 02/26/21 1:05:11 AM #85:	joe40001 posted... Because the argument "A featherweight has beaten a heavyweight before" is not the same thing as "the two weight classes are interchangable." weight class isnt the same as gender tho --- http://www.last.fm/user/KobeSystem92 \| https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/725087214401671170/02UGgybe_400x400.jpg WIN SEXANGELS GREATKERZ <cite>KobeSystem posted [p:951090316] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>Because the argument "A featherweight has beaten a heavyweight before" is not the same thing as "the two weight classes are interchangable."</quote> weight class isnt the same as gender tho </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 02/26/21 1:33:11 AM #86:	KobeSystem posted... weight class isnt the same as gender tho And gender identity isn't the same as biological sex. Doesn't mean you reject somebody's gender identity, but it does mean their biological sex might affect their physical ability. For the people who bristle at the discussion of biological sex differences as they relate to sports and things like that, are you saying you'd be 100% comfortable with a co-ed MMA? I'm not pulling any strawmen about this. Just literally men and women fighting in MMA as equals? If you think such a thing might have an issue, I think then you have to acknowledge that some discussion should be made about biological sex differences. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:951090950] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>KobeSystem posted... </cite> <quote>weight class isnt the same as gender tho</quote> And gender identity isn't the same as biological sex. Doesn't mean you reject somebody's gender identity, but it does mean their biological sex might affect their physical ability. For the people who bristle at the discussion of biological sex differences as they relate to sports and things like that, are you saying you'd be 100% comfortable with a co-ed MMA? I'm not pulling any strawmen about this. Just literally men and women fighting in MMA as equals? If you think such a thing might have an issue, I think then you have to acknowledge that some discussion should be made about biological sex differences. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 02/26/21 3:17:10 AM #87:	ZMythos posted... Sure you are. Or. Or. Or.... We could change how sports are arbitrarily segregated because we literally made those boundaries up in the first place. Hell, we literally made sports up. It's not some sacred ritual that must exist in its current form forever. Why even have gendered categories at all then? Redefining the categories in this way undermines the reason for even having them. But if it's just gonna be about gender, you'd just have men and womens sports as separate entities but for no defensible reason. There's no justification to segregate male and female genders in sport. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:951092768] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>ZMythos posted... </cite> <quote>Sure you are. Or. Or. Or.... We could change how sports are arbitrarily segregated because we literally made those boundaries up in the first place. Hell, we literally made sports up. It's not some sacred ritual that must exist in its current form forever.</quote> Why even have gendered categories at all then? Redefining the categories in this way undermines the reason for even having them. But if it's just gonna be about gender, you'd just have men and womens sports as separate entities but for no defensible reason. There's no justification to segregate male and female genders in sport. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/26/21 7:02:01 AM #88:	KobeSystem posted... Didn't a transwoman get her ass beat in an Mma fight not too long ago? I wouldn't be surprised if they did I'm not sure what your point is tho. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:951095875] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>KobeSystem posted... </cite> <quote>Didn't a transwoman get her ass beat in an Mma fight not too long ago?</quote>I wouldn't be surprised if they did I'm not sure what your point is tho. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
t5yvxc 02/26/21 11:10:34 AM #89:	joe40001 posted... It some ways it's worse. I doubt anybody sexually fetishied trump. And yeah, quite the echo chamber we got going on here. I'd agree with you on there being an AOC echo chamber on this board. The blind adoration towards her along with what you just brought up about the sex fetishes towards is growing to cult levels even outside this board. With that being said, Trumps cult is still worse. There were definitely sexual fetishes for him as well as some strong alpha man. I only brought up the Trump cult because he's easily the most well known recent cult I could reference. <cite>t5yvxc posted [p:951103389] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>It some ways it's worse. I doubt anybody sexually fetishied trump. And yeah, quite the echo chamber we got going on here.</quote>I'd agree with you on there being an AOC echo chamber on this board. The blind adoration towards her along with what you just brought up about the sex fetishes towards is growing to cult levels even outside this board. With that being said, Trumps cult is still worse. There were definitely sexual fetishes for him as well as some strong alpha man. I only brought up the Trump cult because he's easily the most well known recent cult I could reference. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cerealmilk 02/26/21 11:18:26 AM #90:	if there isn't a difference then why have men and women sports separate in the first place? <cite>Cerealmilk posted [p:951103754] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>if there isn't a difference then why have men and women sports separate in the first place? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/26/21 5:12:51 PM #91:	t5yvxc posted... I'd agree with you on there being an AOC echo chamber on this board. The blind adoration towards her along with what you just brought up about the sex fetishes towards is growing to cult levels even outside this board. With that being said, Trumps cult is still worse. There were definitely sexual fetishes for him as well as some strong alpha man. I only brought up the Trump cult because he's easily the most well known recent cult I could reference. One major difference is people like AOC because of her policies and things she says about issues. Where as with Trump people like him because "LOL FUCK u liberal cuck! OWNED! WE WON! USA USA USA USA! CHRISTIANITY JESUS GUNS AERICA FIRT!" --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:951119335] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>t5yvxc posted... </cite> <quote>I'd agree with you on there being an AOC echo chamber on this board. The blind adoration towards her along with what you just brought up about the sex fetishes towards is growing to cult levels even outside this board. With that being said, Trumps cult is still worse. There were definitely sexual fetishes for him as well as some strong alpha man. I only brought up the Trump cult because he's easily the most well known recent cult I could reference.</quote>One major difference is people like AOC because of her policies and things she says about issues. Where as with Trump people like him because "LOL FUCK u liberal cuck! OWNED! WE WON! USA USA USA USA! CHRISTIANITY JESUS GUNS AERICA FIRT!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 02/26/21 8:16:11 PM #92:	UnfairRepresent posted... One major difference is people like AOC because of her policies and things she says about issues. With her it's more about policy, but i think a lot of it is still about what she represents. Like I doubt anybody here read the bill or knows what it's about. People like her "dunking on the dumb repubs" in the same way others liked Trump "dunking on the dumb libs". It's much more largely in service of better policies. But the people who really fanboy/fangirl out at her I don't think are working on that wavelength tbqh. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:951126338] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>One major difference is people like AOC because of her policies and things she says about issues.</quote> With her it's more about policy, but i think a lot of it is still about what she represents. Like I doubt anybody here read the bill or knows what it's about. People like her "dunking on the dumb repubs" in the same way others liked Trump "dunking on the dumb libs". It's much more largely in service of better policies. But the people who really fanboy/fangirl out at her I don't think are working on that wavelength tbqh. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/26/21 10:50:51 PM #93:	joe40001 posted... With her it's more about policy, but i think a lot of it is still about what she represents. Like I doubt anybody here read the bill or knows what it's about. People like her "dunking on the dumb repubs" in the same way others liked Trump "dunking on the dumb libs". Not really? This "both sides" attempt does not hold up to scrutiny Trumps support has never been political Covid denial Capitol riots Acceptance of crimes etc Aocs support has all been clean energy and healthcare and politicians actually turning up for work You can't really compare the 2 in good faith --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:951131226] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>With her it's more about policy, but i think a lot of it is still about what she represents. Like I doubt anybody here read the bill or knows what it's about. People like her "dunking on the dumb repubs" in the same way others liked Trump "dunking on the dumb libs". </quote> Not really? This "both sides" attempt does not hold up to scrutiny Trumps support has never been political Covid denial Capitol riots Acceptance of crimes etc Aocs support has all been clean energy and healthcare and politicians actually turning up for work You can't really compare the 2 in good faith </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
t5yvxc 02/26/21 10:57:02 PM #94:	UnfairRepresent posted... Not really? This "both sides" attempt does not hold up to scrutiny Trumps support has never been political Covid denial Capitol riots Acceptance of crimes etc Aocs support has all been clean energy and healthcare and politicians actually turning up for work You can't really compare the 2 in good faith The 2 can definitely be compared. One is far far worse ofc, being Trumps cult. However you can draw a comparison to get a point across. The argument isn't they are equally bad. Trump being far far worse aside, AOC does have a growing fanbase that's mirroring cult like behavior. <cite>t5yvxc posted [p:951131426] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Not really? This "both sides" attempt does not hold up to scrutiny Trumps support has never been political Covid denial Capitol riots Acceptance of crimes etc Aocs support has all been clean energy and healthcare and politicians actually turning up for work You can't really compare the 2 in good faith</quote>The 2 can definitely be compared. One is far far worse ofc, being Trumps cult. However you can draw a comparison to get a point across. The argument isn't they are equally bad. Trump being far far worse aside, AOC does have a growing fanbase that's mirroring cult like behavior. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/26/21 11:09:16 PM #95:	t5yvxc posted... The 2 can definitely be compared. One is far far worse ofc, being Trumps cult. In the same sense the 600 year war can be compared to a punch up in a Wal-Mart parking lot But it's a dumb comparison that serves no purpose --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:951131786] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>t5yvxc posted... </cite> <quote>The 2 can definitely be compared. One is far far worse ofc, being Trumps cult.</quote>In the same sense the 600 year war can be compared to a punch up in a Wal-Mart parking lot But it's a dumb comparison that serves no purpose </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lorenzo_2003 02/26/21 11:18:04 PM #96:	SPE posted... frank mir is 63. Nunes is 58, and she is already tall for a woman lmao Youre right about the misused analogy due to height difference, but the overall message isnt wrong though. If Nunes, the womens champ at 135, fought in the mens division, shed have her head caved in by anyone in the top 20. --- ... <cite>Lorenzo_2003 posted [p:951132028] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>SPE posted... </cite> <quote>frank mir is 63. Nunes is 58, and she is already tall for a woman lmao</quote> Youre right about the misused analogy due to height difference, but the overall message isnt wrong though. If Nunes, the womens champ at 135, fought in the mens division, shed have her head caved in by anyone in the top 20. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe40001 02/27/21 2:14:55 AM #97:	UnfairRepresent posted... In the same sense the 600 year war can be compared to a punch up in a Wal-Mart parking lot But it's a dumb comparison that serves no purpose No it does serve a purpose: Supporting somebody because you agree with their policies is good, supporting somebody because they are your worship idol is bad. --- "joe is attractive and quite the brilliant poster" - Seiichi Omori https://imgur.com/TheGsZ9 <cite>joe40001 posted [p:951135910] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>In the same sense the 600 year war can be compared to a punch up in a Wal-Mart parking lot But it's a dumb comparison that serves no purpose</quote> No it does serve a purpose: Supporting somebody because you agree with their policies is good, supporting somebody because they are your worship idol is bad. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/27/21 10:40:39 AM #98:	joe40001 posted... No it does serve a purpose: Supporting somebody because you agree with their policies is good, supporting somebody because they are your worship idol is bad. Yeah.... And Trump was 98% the latter AOC is 2% the latter Why are you even trying to pretend otherwise Where's AOC riot of people in their underwear trying to kill Ted Cruz and install solar panels on Trump Tower it's just embarrassing to pretend it's the same thing when its just factually not --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:951143182] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>joe40001 posted... </cite> <quote>No it does serve a purpose: Supporting somebody because you agree with their policies is good, supporting somebody because they are your worship idol is bad.</quote>Yeah.... And Trump was 98% the latter AOC is 2% the latter Why are you even trying to pretend otherwise Where's AOC riot of people in their underwear trying to kill Ted Cruz and install solar panels on Trump Tower it's just embarrassing to pretend it's the same thing when its just factually not </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
t5yvxc 02/27/21 2:00:20 PM #99:	UnfairRepresent posted... Yeah.... And Trump was 98% the latter AOC is 2% the latter And that's where I would disagree. Folks constantly calling her the "perfect woman" and "my queen" along with other cult pet names and fetishes, going on defensive at slightest notion of criticism of the person, constantly showering with praise and propping on a pedestal. These are all cult like behavior. There is a point in making comparisons regardless if one is far worse. <cite>t5yvxc posted [p:951148918] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah.... And Trump was 98% the latter AOC is 2% the latter </quote>And that's where I would disagree. Folks constantly calling her the "perfect woman" and "my queen" along with other cult pet names and fetishes, going on defensive at slightest notion of criticism of the person, constantly showering with praise and propping on a pedestal. These are all cult like behavior. There is a point in making comparisons regardless if one is far worse. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/27/21 2:17:59 PM #101:	t5yvxc posted... Folks constantly calling her the "perfect woman" and "my queen" along with other cult pet names and fetishes, going on defensive at slightest notion of criticism of the person, constantly showering with praise and propping on a pedestal. These are all cult like behavior. No those are memes Trumps supporters went beyond memes, they actually believed this shit and killed for it --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:951149459] in AOC BODIES... [t:79314427]...</cite> <quote>t5yvxc posted... </cite> <quote>Folks constantly calling her the "perfect woman" and "my queen" along with other cult pet names and fetishes, going on defensive at slightest notion of criticism of the person, constantly showering with praise and propping on a pedestal. These are all cult like behavior.</quote>No those are memes Trumps supporters went beyond memes, they actually believed this shit and killed for it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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