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Shablagoo 02/14/21 5:18:55 PM #1:	Amazon agreed on Tuesday to pay $62 million to the Federal Trade Commission to settle charges that it withheld tips to delivery drivers over a two-and-a-half year period, in a case that highlights the federal governments increased interest in gig-economy workers. The F.T.C. said in an announcementthat Amazon had promised its Flex delivery drivers that they would receive 100 percent of all customers tips. But starting in 2016, the F.T.C. said, Amazon secretly lowered the hourly delivery wages, which were advertised at $18 to $25, and tried to mask the smaller wages by using customer tips to cover for the smaller hourly pay. The net effect was that the contract workers received smaller overall take-home pay, the agency said. The practice wasnt disclosed to drivers but the Flex drivers noticed the compensation reductions and began to complain. Amazon stopped the practice in 2019, after it became aware of the F.T.C.s investigation, the agency said. The company settled without admitting wrongdoing. https://web.archive.org/web/20210202201351/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/02/business/amazon-tips.html --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:950638702] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>Amazon agreed on Tuesday to pay $62 million to the Federal Trade Commission to settle charges that it withheld tips to delivery drivers over a two-and-a-half year period, in a case that highlights the federal governments increased interest in gig-economy workers. The F.T.C. said in an announcementthat Amazon had promised its Flex delivery drivers that they would receive 100 percent of all customers tips. But starting in 2016, the F.T.C. said, Amazon secretly lowered the hourly delivery wages, which were advertised at $18 to $25, and tried to mask the smaller wages by using customer tips to cover for the smaller hourly pay. The net effect was that the contract workers received smaller overall take-home pay, the agency said. The practice wasnt disclosed to drivers but the Flex drivers noticed the compensation reductions and began to complain. Amazon stopped the practice in 2019, after it became aware of the F.T.C.s investigation, the agency said. The company settled without admitting wrongdoing. https://web.archive.org/web/20210202201351/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/02/business/amazon-tips.html </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/14/21 5:19:20 PM #2:	You're supposed to tip the amazon driver? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:950638718] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>You're supposed to tip the amazon driver? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Perfectinsanity 02/14/21 5:21:13 PM #3:	I don't believe that anyone has ever tipped an Amazon driver --- Those who live are those who fight. <cite>Perfectinsanity posted [p:950638771] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>I don't believe that anyone has ever tipped an Amazon driver </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AzNDarkSamurai 02/14/21 5:21:52 PM #4:	Questionmarktarius posted... You're supposed to tip the amazon driver? yeah the FLEX ones that deliver groceries --- Pinoy Pride, 1988 - the day I die! <cite>AzNDarkSamurai posted [p:950638791] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>You're supposed to tip the amazon driver?</quote> yeah the FLEX ones that deliver groceries </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 02/14/21 5:22:08 PM #5:	Questionmarktarius posted... You're supposed to tip the amazon driver? This is their Flex drivers, basically Amazons answer to DoorDash or other delivery apps. Though theyll also deliver groceries, gifts, and stuff not just take-out. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:950638801] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>You're supposed to tip the amazon driver?</quote> This is their Flex drivers, basically Amazons answer to DoorDash or other delivery apps. Though theyll also deliver groceries, gifts, and stuff not just take-out. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kingbuffet 02/14/21 5:25:52 PM #6:	Such an evil corporation <cite>Kingbuffet posted [p:950638916] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>Such an evil corporation </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kingbuffet 02/14/21 5:27:12 PM #7:	if you ever ordered Fresh then you yes you should tip your driver <cite>Kingbuffet posted [p:950638955] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>if you ever ordered Fresh then you yes you should tip your driver </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trumble 02/15/21 12:38:51 PM #8:	As a non-American it's still really weird to see tipping considered a "you must do this" rather than a "bonus for really good service". --- I was gonna write a funny sig, but then I got... <cite>Trumble posted [p:950664359] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>As a non-American it's still really weird to see tipping considered a "you must do this" rather than a "bonus for really good service". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jagr_68 02/15/21 12:41:31 PM #9:	Kingbuffet posted... if you ever ordered Fresh then you yes you should tip your driver Never ordered groceries before but this makes sense. I would've thought the tip would be displayed at checkout? --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://media.giphy.com/media/WvQHBYW0q4TuxdAg61/giphy.gif https://psnprofiles.com/Jaromiroquai68 <cite>Jagr_68 posted [p:950664452] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>Kingbuffet posted... </cite> <quote>if you ever ordered Fresh then you yes you should tip your driver</quote> Never ordered groceries before but this makes sense. I would've thought the tip would be displayed at checkout? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 02/15/21 12:43:24 PM #10:	Kingbuffet posted... if you ever ordered Fresh then you yes you should tip your driver i can agree with that. at least 10% or more of the order. cant be a cheapie. --- Explorers In The Further Regions Of Experience, demons to some, Angels To Others: Pinhead <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:950664517] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>Kingbuffet posted...</cite> <quote>if you ever ordered Fresh then you yes you should tip your driver</quote> i can agree with that. at least 10% or more of the order. cant be a cheapie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenlaar 02/15/21 12:43:35 PM #11:	That's not "stealing tips," it's factoring tips into pay. We don't consider it "stealing tips" when restaurants pay wait staff less because they get tips. <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:950664523] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>That's not "stealing tips," it's factoring tips into pay. We don't consider it "stealing tips" when restaurants pay wait staff less because they get tips. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Robot2600 02/15/21 12:44:09 PM #13:	Yea, essentially they lowered the workers' pay when they saw they made a lot of tips. The workers were still getting 18-25 dollars, but with tips should have been making 25-30 dollars (or something like that). <cite>Robot2600 posted [p:950664543] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>Yea, essentially they lowered the workers' pay when they saw they made a lot of tips. The workers were still getting 18-25 dollars, but with tips should have been making 25-30 dollars (or something like that). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BilalPowell 02/15/21 12:44:32 PM #14:	Amazon has delivery drivers? Thought they just use FedEx or UPS. --- Former #1 Birmingham Iron Fan. RIP AAF <cite>BilalPowell posted [p:950664555] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>Amazon has delivery drivers? Thought they just use FedEx or UPS. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 02/15/21 12:45:21 PM #15:	BilalPowell posted... Amazon has delivery drivers? Thought they just use FedEx or UPS. Lol <cite>Axiom posted [p:950664581] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>BilalPowell posted... </cite> <quote>Amazon has delivery drivers? Thought they just use FedEx or UPS.</quote>Lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 02/15/21 12:45:40 PM #16:	BilalPowell posted... Amazon has delivery drivers? yes. it's a blue truck they drop stuff off like UPS. i saw one once while walking my dog. may find em in larger city's more often. --- Explorers In The Further Regions Of Experience, demons to some, Angels To Others: Pinhead <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:950664596] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>BilalPowell posted...</cite> <quote>Amazon has delivery drivers?</quote> yes. it's a blue truck they drop stuff off like UPS. i saw one once while walking my dog. may find em in larger city's more often.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aki_Sora 02/15/21 12:50:06 PM #17:	Tipping culture need to die Just pay the minimum wage --- This is GameFAQs and stating an opinion is a declaration of WAR! https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561199023744394/ <cite>Aki_Sora posted [p:950664740] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>Tipping culture need to die Just pay the minimum wage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 02/15/21 12:51:47 PM #18:	Aki_Sora posted... Tipping culture need to die Just pay the minimum wage Lmao. Tipping culture needs to die and just pay minimum wage in the same post. I tip my hat to you sir for the dumbest post in a sea of stupidity <cite>Axiom posted [p:950664786] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>Aki_Sora posted... </cite> <quote>Tipping culture need to die Just pay the minimum wage</quote>Lmao. Tipping culture needs to die and just pay minimum wage in the same post. I tip my hat to you sir for the dumbest post in a sea of stupidity </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 02/15/21 12:52:17 PM #19:	Tenlaar posted... That's not "stealing tips," it's factoring tips into pay. We don't consider it "stealing tips" when restaurants pay wait staff less because they get tips. K well it wasnt what was agreed upon in this relationship between Amazon and its drivers which is why the Federal Trade Commission stepped in. In other words, shut the fuck up. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:950664809] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>Tenlaar posted... </cite> <quote>That's not "stealing tips," it's factoring tips into pay. We don't consider it "stealing tips" when restaurants pay wait staff less because they get tips.</quote> K well it wasnt what was agreed upon in this relationship between Amazon and its drivers which is why the Federal Trade Commission stepped in. In other words, shut the fuck up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BobLoblaw_ 02/15/21 12:54:27 PM #20:	so is that fine money going to the workers? and is anyone going to prison? --- http://bob-loblaws-law-blog.blogspot.com/ <cite>BobLoblaw_ posted [p:950664879] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>so is that fine money going to the workers? and is anyone going to prison? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImmatureContent 02/15/21 12:54:34 PM #21:	Amazon does an incredibly shitty thing and CE is more focused on talking about tipping practices. smh --- NinjaMaster <cite>ImmatureContent posted [p:950664883] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>Amazon does an incredibly shitty thing and CE is more focused on talking about tipping practices. smh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aki_Sora 02/15/21 12:55:02 PM #22:	Axiom posted... Lmao. Tipping culture needs to die and just pay minimum wage in the same post. I tip my hat to you sir for the dumbest post in a sea of stupidity Why it is dumb? I non-American I live in asia country that don't have does shitty tips culture. All company should paid their worker salary with minimum wage --- This is GameFAQs and stating an opinion is a declaration of WAR! https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561199023744394/ <cite>Aki_Sora posted [p:950664896] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>Axiom posted...</cite> <quote> Lmao. Tipping culture needs to die and just pay minimum wage in the same post. I tip my hat to you sir for the dumbest post in a sea of stupidity </quote> Why it is dumb? I non-American I live in asia country that don't have does shitty tips culture. All company should paid their worker salary with minimum wage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
argonautweakend 02/15/21 12:58:32 PM #23:	If you pay tipped workers a minimum wage salary in the US, and get rid of tips, most tipped workers will just be making less money, in some cases FAR less money, depending on where you live and the minimum wage in that area. <cite>argonautweakend posted [p:950665014] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>If you pay tipped workers a minimum wage salary in the US, and get rid of tips, most tipped workers will just be making less money, in some cases FAR less money, depending on where you live and the minimum wage in that area. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axiom 02/15/21 12:58:57 PM #24:	Because paying minimum wage is the reason they need tips. There is no expense account for the gas or the wear caused on the owners car and that shit adds up quick which is where tips come in <cite>Axiom posted [p:950665031] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>Because paying minimum wage is the reason they need tips. There is no expense account for the gas or the wear caused on the owners car and that shit adds up quick which is where tips come in </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aki_Sora 02/15/21 1:01:32 PM #25:	argonautweakend posted... If you pay tipped workers a minimum wage salary in the US, and get rid of tips, most tipped workers will just be making less money, in some cases FAR less money, depending on where you live and the minimum wage in that area. Axiom posted... Because paying minimum wage is the reason they need tips. There is no expense account for the gas or the wear caused on the owners car and that shit adds up quick which is where tips come in So America have shitty minimum wage that it really need tips to pay their worker --- This is GameFAQs and stating an opinion is a declaration of WAR! https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561199023744394/ <cite>Aki_Sora posted [p:950665117] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>argonautweakend posted...</cite> <quote>If you pay tipped workers a minimum wage salary in the US, and get rid of tips, most tipped workers will just be making less money, in some cases FAR less money, depending on where you live and the minimum wage in that area. </quote> Axiom posted...</cite> <quote>Because paying minimum wage is the reason they need tips. There is no expense account for the gas or the wear caused on the owners car and that shit adds up quick which is where tips come in </quote> So America have shitty minimum wage that it really need tips to pay their worker</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 02/15/21 1:05:13 PM #26:	Aki_Sora posted... So America have shitty minimum wage that it really need tips money to pay their worker. I thought America first world country have better minimum wage than my country but it not Yeah minimum wage in America is not a livable wage. It is about 30% of what it should be. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:950665230] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>Aki_Sora posted... </cite> <quote>So America have shitty minimum wage that it really need tips money to pay their worker. I thought America first world country have better minimum wage than my country but it not</quote> Yeah minimum wage in America is not a livable wage. It is about 30% of what it should be. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aki_Sora 02/15/21 1:06:34 PM #27:	Shablagoo posted... Yeah minimum wage in America is not a livable wage. It is about 30% of what it should be. Biden should rise the minimum wage paid --- This is GameFAQs and stating an opinion is a declaration of WAR! https://store.steampowered.com/wishlist/profiles/76561199023744394/ <cite>Aki_Sora posted [p:950665284] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted...</cite> <quote> Yeah minimum wage in America is not a livable wage. It is about 30% of what it should be. </quote> Biden should rise the minimum wage paid</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenlaar 02/15/21 1:06:44 PM #28:	Shablagoo posted... K well it wasnt what was agreed upon in this relationship between Amazon and its drivers which is why the Federal Trade Commission stepped in. In other words, shut the fuck up. No, because what they got in trouble for was not stealing tips but changing things to factor tips into pay without giving the drivers a chance to agree to it. You shut the fuck up. <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:950665289] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>K well it wasnt what was agreed upon in this relationship between Amazon and its drivers which is why the Federal Trade Commission stepped in. In other words, shut the fuck up.</quote>No, because what they got in trouble for was not stealing tips but changing things to factor tips into pay without giving the drivers a chance to agree to it. You shut the fuck up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KStateKing17 02/15/21 1:09:29 PM #29:	Aki_Sora posted... So America have shitty minimum wage that it really need tips money to pay their worker. I thought America first world country have better minimum wage than my country but it not In many cases tipped workers make less than minimum wage from their employer. The tips are what the workers try for and if they don't make the equivalent of the minimum wage from tips, the employer usually provides the difference. One of my previous jobs was in a restaurant. I got paid over $2 an hour by the restaurant and made the rest in tips. --- The 17th King of the State of K <cite>KStateKing17 posted [p:950665386] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>Aki_Sora posted... </cite> <quote>So America have shitty minimum wage that it really need tips money to pay their worker. I thought America first world country have better minimum wage than my country but it not</quote>In many cases tipped workers make less than minimum wage from their employer. The tips are what the workers try for and if they don't make the equivalent of the minimum wage from tips, the employer usually provides the difference. One of my previous jobs was in a restaurant. I got paid over $2 an hour by the restaurant and made the rest in tips. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 02/15/21 1:10:15 PM #30:	Tenlaar posted... No, because what they got in trouble for was not stealing tips but changing things to factor tips into pay without giving the drivers a chance to agree to it. You shut the fuck up. Which is what I just said. Learn to read and shut the fuck up. Aki_Sora posted... Biden should rise the minimum wage paid Agreed, it should be close to $25. Right now the big number being floated around is $15, but its not nearly enough. Well take it over nothing, though, of course. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:950665407] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>Tenlaar posted... </cite> <quote>No, because what they got in trouble for was not stealing tips but changing things to factor tips into pay without giving the drivers a chance to agree to it. You shut the fuck up.</quote> Which is what I just said. Learn to read and shut the fuck up. Aki_Sora posted... </cite> <quote>Biden should rise the minimum wage paid</quote> Agreed, it should be close to $25. Right now the big number being floated around is $15, but its not nearly enough. Well take it over nothing, though, of course. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
berlyman101 02/15/21 1:13:42 PM #31:	I don't get why we should have to tip Amazon's delivery drivers but not UPS. Amazon should just pay them more and charge us the difference. Same for every tipping job, actually. --- http://www.lukesurl.com/comics/2010-02-24-determinism.png <cite>berlyman101 posted [p:950665503] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>I don't get why we should have to tip Amazon's delivery drivers but not UPS. Amazon should just pay them more and charge us the difference. Same for every tipping job, actually. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MuayThai85 02/15/21 1:16:39 PM #32:	Shablagoo posted... Which is what I just said. Learn to read and shut the fuck up. Agreed, it should be close to $25. Right now the big number being floated around is $15, but its not nearly enough. Well take it over nothing, though, of course. Lol what the fuck? $25/hout should be minimum wage? How much have you smoked today. Why would someone become a paramedic for example when they could make just as much working fast food or retail? I work as a driver/mover right now. Do you think I'd be doing this job if I made the same amount as a high schooler working at McDonald's? If the minimum wage is increased to $25/hour, then other more specialized jobs would need to increase salaries. Then prices rise and that $25/hour is worth fuck all. --- How can one person post so much stupid s***? <cite>MuayThai85 posted [p:950665595] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Which is what I just said. Learn to read and shut the fuck up. Agreed, it should be close to $25. Right now the big number being floated around is $15, but its not nearly enough. Well take it over nothing, though, of course.</quote> Lol what the fuck? $25/hout should be minimum wage? How much have you smoked today. Why would someone become a paramedic for example when they could make just as much working fast food or retail? I work as a driver/mover right now. Do you think I'd be doing this job if I made the same amount as a high schooler working at McDonald's? If the minimum wage is increased to $25/hour, then other more specialized jobs would need to increase salaries. Then prices rise and that $25/hour is worth fuck all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MuayThai85 02/15/21 1:22:03 PM #33:	berlyman101 posted... I don't get why we should have to tip Amazon's delivery drivers but not UPS. Amazon should just pay them more and charge us the difference. Same for every tipping job, actually. UPS isn't delivering groceries. This is about flex drivers who do regular deliveries of amazon products but also things like groceries. All while they are using their own vehicles. They need to pay for their own gas, insurance, upkeep, etc. It's like driving for skipthedishes or doordash. If people didn't tip, you would practically make nothing because the base pay is so low. If 2 people who live 5 miles away don't tip and their orders are one after the other, you would make about $8/hour and that's before factoring in gas and everything else. --- How can one person post so much stupid s***? <cite>MuayThai85 posted [p:950665745] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>berlyman101 posted... </cite> <quote>I don't get why we should have to tip Amazon's delivery drivers but not UPS. Amazon should just pay them more and charge us the difference. Same for every tipping job, actually.</quote>UPS isn't delivering groceries. This is about flex drivers who do regular deliveries of amazon products but also things like groceries. All while they are using their own vehicles. They need to pay for their own gas, insurance, upkeep, etc. It's like driving for skipthedishes or doordash. If people didn't tip, you would practically make nothing because the base pay is so low. If 2 people who live 5 miles away don't tip and their orders are one after the other, you would make about $8/hour and that's before factoring in gas and everything else. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 02/15/21 1:28:44 PM #34:	MuayThai85 posted... Lol what the fuck? $25/hout should be minimum wage? How much have you smoked today. Why would someone become a paramedic for example when they could make just as much working fast food or retail? I work as a driver/mover right now. Do you think I'd be doing this job if I made the same amount as a high schooler working at McDonald's? If the minimum wage is increased to $25/hour, then other more specialized jobs would need to increase salaries. Then prices rise and that $25/hour is worth fuck all. This isnt about any of that. Its simply mathematically what the minimum wage should be based on the rise in production over the last few decades. And, minimum wage increases have not been shown to raise prices significantly. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:950665967] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>MuayThai85 posted... </cite> <quote>Lol what the fuck? $25/hout should be minimum wage? How much have you smoked today. Why would someone become a paramedic for example when they could make just as much working fast food or retail? I work as a driver/mover right now. Do you think I'd be doing this job if I made the same amount as a high schooler working at McDonald's? If the minimum wage is increased to $25/hour, then other more specialized jobs would need to increase salaries. Then prices rise and that $25/hour is worth fuck all.</quote> This isnt about any of that. Its simply mathematically what the minimum wage should be based on the rise in production over the last few decades. And, minimum wage increases have not been shown to raise prices significantly. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MuayThai85 02/15/21 1:37:39 PM #35:	Shablagoo posted... This isnt about any of that. Its simply mathematically what the minimum wage should be based on the rise in production over the last few decades. And, minimum wage increases have not been shown to raise prices significantly. If said minimum wage is more than double, then yes it would because the increased buying power will lead to increased prices due to a little thing known as supply and demand. Do you think the price of your meal at a restaurant will stay the same when said restaurants already operates on a 10% profit margin (roughly) are now paying 2.5x more for their staff (that's if you remove tipping and just add it into the price of the meal)? A vast majority of businesses would not be able to afford to keep their doors open if the minimum wage was raised to $25... --- How can one person post so much stupid s***? <cite>MuayThai85 posted [p:950666277] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>This isnt about any of that. Its simply mathematically what the minimum wage should be based on the rise in production over the last few decades. And, minimum wage increases have not been shown to raise prices significantly.</quote>If said minimum wage is more than double, then yes it would because the increased buying power will lead to increased prices due to a little thing known as supply and demand. Do you think the price of your meal at a restaurant will stay the same when said restaurants already operates on a 10% profit margin (roughly) are now paying 2.5x more for their staff (that's if you remove tipping and just add it into the price of the meal)? A vast majority of businesses would not be able to afford to keep their doors open if the minimum wage was raised to $25... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
berlyman101 02/15/21 1:38:10 PM #36:	all right well I'm glad Amazon got caught for this. --- http://www.lukesurl.com/comics/2010-02-24-determinism.png <cite>berlyman101 posted [p:950666292] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>all right well I'm glad Amazon got caught for this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 02/15/21 1:39:51 PM #37:	MuayThai85 posted... If said minimum wage is more than double, then yes it would because the increased buying power will lead to increased prices due to a little thing known as supply and demand. Do you think the price of your meal at a restaurant will stay the same when said restaurants already operates on a 10% profit margin (roughly) are now paying 2.5x more for their staff (that's if you remove tipping and just add it into the price of the meal)? A vast majority of businesses would not be able to afford to keep their doors open if the minimum wage was raised to $25... The historically recorded data does not match your guess on what would happen. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more." ~Austin_Era_II "Out of those two? Racist for me... easily." ~Vicious_Dios <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:950666343] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>MuayThai85 posted... </cite> <quote>If said minimum wage is more than double, then yes it would because the increased buying power will lead to increased prices due to a little thing known as supply and demand. Do you think the price of your meal at a restaurant will stay the same when said restaurants already operates on a 10% profit margin (roughly) are now paying 2.5x more for their staff (that's if you remove tipping and just add it into the price of the meal)? A vast majority of businesses would not be able to afford to keep their doors open if the minimum wage was raised to $25...</quote> The historically recorded data does not match your guess on what would happen. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MuayThai85 02/15/21 1:52:40 PM #38:	Shablagoo posted... The historically recorded data does not match your guess on what would happen. For huge corporations you'd be right about them being able to afford it but the problem is most businesses in the US are small businesses and simply couldn't afford the possible massive increase in salaries. If anything this would give more power to the corporations... --- How can one person post so much stupid s***? <cite>MuayThai85 posted [p:950666706] in Amazon fin... [t:79295294]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>The historically recorded data does not match your guess on what would happen.</quote> For huge corporations you'd be right about them being able to afford it but the problem is most businesses in the US are small businesses and simply couldn't afford the possible massive increase in salaries. If anything this would give more power to the corporations... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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