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Kitt
01/29/21 12:49:44 PM
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I mean, it's not outstanding or anything but it's definitely better than DBZ.

The majority of it is an adventure-a-week type show that have the benefit of follow a much smaller cast of character, making the whole thing feel a lot more focused overall. It reminds me of the original Dragonball series in that way.

Meanwhile, Z is extra bloated, it feels like the writers are going entirely by ear with the story arcs and not to mention all the side characters that the show itself constantly forgets about.

Is this just a case of "The original guy didn't work on it, therefore, it's automatically bad"?

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Strider102
01/29/21 12:50:22 PM
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Power levels not mattering.

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Veggeta X
01/29/21 12:50:51 PM
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For me personally, SSJ4 looks ugly as fuck.

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Kitt
01/29/21 12:52:39 PM
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Strider102 posted...
Power levels not mattering.
The power levels stuff is dumb in general tbh. How they feel the need to artificially crank up the stakes simply by saying the bad guys in the next season have a higher number.

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RetsuZaiZen
01/29/21 12:53:04 PM
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Music sucks
Plot sucks
Lazy writing
Ending sucks

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Kitt
01/29/21 12:55:39 PM
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RetsuZaiZen posted...
Music sucks
Plot sucks
Lazy writing
Ending sucks
Are we talking about Z or GT. Because that's an accurate description of the former too.

Veggeta X posted...
For me personally, SSJ4 looks ugly as fuck.
Everything after Super Saiyan 1 is silly imo

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Reis
01/29/21 12:55:44 PM
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because its bad. do you need a diagram TC?
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Veggeta X
01/29/21 12:56:49 PM
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Also everything non-canon to me is devalued to me.

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Cheater87
01/29/21 12:57:21 PM
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I'm enjoying it.

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FabIe
01/29/21 12:59:30 PM
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It's like the whole show is trying to be a gritty Dragon Ball. Making Goku a kid again was a really dumb idea.

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TheCrystalKing
01/29/21 1:00:21 PM
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I mean, the music in the episodes isn't that great, but I really like the japanese openings and endings.
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gamer167
01/29/21 1:09:44 PM
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It had some awesome ideas imo.

They at least tried to weaken Goku to scale back the insane power creep that plagued the series.

I liked the idea of Shadow Dragons and their creation being a consequence of the Z fighters overusing the DB's over the entire series.

I liked they idea of the Tuffles trying to get revenge on the Saiyans for committing genocide on them.

Personally I also loved SSJ4. The idea of a transformation that harnesses the power of and draws design inspiration from the Oozaru form was an awesome idea compared to the "new power = different hair" formula the rest of the series uses.

I completely understand why people hate the series though, it just wasn't executed well.
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Dark_SilverX
01/29/21 1:10:57 PM
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RetsuZaiZen posted...
Music sucks
Plot sucks
Lazy writing
Ending sucks
z music suck

Super also suck

Gt got powerful themes


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BombermanGold
01/29/21 1:11:12 PM
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It had some neat and fun ideas that obviously get remembered enough to carry over into all the various videogames.

But it's... I dunno.
I think the overall presentation, writing and implementation is what fell short compared to Z.

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Kitt
01/29/21 1:13:22 PM
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FabIe posted...
It's like the whole show is trying to be a gritty Dragon Ball. Making Goku a kid again was a really dumb idea.
I agree making him a kid again was an odd decision, but I don't get gritty from it. Like I said, it have more of a Dragonball vibe to it. Very dumb fun action-adventure type deal. Opposed to Z, it feels like it actually have some kind of direction behind it.

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Kitt
01/29/21 1:15:54 PM
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BombermanGold posted...
It had some neat and fun ideas that obviously get remembered enough to carry over into all the various videogames.

But it's... I dunno.
I think the overall presentation, writing and implementation is what fell short compared to Z.
Presentation and implementation I can at least understand. But writing? What writing? I wouldn't be surprised if Z didn't have writers and was made entirely by the storyboard artists.

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Infinite 2003
01/29/21 1:17:08 PM
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Kitt posted...
it's definitely better than DBZ.

Stopped reading right there

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Kitt
01/29/21 1:17:43 PM
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Infinite 2003 posted...
Stopped reading right there
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SuperShake666
01/29/21 1:19:00 PM
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Strider102 posted...
Power levels not mattering.

Power levels were thrown in the trash the moment scouters stopped mattering. They half ass it with the Frieza Army now but the joke is already that scouters are fucking worthless.

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CM_Ponch
01/29/21 1:19:42 PM
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Kid Goku was dumb, none of the villains lived up to their potential, the animation

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SkittyOnWailord
01/29/21 1:24:07 PM
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Vegeta having a mustache is why it's bad.

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The Popo
01/29/21 1:24:09 PM
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The entire grand space odyssey part of the show was bad. Baby was solid. Super 17 was bad. The evil dragon stuff had highs and lows, but ended with the ridiculous premise of my strongest form cant touch this guy... better revert to my weakest form and no sell/destroy him!

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DirkDiggles
01/29/21 1:29:49 PM
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Your taste in anime must really suck if you honestly think that GT is better than Z.

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Kitt
01/29/21 1:30:57 PM
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DirkDiggles posted...
Your taste in anime must really suck if you honestly think that GT is better than Z.
It sucks almost as much as DBZ.

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DirkDiggles
01/29/21 1:32:03 PM
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Kitt posted...
It sucks almost as much as DBZ.


Kitt posted...
I mean, it's not outstanding or anything but it's definitely better than DBZ.


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Kitt
01/29/21 1:39:19 PM
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We were talking about my taste in anime.

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Transformers27
01/29/21 1:40:58 PM
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Crap sequel but ending themes and SSJ4 is the GoAt.
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Kitt
01/29/21 1:42:34 PM
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Transformers27 posted...
Crap sequel
That's how I describe DBZ to Dragonball.

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Sorozone
01/29/21 1:44:28 PM
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Because it's fucking boring. The first arc is a complete slog. It's trying to replicate OG Dragonball with none of the magic. At least Z had better action.

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BombermanGold
01/29/21 1:45:11 PM
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Crono99 posted...
I like to think of GT and Super as perhaps being two separate universes or two separate timelines, like what happened with Trunk's time travel

Kind of assuming, but I think in the grand scheme of things, this is what the franchise is leaning towards.

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Transformers27
01/29/21 1:50:05 PM
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Kitt posted...
That's how I describe DBZ to Dragonball.
Probably the 360 turn. DB felt like an adventure. DBZ was just fight fest. Love both but DB a bit more now as I grew older.
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ViewtifulGrave
01/29/21 1:51:31 PM
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gamer167 posted...
They at least tried to weaken Goku to scale back the insane power creep that plagued the series.
Lol... no they didnt. Kid Goku was stronger than Buu in the first arc.

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Shadowplay
01/29/21 1:58:22 PM
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Crono99 posted...
The main thing is that other people wrote the story. It's not adapted from Toriyama's manga, it's an original creation for TV. Right away this puts some people off.

Also the beginning of GT is very silly and it takes some time before a real villain shows up.

All in all though I think GT is solid. The last arc with the dragon balls is a much better ending for the story than what Toriyama did at the end of volume 42.

I like to think of GT and Super as perhaps being two separate universes or two separate timelines, like what happened with Trunk's time travel
This. I'll add though that during the space adventure part, I was constantly screaming at the TV for Goku, or even Trunks, to go Super Saiyan since it felt like damn near every bad situation that they were in could be solved by going Super Saiyan.

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ViewtifulGrave
01/29/21 2:57:49 PM
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Kitt posted...
That's how I describe DBZ to Dragonball.
DBZ isnt a sequel. Toei just added the Z because they thought it sounded cool. The manga is called Dragon Ball from start to finish.

The same thing happened to Naruto. Shippuden is just a tag line thrown on after the time skip.

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COVxy
01/29/21 3:02:41 PM
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I think most people probably watched DBZ while they were young, then watched DBGT when they got a bit older. Older eyes are more discerning, I suppose. Mostly, every issue with DBGT, DBZ is guilty of doubly.

This is from someone who loved the shit out of these series and will still pick them up for nostalgia. But the writing and pacing of DBZ is just god awful lol.

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dameon_reaper
01/29/21 3:06:45 PM
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Kitt posted...
Presentation and implementation I can at least understand. But writing? What writing? I wouldn't be surprised if Z didn't have writers and was made entirely by the storyboard artists.

Z is literally a manga so its more like they copy and paste and stretch it out enough so that they can continue copying and pasting.

GT didn't have anything to copy from. Not saying that it was bad but at the very least, GT is its own thing and more like fanfiction in comparison.
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dameon_reaper
01/29/21 3:07:31 PM
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ViewtifulGrave posted...
DBZ isnt a sequel. Toei just added the Z because they thought it sounded cool. The manga is called Dragon Ball from start to finish.

The same thing happened to Naruto. Shippuden is just a tag line thrown on after the time skip.

Honestly, watch/read Dragon Ball up until the timeskip for Z..and then do the same for Z. It may not be a sequel but it sure as hell feels like one.
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The Popo
01/29/21 3:09:39 PM
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ViewtifulGrave posted...
DBZ isnt a sequel. Toei just added the Z because they thought it sounded cool. The manga is called Dragon Ball from start to finish.

https://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/son-goku-densetsu-toriyama-x-nakatsuru/

This is part of an interview from the Son Goku Densetsu with Akira Toriyama and Katsuyoshi Nakatsura (one of Toriyamas animators) in which they discuss the reason for the Z being added:

Sensei, I heard that you were responsible for suggesting the title Dragon Ball Z.

Toriyama: Ah, thats right.

Rumor has it that you titled it after an energy supplement with Z in the name.

Toriyama: Thats not true~. (laughs) Z is the last letter of the alphabet, right? Anyhow, from that time, I really already wanted to end the comic, (laughs) so I gave the title a Z with the meaning of thats all, folks~. I dont remember saying a single thing about there being an energy supplement. Rumors can be so wild. (laughs)

Nakatsuru: Did you have any image of something other than the Z?

Toriyama: No, I probably didnt. I myself thought, they dont really have to change the title, do they? but someone from the anime staff demanded it, saying we want to freshen it up, so I was just sort of like, this should be fine.

Nakatsuru: Dragon Ball ends right with Goku getting married, then Dragon Ball Zstarts with Gokus older brother Raditz arriving.

Toriyama: Wow, is that so? So it made a perfect dividing point, then.

Thats [over] a decade ago, and you never realized it? (laughs)

Toriyama: Hahaha. (laughs)

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ViewtifulGrave
01/30/21 11:58:30 AM
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Like I said Toei added the Z because they thought it was cool.

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smoke_break
01/30/21 12:06:30 PM
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This man really just said GT was better than Z. I respect opinions but bro, lol.

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Kitt
01/30/21 12:08:09 PM
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smoke_break posted...
This man really just said GT was better than Z. I respect opinions but bro, lol.
I mean, it's not too hard to be better than Z when the bar is so low.

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NeuralLaxative
01/30/21 12:18:40 PM
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PreBuu DBZ is def better than GT

Buu and onward...eh, i could see putting that on Par with GT. Buu saga pretty much just bastardizes everything that came before it and I wont even talk about Super

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