Current Events > "I got 60 hours this week!" Congrats, you're a slave.

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Because no matter what your job is, they're not paying you your true worth. This goes for even the lowest level positions.

Discuss.

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No zaddy leading.

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God_Of_Entirety posted...

Because no matter what your job is, they're not paying you your true worth.

If you aren't creating value that exceeds your pay, your job will quickly cease to exist. Or, rather, it will exist in Mexico or Bangladesh in the near future.

Questionmarktarius posted...

If you aren't creating value that exceeds your pay, your job will quickly cease to exist. Or, rather, it will exist in Mexico or Bangladesh in the near future.

Okay.

Now answer the question.

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I feel bad for people who value money so much they give away their life in this way

Such an unfulfilling existence

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Weird incest topic
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God_Of_Entirety posted...

Now answer the question.

Does it matter? The job was offered voluntarily, and you accepted the compensation level voluntarily.

I mean what else are we supposed to do?

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nothanks1 is officially banished to the Shadow Realm. Let us weep.

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I sacrificed one year working a ton of overtime last year. Completely worth it. Got the house of our dreams and paid basically all my debt in one go. My overtime is at 75 an hour tho

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OT should be taxed at a lower rate or non at all. All those extra hours to sometimes barely see a bigger check.

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I'm in a small democratic group that shares profits among other docs

profits are based off of billable RVU

RVU very closely tied to hours

60 hrs in my field a week isn't really sustainable though I'd be making more than a million per year if I did

pretty happy with my 36 hrs/week

anyway I can't actually answer your question since we are employees as well as owners with a democratically elected leader that rotates

EDIT: I was kind of curious about my own flamboyant claim of 1 mil and actually ran the numbers. At 60 hrs a week it would be just over 900k. But again, no one chooses to work that much in EM

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No, my last boss was great and earned his money. He was always in the pit with us and worked his ass off.

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ShyOx posted...

No, my last boss was great and earned his money. He was always in the pit with us and worked his ass off.

This isn't about your boss.

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God_Of_Entirety posted...

This isn't about your boss.

He was my employer, so yeah I think its pretty relevant lol. I frequently worked over 46 hours a week there to get OT, and if he made over 10x more than me, more power to him.

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Only a few generations ago you had people fighting for 8 hour work days, 40 hour work weeks and other protections against corporations taking advantage of workers. Now people brag about working 60-80 hours a week.


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Southernfatman posted...

Only a few generations ago you had people fighting for 8 hour work days, 40 hour work weeks and other protections against corporations taking advantage of workers. Now people brag about working 60-80 hours a week.

While earning $7 an hour.
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I've worked 62 hour weeks on a regular before. Half of my Filipino/Portuguese/Brazilian koworkers were chugging even more than that. Obviously not fun, but money is money, regardless of how much less it is than the CEO's or whoever.

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Yeah, I'm close to taking a management position over multiple retail locations in a national park but I'm apprehensive about it given the long hours and the fact that I really don't need the money. I may back out depending on how another interview goes next week.

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I'm my employer.

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I don't make any money for my employer, so...

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I dont usually work long hours any more but i am really glad i did when i was younger

Early 20s id usually go 7am-7pm

Got me a bunch of promotions and 5 figure raises every year. Not so much because i was punching in/out late, more just that i got so much more done

Anyways it's stupid to talk shit about others' work ethics

If someone wants to do the minimum and not get big raises/advance their careers, that is fine

Working hard for more money is no less valid of a life choice than clocking out early to watch your animes
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I'm an intern, I don't get paid anything

I would say I actually pay them to let me work here but I use the gi bill so the government is paying to let me work here

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His value as an employer has been so 15 other families can live comfortably and use their skills to make a difference in the world.

I'm fine with this

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Um, slaves weren't paid.

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Shits gotta get done!

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LincolnDuncan posted...

Um, slaves weren't paid.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery

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well no one else is gonna give me money, so until I can work for myself or something I'll take the 20 extra hours of overtime working hours that I probably wouldn't have done anything else anyways

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averagejoel posted...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery

Ok.

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My emploer never paid anyone a tenth of his salary. I know. I did the payroll. As for hours, maybe blame the people taking more than a 40 hour week leaving less work for others more than the employer. Again, my place hated overtime and rather have had 3 at 40 than 2 at 60. Shame we were always short staffed because people weren't jumping to work in the field.

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LincolnDuncan posted...

Um, slaves weren't paid.

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What is it if I let you make five hundred dollars to let me make ten thousand?

~The Autobiography of Malcolm X

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LincolnDuncan posted...

Ok.

if slavery is the owner taking 100% of the value that someone produces, at what point does it become not slavery? 90%? 75%? 50?

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TCs statement doesn't scream entitlement at all.

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Prismsblade posted...

TCs statement doesn't scream entitlement at all.

It's supposed to, Einstein.

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I agree with Prismblade that we are entitled to the true worth of our labor.

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averagejoel posted...

if slavery is the owner taking 100% of the value that someone produces, at what point does it become not slavery? 90%? 75%? 50?

Slavery is measured by consent, not compensation
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g980 posted...

Slavery is measured by consent, not compensation

most people are dependent on their job for survival. that's a type of coercion

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God_Of_Entirety posted...

Because no matter what your job is, they're not paying you your true worth. This goes for even the lowest level positions.

I'd argue that a lot of people in the corporate world aren't too important for the company. They can not show up to work and no one would even notice. Hell sometimes things go better because they're an obstacle.

Lower wage ones tend to be lower wage because it's so easy to replace them.

I'd argue that the most underpaid are the experienced hourly workers. There are some that are absolutely pivotal to the day to day, and have so much tribal knowledge they can't be replaced. Most overpaid are the guys who just show up and talk in meetings all day, and make bad decisions.

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averagejoel posted...

most people are dependent on their job for survival. that's a type of coercion

Who is coercing them? Not the employer.

Work is naturally necessary for survival until farms learn to farm themselves. Are bears slaves because they need to forage for food?
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g980 posted...

Who is coercing them? Not the employer.

the system is coercing them. the employer is the beneficiary of that coercion though

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32 hour work week is the best for work/life balance, enough time making money, and enough time to enjoy spending it.

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g980 posted...

Work is naturally necessary for survival until farms learn to farm themselves. Are bears slaves because they need to forage for food?

bears don't have a 3rd party stealing most of their food from them

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averagejoel posted...

bears don't have a 3rd party stealing most of their food from them

So? Doesnt negate my point.

averagejoel posted...

the system is coercing them. the employer is the beneficiary of that coercion though

Nature is coercing the system. Life isnt free.

People have to work just like any living thing does. If there is consent to the terms of that work, it isnt slavery.

Why cant you just argue a sane position?

"Society would benefit if workers had more bargaining power"

Comparing the modern economy to actual slavery is absurd and downplays the horror of real slavery
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People used to have to work the entire day on a farm just to have enough to survive. Now people working 40 hour weeks with pocket size computers, air conditioning, and all the entertainment in the world.

SLAVERY!!!! Imagine if actual slaves saw what your living conditions are. Hell, imagine if anybody during that era saw what your living conditions are. They'll be blown away.

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Squall28 posted...

People used to have to work the entire day on a farm just to have enough to survive. Now people working 40 hour weeks with pocket size computers, air conditioning, and all the entertainment in the world.

SLAVERY!!!! Imagine if actual slaves saw what your living conditions are. Hell, imagine if anybody during that era saw what your living conditions are. They'll be blown away.

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Southernfatman posted...

I'm sorry. Did the slaves have refrigerators? Society has been improving. Amenities that were once only available to the very rich are now available to almost everyone.

Calling yourself a slave while enjoying all the comforts of modern society is an insult to the people who actually suffered through real adversity.

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Look up slave in the dictionary.

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"Ackchyually, slavery was...": The Thread.

If TC had used the word "bitch" these bozos would be locked into a discussion over the difference between canines and primates.

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IShall_Run_Amok posted...

"Ackchyually, slavery was...": The Thread.

If TC had used the word "bitch" these bozos would be locked into a discussion over the difference between canines and primates.

Just admit you guys are entitled af.

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