Current Events > "How Republicans are warping reality around the Capitol attack"

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Antifar
01/17/21 12:43:03 PM
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Immediately after the attack on the U.S. Capitol, all corners of the political spectrum repudiated the mob of President Trumps supporters. Yet within days, prominent Republicans, party officials, conservative media voices and rank-and-file voters began making a rhetorical shift to try to downplay the groups violent actions.

In one of the ultimate dont-believe-your-eyes moments of the Trump era, these Republicans have retreated to the ranks of misinformation, claiming it was Black Lives Matter protesters and far-left groups like Antifa who stormed the Capitol in spite of the pro-Trump flags and QAnon symbology in the crowd. Others have argued that the attack was no worse than the rioting and looting in cities during the Black Lives Matter movement, often exaggerating the unrest last summer while minimizing a mobs attempt to overturn an election.

The shift is revealing about how conspiracy theories, deflection and political incentives play off one another in Mr. Trumps G.O.P. For a brief time, Republican officials seemed perhaps open to grappling with what their partys leader had wrought violence in the name of their Electoral College fight. But any window of reflection now seems to be closing as Republicans try to pass blame and to compare last summers lawlessness, which was condemned by Democrats, to an attack on Congress, which was inspired by Mr. Trump.

The violence at the Capitol was shameful, Rudolph W. Giuliani, the presidents lawyer, tweeted at 6:55 a.m. the morning after the attack. Our movement values respect for law and order and for the police. But now, in a new video titled What Really Happened on January 6th? Mr. Giuliani is among those who are back to emphasizing conspiracy theories.

The riot was preplanned, said Mr. Giuliani, the former mayor of New York City. This was an attempt to slander Trump. He added, The evidence is coming out.

For months, Republicans have used last summers protests as a political catchall, highlighting isolated instances of property destruction and calls to defund the police to motivate their base in November. The tactic proved somewhat effective on Election Day: Democrats lost ground in the House of Representatives, with Republican challengers hammering a message of liberal lawlessness. About nine of every 10 voters said the protests had been a factor in their voting, according to estimates from A.P. VoteCast, a large voter survey conducted for The Associated Press by NORC at the University of Chicago. Nearly half of those respondents backed Mr. Trump, with some saying they worried that the unrest could disrupt their communities.

Republicans are now using the looting to try to explain away the Capitol attack. The result, for some Republican voters, ranges from doubt to conspiratorial thinking.

Suzanne Doherty, 67, who traveled from Michigan to be in Washington on Jan. 6 to support Mr. Trump, came away feeling confused and depressed over the invasion of the Capitol and not trusting the images of the mob.

I heard that on Antifa websites, people were invited to go to the rally and dress up like Trump supporters, but Im not sure what to believe anymore, she said. There were people there only to wreak havoc. All I know is that there was a whole gamut of people there, but the rioters were not us. Maybe they were Antifa. Maybe they were B.L.M. Maybe they were extreme right militants.

The conjecture that the mob was infiltrated by Black Lives Matter and Antifa has been metastasizing from the dark corners of the pro-Trump internet to the floors of Congress and the Republican base, even as law enforcement officials say there is no evidence to support it. Law enforcement officials are now flagging threats of violence and rioting leading up to President-elect Joseph R. Biden Jr.s inauguration.

That has not stopped Republican lawmakers and some of their constituents from pushing these narratives to defend Mr. Trump.

Interviews with voters this week in Kenosha, the southeast Wisconsin city that was roiled by a high-profile police shooting last summer, captured the yawning split along ideological and racial lines. Democrats pointed to the differences in motivation between the Capitol mob and the mass protests of the Black Lives Matter movement, which was not seeking to overturn an election or being incited by the president. Republicans saw the Capitol attack as the work of outsiders or as justified by the summers isolated incidents of looting and property destruction.

I think the goal was to try to put some final nails in the coffin of Donald Trump, said Dale Rovik, a 59-year-old who supports Mr. Trump and is a native of Kenosha. I think its pretty clear that they did that to make him look bad and to accuse him and, of course, to try and impeach him again. That certainly is pretty clear to me.

Joe Pillizzi, a 67-year-old retired salesman in Kenosha who supports Mr. Trump, said he believed last summers looting and rioting had put a seed in the minds of the mob that attacked the Capitol.

If the Black Lives Matter didnt do what they did, I dont think the Capitol attack would have happened, he said.
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The misinformation on the right reflects the mood of Mr. Trumps most ardent base, the collection of elected officials in deep-red America who have consistently rationalized his behavior in crises. But other signs indicate that some Republicans are exasperated by Mr. Trump and his actions in a way not seen since he entered office.

A new Pew Research poll released Friday showed the presidents approval rating dropping sharply among Republicans since he inspired the mob violence, cratering to an all-time low of 60 percent, more than 14 percentage points lower than his previous nadir. Among Americans at large, Mr. Trumps approval rating was 29 percent, a low since he took office in 2017, and he had a 68 percent disapproval rating his highest recorded number.

In the House, 10 Republicans voted to impeach Mr. Trump for a second time, making it the most bipartisan effort of any impeachment effort in the countrys history. Mitch McConnell, the Senate majority leader, has signaled a desire to rid the party of Mr. Trump. And in recent days in Washington, some Republicans spoke out about the misinformation that had spread through the ranks of the partys base and its elected officials.

Representative Peter Meijer, a Republican freshman who voted to impeach Mr. Trump, said in an interview with The Daily, The New York Times audio podcast, that the prevalence of false information among the base had created two worlds among congressional Republicans one that is based in reality and another grounded in conspiracy.

The world that said this was actually a landslide victory for Donald Trump, but it was all stolen away and changed and votes were flipped and Dominion voting systems, Mr. Meijer said, describing what he called a fever swamp of conspiracy theories.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/17/us/politics/Capitol-conspiracy-theories-blm-antifa.html


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Antifar
01/17/21 12:44:03 PM
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In a video news conference Friday, Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina also made a direct appeal to Republicans still in doubt. Biden actually won, he said. The election wasnt rigged.

Their words, contrasted with Mr. Trumps own message and that of many supporters, highlight a challenge for the Republican Party. The rioters targeted law enforcement personnel, members of Congress and even Vice President Mike Pence. However, much of the partys base and many of its leaders at the local and state levels remain loyal to Mr. Trump.

Another Republican who backed impeachment, Representative Tom Rice of South Carolina, acknowledged in an interview with The Associated Press that he was likely to face a G.O.P. primary challenger in his 2022 re-election effort because of his vote a threat the other nine Republicans who voted for impeachment will probably face as well.

FIRST G.O.P. Primary Challenger Announces Run in Michigan Against Freshman Rep. Meijer One of 10 G.O.P. Turncoats, read a headline on Gateway Pundit, the right-wing and often conspiratorial news outlet that has amassed influence among Mr. Trumps base.

Reached by email, the site's founder, Jim Hoft, did not reply to questions but did send along several of his own news articles related to claims of Antifa involvement in the Capitol attack citing the case of a man named John Sullivan, whom the right-wing media has dubbed an Antifa leader in efforts to prove its theory of infiltration. He was the same man cited by Mr. Giuliani in tweets that threatened to expose and place total blame on John and the 226 members of Antifa that instigated the Capitol riot.

Interviews with local and state Republican officials show the long-term effects that the amplification of misinformation has among the party. While few members of Congress have agreed with Mr. Trumps assertion that his actions were totally appropriate, several party officials did. And while many Republicans condemned violence, attacks on law enforcement personnel and the killing of a Capitol Police officer, Brian Sicknick, they did not agree that those things were the work pro-Trump mobs acting in the presidents name, as is the consensus among law enforcement officials.

I do not believe President Trump should be blamed for what happened in D.C. on Jan. 6 any more than the media should be blamed for the carnage in Minneapolis, Portland, Dallas or Seattle, said Ed Henry, a former campaign chair for Mr. Trump in Alabama. The attack on the Capitol has not shaken my confidence in President Trump. I still support him.

Eileen Grossman, a Republican activist from Rhode Island who worked on Mr. Trumps campaign, dismissed the violence as the work of outside agitators.

I know that the violence was caused by bad actors from Antifa and liberal progressives as well as Black Lives Matter, Ms. Grossman said, without citing any evidence. She added, using an acronym for Republicans in name only, that the Republicans who voted for impeachment would face primary challengers. They are RINOs and traitors.

Ms. Grossman has recently left Rhode Island because, in her words, she wanted to live in a red state. She moved to Georgia, a historically Republican state that in the last three months has voted for Mr. Biden in the presidential election and sent two Democratic candidates to the Senate.
Obviously I chose poorly, she said.

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scar the 1
01/17/21 12:48:18 PM
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If only there were a historical precedent of something like this

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CouldBeAnAlt
01/17/21 12:58:04 PM
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They've been warping reality for four years
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legendary_zell
01/17/21 12:58:14 PM
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We need some kind of mass deradicalization effort like what was done in Germany post WW2, but the catastrophic event that makes that sort of break possible hasn't happened yet.

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meralonne
01/17/21 1:11:49 PM
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Game plan:

  1. Do some shit that is, at best, immoral but not illegal or, at worst, shit that is totally illegal but helps your cause/hurts your opponents cause.
  2. Make up some shit about how your political opponents did the shit that you actually did, then say it over and over and over again on Fox News, Twitter and Facebook until all of the dupes believe you.
  3. ???
  4. Profit.

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hockeybub89
01/17/21 1:27:42 PM
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I like how a lady at the fucking riot doesn't even believe it was a Trump supporter riot. What the fuck

Also, didn't we just see a text conversation Giuliani had with John Sullivan's brother? This disinformation campaign is insane.

I like that the article shot down BLM comparisons. I don't remember a single Democrat in DC walking back their condemnation of violence during those. I don't like the Dems, but they are completely different than the fucking GOP. "Eating their own" is a virtue because it means no one is doing somersaults to justify why every liberal and leftist is always right, even when it requires ignoring reality and replacing it with wild conspiracy theory.

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DarkRoast
01/17/21 1:30:00 PM
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It's funny the GOP keeps mentioning 1984, when this is quintessential 1984-ish Memory Hole stuff.

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GallisOTK
01/17/21 1:38:39 PM
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These people are so insane and delusional that they're beyond saving
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hockeybub89
01/17/21 1:38:45 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
It's funny the GOP keeps mentioning 1984, when this is quintessential 1984-ish Memory Hole stuff.
It's ok to rewrite history if you do it in real-time, or something

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Aristoph
01/17/21 1:41:45 PM
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Antifar posted...
Obviously I chose poorly, she said.

Not the first time, and won't be the last time. What a dumbass.

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Bio1590
01/17/21 1:49:19 PM
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legendary_zell posted...
We need some kind of mass deradicalization effort like what was done in Germany post WW2, but the catastrophic event that makes that sort of break possible hasn't happened yet.

It'll never happen especially if it's government-sponsored. Apparently that's "fascist" so it's better to let the Nazis roam freely than do anything about them.
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jpenny2
01/17/21 1:59:44 PM
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The GOP needs to be dismantled. It can't be fixed or rehabilitated or made to see reason.

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Machete
01/17/21 4:50:53 PM
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Paragraph 2 in the op is exactly what every single trump supporter I have seen on thit site has done, minus the ones who were celebrating the terrorism on the maga board and got suspended or banned for it. It is very Sad! to say the least.
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creativerealms
01/17/21 4:54:24 PM
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Wasn't Rudy Giuliani one of the people who spoke at the rally with language that could come across as calling for an attack? He was egging on those people,just like Trump. They were not leftists, they are your people.

Yeah it is sad that they will get away with this. People will believe them when they say "it was antics who attacked the capital." It is scary.

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Ruvan22
01/17/21 5:49:21 PM
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creativerealms posted...
Wasn't Rudy Giuliani one of the people who spoke at the rally with language that could come across as calling for an attack? He was egging on those people,just like Trump. They were not leftists, they are your people.

Yeah it is sad that they will get away with this. People will believe them when they say "it was antics who attacked the capital." It is scary.
He was, along with quite a few others- Trump Jr. said "we are coming for you and we are going to enjoy it"
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NinjaWarrior455
01/17/21 6:15:08 PM
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It is clear to me that Republicans seem to be living in a separate reality from everyone else. The GOP has been feeding this beast for over 50 years and now it's come to destroy the GOP but also seems to be trying to destroy America and it's democracy in the process. There is no easy way to fix this and it looks like things are going to get a lot more ugly.

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CADE FOSTER
01/17/21 6:16:27 PM
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Gaslight
Obstruct
Project

its in the gameplan they are slimey rats and traitors all of them
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Inferno Dive Dragoon
01/17/21 6:33:37 PM
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CADE FOSTER posted...
Gaslight
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its in the gameplan they are slimey rats and traitors all of them


Wait, I thought the "G" stood for "Gerrymandering".
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KobraKaiCarate
01/17/21 6:38:18 PM
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Machete posted...
Paragraph 2 in the op is exactly what every single trump supporter I have seen on thit site has done, minus the ones who were celebrating the terrorism on the maga board and got suspended or banned for it. It is very Sad! to say the least.

I've been doing this in conversations with friends lately. They don't seem to be buying into it.
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scar the 1
01/18/21 2:14:17 AM
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Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...
Wait, I thought the "G" stood for "Gerrymandering".
That's done by the Dems as well. It's a rotten system, not just a rotten party.

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Solar_Crimson
01/18/21 8:10:25 PM
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shockthemonkey posted...
Over 70% of Republicans think that Trump won the election. Its too many people to just ignore. I dont know where the country can go from here.
I'd probably get modded for saying what I feel likely has to be done at this point, but they really are too fargone at this point. They're beliefs will just keep spreading and gaining power and influence, and eventually they WILL have more than enough influence to fuck up the country even worse than Trump has.

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