Current Events > Trump would have absolutely won if not for COVID

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Spiritlittle posted...

Nah. I still think Biden would have won. There's just too much incompetence from him and his administration.

Pretty much the same ratio of Democrats to Republicans voted in this election as 2016 (even though turnout was way higher). The Gary Johnson/3rd Party voters all went to Biden because he wasn't Hillary Clinton.

Biden wins either way, I feel.

Well you're wrong. Because Biden barely won. Covid was devastating. This is just common sense. He was on track to win until covid hapened.

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Trump totally would have won again if he wasnt an absolute shitfuck.

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He probably would have won if he put in the bare minimum amount of effort in handling covid. But then he wouldnt Donald Trump.
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Dude, if he didn't fuck up with his response to the Covid then his chances for the 2020 reelection would've been locked in IMHO. I literally had friends who were hardcore Republicans turn against Trump because of the stupid shit he said about it like it being a democratic hoax, fake news, and his constant downplaying of it.

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Houston posted...

It's hard to overcome concerted lies from multiple mass media conglomerates that are hell bent on ensuring Trump never wins again (and who tried to ensure he didn't win the first time). A lot of people, unfortunately, only read the headlines. A lot of people don't dig too much further, unfortunately. And it's hard to do in current times to begin with. It actually takes a bit of effort to find different information.

So basically, you just want news that fits your pathetic perspective. How convenient.

Well some still speculate that Trump never inteded to be President and probably doesn't care now.

He just doesn't want to show it.

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Houston posted...

He did step up and lead. He had makeshift hospitals and ships ready on a moments notice. He implemented an executive order for certain companies to make ventilators, which are now not being used in the U.S. and instead helping other countries. He had an entire ship ready within days to show up to NY port that was barely used.

No offense, but I was literally on the front lines. Still am.

We literally could not get tests from Feb to the end of April.

It was a complete disaster. And during that time he kept boasting about how everyone had testing, then he said we were OVERtesting ffs.


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ChainedRedone posted...

He was on track to win until covid hapened.

He really wasn't. He had record low job approval. "Biden barely won" is hugely misleading, considering the popular vote margin of victory for Biden was basically on-par with FDR beating Hoover.


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idk I think the BLM protests would have been bigger and gone for longer if covid didn't happen. covid stole all the media coverage

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DarkRoast posted...

He really wasn't. He had record low job approval. "Biden barely won" is hugely misleading, considering the popular vote margin of victory for Biden was basically on-par with FDR beating Hoover.

Lol polls. Biden only won by 0.6 points or less in AZ, GA and WI. He barely won.

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Houston posted...

He did step up and lead.

100% bullshit.

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I don't think so.

His base love him no matter what

And the country as a whole always hated him by in large even before covid

I don't think the people of Pennsylvania went blue because of Covid

this is just excuse making

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UnfairRepresent posted...

I don't think so.

His base love him no matter what

And the country as a whole always hated him by in large even before covid

I don't think the people of Pennsylvania went blue because of Covid

this is just excuse making

Who's making excuses? And he didn't need PA to win the election. PA wasn't the tipping point state. you're clearly ignorant on US elections. Trump needed GA, AZ and WI to win. These were won by razor thin margins. A pandemic was definitely enough to tip it over to Trump.

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JustMyOpinion posted...

Literally all Trump had to do is say "I pick the best and Fauci is the best. Listen to him and I'm gonna go golf."

That's it. Just do that and he would've won.

I agree. He could have turned wearing masks into an act of patriotism as well. "wear masks to save your fellow Americans". Easy. But Orange Man gonna bad

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ChainedRedone posted...

Who's making excuses? And he didn't need PA to win the election. PA wasn't the tipping point state. you're clearly ignorant on US elections. Trump needed GA, AZ and WI to win. These were won by razor thin margins. A pandemic was definitely enough to tip it over to Trump.

I meant Georgia

Dunno why the fuck I said Pennsylvania lol

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It killed off many older people who wouldve voted for him. It also created a window for mail in votes to be manipulated. Due to high amount of votes being mailed in signatures were not being validated. After ballots are mailed in the sheet with voter identification is separated from the ballot and moved to another facility to be counted. This allows a huge window for manipulation of the election by planting boxes full of ballots for one candidate.

UnfairRepresent posted...

I meant Georgia

Dunno why the fuck I said Pennsylvania lol

A good fraction of voters said COVID was their most important issue. Given how badly Trump fucked that up, there's no doubt he lost some votes due to that alone. Also it tanked the economy, previously his stronger advantage. I think it's clear COVID and its consequences swayed at least 12k people on georgia.

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ChainedRedone posted...

I agree. He could have turned wearing masks into an act of patriotism as well. "wear masks to save your fellow Americans". Easy. But Orange Man gonna bad

could have just made MAGA masks right off the bat and made millions of dollars

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Not sure about the primary thesis here. COVID restrictions have been very polarizing and we saw his disregard for them energize his base in the months prior to the election.

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ChainedRedone posted...

A good fraction of voters said COVID was their most important issue. Given how badly Trump fucked that up, there's no doubt he lost some votes due to that alone. Also it tanked the economy, previously his stronger advantage. I think it's clear COVID and its consequences swayed at least 12k people on georgia.

I doubt it

His base Is blind. I don't think he lost any votes due to his covid denial, he still got 70 million.

Dems may have gained some but only in blue states. Say push the 7 mil pop win to 5 mil

I don't see it changing Arizona or Georgia or having any effect on his base

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If he sent everyone another stimulus before the election of $1200-2000 he would've won.

obsolete posted...

He could have sold MAGA masks and made a heroic speech about uniting during a troubling time. But instead he called it a hoax.

True.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

I doubt it

His base Is blind. I don't think he lost any votes due to his covid denial, he still got 70 million.

Dems may have gained some but only in blue states. Say push the 7 mil pop win to 5 mil

I don't see it changing Arizona or Georgia or having any effect on his base

It's not just his base you dingus. It's the swing voters. The independents. Who often care about the economy.

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If Trump managed to copy New Zealand and Tawain, stop covid spread... i wouldnt mind if he was still President

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L0Z posted...

It killed off many older people who wouldve voted for him. It also created a window for mail in votes to be manipulated. Due to high amount of votes being mailed in signatures were not being validated. After ballots are mailed in the sheet with voter identification is separated from the ballot and moved to another facility to be counted. This allows a huge window for manipulation of the election by planting boxes full of ballots for one candidate.

biometrics (fingerprints and retina scans) should be collected in order to vote and voting should be done via encryption on computers using these biometrics.

A) Which states mail in ballots do you believe were manipulated?
B) Do you have a source for those states not having signature match?
C) Why was the manipulation just for the presidential candidates? Democrats lost Congress and Senate seats

L0Z posted...

It killed off many older people who wouldve voted for him. It also created a window for mail in votes to be manipulated. Due to high amount of votes being mailed in signatures were not being validated. After ballots are mailed in the sheet with voter identification is separated from the ballot and moved to another facility to be counted. This allows a huge window for manipulation of the election by planting boxes full of ballots for one candidate.

biometrics (fingerprints and retina scans) should be collected in order to vote and voting should be done via encryption on computers using these biometrics.

No, that's all BS.


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All he had to do was take the virus seriously and promote some dumb shit like maga masks and he would have easily won

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