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IShall_Run_Amok 02/22/21 7:28:37 PM #52:	If he is real, he deserves to feel bad, but he probably isnt. --- I'm here live. Its...I'm not a cat. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:950960888] in Whelp, i j... [t:79308424]...</cite> <quote>If he is real, he deserves to feel bad, but he probably isnt. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/22/21 7:30:25 PM #53:	UnfairRepresent posted... Not really? Since he's claiming Prayer has value but writing a letter doesn't even though it's the same practice fundamentally. His logic is that "While infinitesimal, maybe God will listen to a prayer. It's a hyperliterally non-zero, just 0.0(1x10 12)1% When if you're using that logic, literally any action has a non-zero chance of a hypothetical utterly ridiclous unsubstantiated result, the probability is just so comically low that for all intents and purposes, it's zero. There's a non zero % chance that you will be on Mars in 6 minutes. It's just that the chance is so comically close to zero that it is zero by any reasonable definition. I believe there's a deep truth embedded in your approach, if you push it further. I am fond of "non-zero chance" as a tool. I believe if you use it to its full potential you will end up agreeing with that other guy lol. For example, the world's religions have differences, right? We've been sold those differences by the billionaire class in order to fight amongst ourselves so that worker solidarity gets stunted. What if I told you that we should pay more attention to what every culture on earth was implying, though? If you strip away the cultural embellishments related to language, or diet, or music, or just any cultural thing that can influence a worldview...all the main religions agree. There's a non-zero chance that they fundamentally agree because they accurately captured something that happened in the ancient world. Etc. :) --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:950960940] in Whelp, i j... [t:79308424]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Not really? Since he's claiming Prayer has value but writing a letter doesn't even though it's the same practice fundamentally. His logic is that "While infinitesimal, maybe God will listen to a prayer. It's a hyperliterally non-zero, just 0.0(1x10 12)1% When if you're using that logic, literally any action has a non-zero chance of a hypothetical utterly ridiclous unsubstantiated result, the probability is just so comically low that for all intents and purposes, it's zero. There's a non zero % chance that you will be on Mars in 6 minutes. It's just that the chance is so comically close to zero that it is zero by any reasonable definition.</quote> I believe there's a deep truth embedded in your approach, if you push it further. I am fond of "non-zero chance" as a tool. I believe if you use it to its full potential you will end up agreeing with that other guy lol. For example, the world's religions have differences, right? We've been sold those differences by the billionaire class in order to fight amongst ourselves so that worker solidarity gets stunted. What if I told you that we should pay more attention to what every culture on earth was implying, though? If you strip away the cultural embellishments related to language, or diet, or music, or just any cultural thing that can influence a worldview...all the main religions agree. There's a non-zero chance that they fundamentally agree because they accurately captured something that happened in the ancient world. Etc. :) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestoff 02/22/21 7:38:46 PM #54:	darkmaian23 posted... There is no communication and if God wants something specific of people, we have no idea what it is. If he wanted anything or cared about what we thought, wouldn't there be a better way? I remember when I was in grade school (it was when I was a devout Southern Baptist) I asked the question, "If God is all knowing and omnipotent, why does he use a book to communicate his message? It always seems like it is always being taken out of context by people (it was during one of our Sunday teachings about how the Catholic Church corrupted the bible)." Obviously my teacher couldn't answer it other than "He works in mysterious ways." It always seems to be the default response when they can't answer a question lol. --- DI MOLTO! <cite>Prestoff posted [p:950961207] in Whelp, i j... [t:79308424]...</cite> <quote>darkmaian23 posted... </cite> <quote>There is no communication and if God wants something specific of people, we have no idea what it is. If he wanted anything or cared about what we thought, wouldn't there be a better way?</quote> I remember when I was in grade school (it was when I was a devout Southern Baptist) I asked the question, "If God is all knowing and omnipotent, why does he use a book to communicate his message? It always seems like it is always being taken out of context by people (it was during one of our Sunday teachings about how the Catholic Church corrupted the bible)." Obviously my teacher couldn't answer it other than "He works in mysterious ways." It always seems to be the default response when they can't answer a question lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/22/21 7:40:18 PM #55:	The reason deities would communicate through books is that when a species is at its most vulnerable to extinction, its only methods of recording knowledge are through the written and verbalized word. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:950961257] in Whelp, i j... [t:79308424]...</cite> <quote>The reason deities would communicate through books is that when a species is at its most vulnerable to extinction, its only methods of recording knowledge are through the written and verbalized word. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RenescoStCewl 02/22/21 8:18:14 PM #56:	pure_temper posted... The reason deities would communicate through books is that when a species is at its most vulnerable to extinction, its only methods of recording knowledge are through the written and verbalized word. They could always actually show up and talk to us. Apparently that's too much to ask for. --- sTrOM ThuRmONd!!! <cite>RenescoStCewl posted [p:950962490] in Whelp, i j... [t:79308424]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>The reason deities would communicate through books is that when a species is at its most vulnerable to extinction, its only methods of recording knowledge are through the written and verbalized word.</quote>They could always actually show up and talk to us. Apparently that's too much to ask for. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/22/21 8:35:59 PM #57:	RenescoStCewl posted... They could always actually show up and talk to us. Apparently that's too much to ask for. That is what all the holy books of the world describe as having happened. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:950963040] in Whelp, i j... [t:79308424]...</cite> <quote>RenescoStCewl posted... </cite> <quote>They could always actually show up and talk to us. Apparently that's too much to ask for.</quote> That is what all the holy books of the world describe as having happened. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 02/22/21 9:32:19 PM #58:	pure_temper posted... What if I told you that we should pay more attention to what every culture on earth was implying, though? If you strip away the cultural embellishments related to language, or diet, or music, or just any cultural thing that can influence a worldview...all the main religions agree. What is it you believe all the main religions agree on? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:950964774] in Whelp, i j... [t:79308424]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote> What if I told you that we should pay more attention to what every culture on earth was implying, though? If you strip away the cultural embellishments related to language, or diet, or music, or just any cultural thing that can influence a worldview...all the main religions agree. </quote> What is it you believe all the main religions agree on? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/22/21 9:33:35 PM #59:	Ruvan22 posted... What is it you believe all the main religions agree on? That god(s) played a role in making sure we didn't go extinct in antiquity. Most likely back when we were small enough and vulnerable enough (in number) to get wiped out by extinction-level events. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:950964810] in Whelp, i j... [t:79308424]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>What is it you believe all the main religions agree on?</quote> That god(s) played a role in making sure we didn't go extinct in antiquity. Most likely back when we were small enough and vulnerable enough (in number) to get wiped out by extinction-level events. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 02/22/21 9:41:49 PM #60:	pure_temper posted... That god(s) played a role in making sure we didn't go extinct in antiquity. Most likely back when we were small enough and vulnerable enough (in number) to get wiped out by extinction-level events. By providing fire? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:950965023] in Whelp, i j... [t:79308424]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>That god(s) played a role in making sure we didn't go extinct in antiquity. Most likely back when we were small enough and vulnerable enough (in number) to get wiped out by extinction-level events.</quote> By providing fire? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/22/21 9:52:07 PM #61:	Ruvan22 posted... By providing fire? Maybe. Even other things, like if we take the Tower of Babel story and are charitable with it - maybe the real moral of the story is that the earliest humans were accidentally starting to assemble civilization over the site of an active supervolcano. And if the hub of civilization was there, we'd have not been here right now. Etc. There are thousands of such examples we could pick through from the world's religious texts in a journey towards understanding how this may have happened. It's all about probability though - the only way we could have a smoking gun is if we ever encounter any of them in the future. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:950965365] in Whelp, i j... [t:79308424]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>By providing fire?</quote> Maybe. Even other things, like if we take the Tower of Babel story and are charitable with it - maybe the real moral of the story is that the earliest humans were accidentally starting to assemble civilization over the site of an active supervolcano. And if the hub of civilization was there, we'd have not been here right now. Etc. There are thousands of such examples we could pick through from the world's religious texts in a journey towards understanding how this may have happened. It's all about probability though - the only way we could have a smoking gun is if we ever encounter any of them in the future. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 02/22/21 10:09:46 PM #62:	pure_temper posted... Maybe. Even other things, like if we take the Tower of Babel story and are charitable with it - maybe the real moral of the story is that the earliest humans were accidentally starting to assemble civilization over the site of an active supervolcano. And if the hub of civilization was there, we'd have not been here right now. Etc. There are thousands of such examples we could pick through from the world's religious texts in a journey towards understanding how this may have happened. It's all about probability though - the only way we could have a smoking gun is if we ever encounter any of them in the future. But is the Tower of Babel shared across Hinduism, Buddhism, etc? Let me make sure I understand your argument. Is it "All major religions share some common stories/events, and therefore it likely happened that way"? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:950965881] in Whelp, i j... [t:79308424]...</cite> <quote>pure_temper posted... </cite> <quote>Maybe. Even other things, like if we take the Tower of Babel story and are charitable with it - maybe the real moral of the story is that the earliest humans were accidentally starting to assemble civilization over the site of an active supervolcano. And if the hub of civilization was there, we'd have not been here right now. Etc. There are thousands of such examples we could pick through from the world's religious texts in a journey towards understanding how this may have happened. It's all about probability though - the only way we could have a smoking gun is if we ever encounter any of them in the future.</quote> But is the Tower of Babel shared across Hinduism, Buddhism, etc? Let me make sure I understand your argument. Is it "All major religions share some common stories/events, and therefore it likely happened that way"? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pure_temper 02/22/21 11:14:37 PM #64:	Ruvan22 posted... But is the Tower of Babel shared across Hinduism, Buddhism, etc? Let me make sure I understand your argument. Is it "All major religions share some common stories/events, and therefore it likely happened that way"? This specific story may not be, I don't remember. It's been years since I read the texts in earnest. But I do recall that there are parallels like that, the most notable one I remember being the Great Flood or Noah's Ark or variations of it. So yes, that's a sufficiently reasonable summary of my view. I used to believe in Noah's Ark the way a child would - then I thought that it's bullshit. Now I think that if so many disparate cultures had legends around a great flood, that there must have been an element of truth to that. There's a non-zero probability that the flood would've wiped us out and we needed a life raft of sorts. Extinction-level event, basically. --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:950967705] in Whelp, i j... [t:79308424]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>But is the Tower of Babel shared across Hinduism, Buddhism, etc? Let me make sure I understand your argument. Is it "All major religions share some common stories/events, and therefore it likely happened that way"?</quote> This specific story may not be, I don't remember. It's been years since I read the texts in earnest. But I do recall that there are parallels like that, the most notable one I remember being the Great Flood or Noah's Ark or variations of it. So yes, that's a sufficiently reasonable summary of my view. I used to believe in Noah's Ark the way a child would - then I thought that it's bullshit. Now I think that if so many disparate cultures had legends around a great flood, that there must have been an element of truth to that. There's a non-zero probability that the flood would've wiped us out and we needed a life raft of sorts. Extinction-level event, basically. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nfearurspecimn 02/22/21 11:15:51 PM #65:	rip Welp, i at the @Christian_RULES went to 97 upsetties --- Wake up. You have to wake up. currently a preta/hungry ghost Dai Grepher: I was wrong. My entire theory is incorrect. Zero Mission IS a remake of Metroid. <cite>nfearurspecimn posted [p:950967738] in Whelp, i j... [t:79308424]...</cite> <quote>rip Welp, i at the @Christian_RULES went to 97 upsetties </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Christian RULES 02/22/21 11:19:56 PM #66:	nfearurspecimn posted... rip Welp, i at the @Christian_RULES went to 97 upsetties LMAOOOO --- RIP Man Fan - Nine Years Strong - https://youtu.be/O8swXwLlgAI TRUMP 2024EVER - Promises Made! Promises Kept! #MAGA <cite>Christian RULES posted [p:950967839] in Whelp, i j... [t:79308424]...</cite> <quote>nfearurspecimn posted... </cite> <quote>rip Welp, i at the @Christian_RULES went to 97 upsetties</quote> LMAOOOO </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pure_temper 02/22/21 11:20:29 PM #67:	I feel like I should also offer commentary on the WHY of post #64. Why should we bother with this approach? What is the utility of it? The simple truth is that we do not have time as a species to wait for 8 billion people to convert, deconvert, reconvert, and figure out this shit. So we need to develop an apologetic of the future, or an approach for unifying all people along socioeconomic lines. So we can be united on the stuff that actually matters. By reasoning about this stuff the way I am practicing, I believe we can eventually provide a unifying apologetic to people that unites them along socioeconomic lines and shows people that their religions are ultimately in coexistence with one another. Once we've elevated all humans and taken care of everyone's needs with automation, we can just pick whatever interpretation of God is most appropriate for us as individuals. Can share more details if anyone is curious, but this is just a general explanation of the "why" --- proudclad LAYIN DOWN THE SMACK - Error1355 Christian Marxism actually makes sense. (Islamic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc too!) <cite>pure_temper posted [p:950967852] in Whelp, i j... [t:79308424]...</cite> <quote>I feel like I should also offer commentary on the WHY of post #64. Why should we bother with this approach? What is the utility of it? The simple truth is that we do not have time as a species to wait for 8 billion people to convert, deconvert, reconvert, and figure out this shit. So we need to develop an apologetic of the future, or an approach for unifying all people along socioeconomic lines. So we can be united on the stuff that actually matters. By reasoning about this stuff the way I am practicing, I believe we can eventually provide a unifying apologetic to people that unites them along socioeconomic lines and shows people that their religions are ultimately in coexistence with one another. Once we've elevated all humans and taken care of everyone's needs with automation, we can just pick whatever interpretation of God is most appropriate for us as individuals. Can share more details if anyone is curious, but this is just a general explanation of the "why" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/23/21 12:01:10 AM #68:	JACKBUTTMOMMY posted... We encroached too much on the natural world Da fuck does that even mean? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:950968798] in Whelp, i j... [t:79308424]...</cite> <quote>JACKBUTTMOMMY posted... </cite> <quote>We encroached too much on the natural world</quote>Da fuck does that even mean? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 02/23/21 10:12:55 AM #70:	Wait, if Covid disappears doesn't that checkmate athiests because it got the letter? <cite>WingsOfGood posted [p:950978675] in Whelp, i j... [t:79308424]...</cite> <quote>Wait, if Covid disappears doesn't that checkmate athiests because it got the letter? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/23/21 6:28:32 PM #71:	WingsOfGood posted... Wait, if Covid disappears doesn't that checkmate athiests because it got the letter? Not really? There's plenty of unexplained stuff we don't understand Going"therefore God" is a leap --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:950996603] in Whelp, i j... [t:79308424]...</cite> <quote>WingsOfGood posted... </cite> <quote>Wait, if Covid disappears doesn't that checkmate athiests because it got the letter?</quote>Not really? There's plenty of unexplained stuff we don't understand Going"therefore God" is a leap </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Notti 02/25/21 4:40:19 AM #72:	ImmatureContent posted... How do you know that Covid isn't a deity masquerading as a virus? An all powerful being could trick us into thinking it was something more mundane. So, it is not a 0% chance, but rather an infinitesimally small chance. The same as any other theory involving gods. It's not so out of the question. Classically, people often understood disease as evil spirits/demons/curses. There is also the idea of Gaia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia#Interpretations Taken together the idea of viruses as a natural self defense system of the Earth by some sort of spirit that can be pleaded to, is a possibility --- https://youtube.com/TheYoungTurks/videos Bernie>Biden>poo>Trump https://RightWingWatch.org https://reddit.com/r/BreadTube https://fb.me/OccupyDemocrats <cite>Notti posted [p:951050272] in Whelp, i j... [t:79308424]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImmatureContent posted...</cite> <quote> How do you know that Covid isn't a deity masquerading as a virus? An all powerful being could trick us into thinking it was something more mundane. So, it is not a 0% chance, but rather an infinitesimally small chance. The same as any other theory involving gods. </quote> It's not so out of the question. Classically, people often understood disease as evil spirits/demons/curses. There is also the idea of Gaia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia#Interpretations Taken together the idea of viruses as a natural self defense system of the Earth by some sort of spirit that can be pleaded to, is a possibility</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ilishe 02/25/21 4:46:33 AM #73:	People getting angry over jokes :/ --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ <cite>Ilishe posted [p:951050360] in Whelp, i j... [t:79308424]...</cite> <quote>People getting angry over jokes :/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 02/25/21 10:40:22 PM #74:	Ilishe posted... People getting angry over jokes :/ Wasn't even intended as a joke, just an idle thought --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:951086111] in Whelp, i j... [t:79308424]...</cite> <quote>Ilishe posted... </cite> <quote>People getting angry over jokes :/</quote>Wasn't even intended as a joke, just an idle thought </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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