Current Events > Trump would have absolutely won if not for COVID

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How does that make you feel? COVID a necessary evil? It also helped protect the environment. Tbh humans are a scourge to the earth. Good job destroying the earth, fellow humans

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Without knowing how things would've turned out without covid, there's no saying whether he'd have won or not. If things remained exactly as they were before covid blew up, then yes, it's very plausible - I wouldn't say definite, but yeah, plausible. However, the chances of him doing something really fucking stupid between then and the election are quite far from zero...

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i feel like this take maybe moves blame off of him. i don't think you can just blame covid and be done with it. try not to forget his pathetic and irresponsible handling of it as well. and the whole 'herd mentality' thing.

ifs and buts. doesn't matter what woulda happened, just what did.
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What is this new narrative where people didnt already fucking despise Trump before COVID too.

If he handled it better he totally would have won

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It was his incredibly fucked up small brain response to COVID that contributed to his loss. It wasn't the pandemic itself.

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Trumble posted...

Without knowing how things would've turned out without covid, there's no saying whether he'd have won or not. If things remained exactly as they were before covid blew up, then yes, it's very plausible - I wouldn't say definite, but yeah, plausible. However, the chances of him doing something really fucking stupid between then and the election are quite far from zero...

trump did an enormous amount of fucking stupid stuff throughout his first term and it never really radically shook up his base very much. COVID was absolutely massive in all kinda of ways, the death toll is absolutely enormous and an insane amount of people either lost their jobs or found it threatened.

democrats generally do not win elections, especially against incumbents, unless they are running an energetic populist or unless there is some sort of crisis going on thats affecting day to day life. Joe Biden certainly isnt the former, and the margins and downballot races really seem to indicate covid was the real nail in the coffin for trump

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uwnim posted...

If he handled it better he totally would have won

This too

but oh boy he didn't

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He could have sold MAGA masks and made a heroic speech about uniting during a troubling time. But instead he called it a hoax.

ultimate reaver posted...

trump did an enormous amount of fucking stupid stuff throughout his first term and it never really radically shook up his base very much. COVID was absolutely massive in all kinda of ways, the death toll is absolutely enormous and an insane amount of people either lost their jobs or found it threatened.

Yes, very little would shake up his "base". But it's not his base that are the concern - it's the swing voters, or the conservatives who aren't so keen on Trump's way of doing things. The same ones (though probably fewer of them) that abandoned Trump over covid.

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Trump absolutely would have and should have won. The lying mainstream media helped pull it off. Day in, day out 24/7 since he got elected and intensified during COVID. They tried so hard the first time, but they pulled it off the 2nd time with COVID. Shouldn't have happened.

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lmao houston having a little trouble with that whole 'reality' and 'coping' thing
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As much as I hate to say it, this is accurate. Biden was a walking bowl of boring who literally AFK'd his way to the nomiation and then got the presidency because COVID

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Trump for sure had it in the bag until covid came around.

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he tried to stick to CHINA and CHINA said okay!

and there it was!

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Fluttershy posted...

lmao houston having a little trouble with that whole 'reality' and 'coping' thing

Reality of what? Coping of what? It was a miracle Trump won to begin with. The country was done for either way, with or without a Trump 1st and 2nd term. I'm just glad I saw him elected.

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Watching MAGA morons cope is always funny.

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Houston posted...

Trump absolutely would have and should have won. The lying mainstream media helped pull it off. Day in, day out 24/7 since he got elected and intensified during COVID. They tried so hard the first time, but they pulled it off the 2nd time with COVID. Shouldn't have happened.

You don't think the terrorist attack that he incited shows that he should not be president?

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Handling the coronavirus well wouldnt have been enough to make up for the fact that he didnt come through with any of his campaign promises and the economy is somehow even worse than it was under obama. He constantly bragged about how good the economy is. If he thinks that CEOs being unprecedentedly rich represents a good economy, then we needed to get him out ASAP.

Trump: Jobs are up! We have never had so many jobs!
Reality: Wages are down and everyone has to get a night shift at the gas station to keep the water running at home (in the house that you RENT). Yeah, jobs are up because the sadistic cost of living keeps going up while CEOs and business owners are literally calling the shots at a legislative level and they practically write the laws that say they dont have to pay us.

Fool me once...

Reality of what? Coping of what?

deep breaths little trumper. it'll be okay.
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Houston posted...

Trump absolutely would have and should have won. The lying mainstream media helped pull it off. Day in, day out 24/7 since he got elected and intensified during COVID. They tried so hard the first time, but they pulled it off the 2nd time with COVID. Shouldn't have happened.

What was the media lying about 24/7 for four years?

Eliza3 posted...

You don't think the terrorist attack that he incited shows that he should not be president?

Shit........ Houston was probably cheering on the "protesters", and calling them heroes and patriots.

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COVID happened whether we like it or not, and it's not the fact that there was a disease like that during his term, but the way he handled there being a disease like COVID that secured his loss.

That said, i would have voted against him even without COVID.

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Bishop9800 posted...

Shit........ Houston was probably cheering on the "protesters", and calling them heroes and patriots.

No. I disagree with the incident along with the BLM riots, attempting burning of police stations, a federal court house, cementing doors shut to a police station attempting to lock police inside and burn them, and the unlawful occupation of Seattle streets that held citizens and business owners hostage for months

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COVID was a golden opportunity for him to step up and lead. Instead, he spent a year downplaying it and catering to conspiracy theories.

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so the gay cakes argument basically. you refuse to acknowledge difference or nuance and hope it gets responses for you on internet forums.
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He also pardoned the unpopular Joe Arpaio and insulted a popular recently deceased John McCain, so that helped him lose Arizona that he probably otherwise would have won.

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DarkRoast posted...

COVID was a golden opportunity for him to step up and lead. Instead, he spent a year downplaying it and catering to conspiracy theories.

He did step up and lead. He had makeshift hospitals and ships ready on a moments notice. He implemented an executive order for certain companies to make ventilators, which are now not being used in the U.S. and instead helping other countries. He had an entire ship ready within days to show up to NY port that was barely used.

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Houston posted...

No. I disagree with the incident along with the BLM riots, attempting burning of police stations, a federal court house, cementing doors shut to a police station attempting to lock police inside and burn them, and the unlawful occupation of Seattle streets that held citizens and business owners hostage for months

Why do you feel the need to bring up the other examples? And per my previous post, what was the media lying about 24/7 for four years?

Ifs and buts were candy and nuts

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Well that's why we had to screw people's livelihoods with the lockdowns.

yeah when you ignore all the downplaying and racist names he had for it which invariably incited violence, all the politicizing he did of it, how he practically discouraged people from wearing masks, if you ignore all of the bad stuff he did okay. like lol houston. eventually that trump bubble you live in will burst.
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Trump screwed Trump

Don't blame Covid, that was his test. He failed, as did supporters like yourself for not taking it seriously.

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Ruvan22 posted...

Why do you feel the need to bring up the other examples? And per my previous post, what was the media lying about 24/7 for four years?

I bring up the other example because it's apparent some people on this board only care about certain disorder or certain lawlessness. Other disorder a lawlessness is justified or can have a handwave because "their reasons".

The media lies constantly and gives coverage to uncorroborated stories which they talk about all time, which, in the Mueller investigation, turned out to be complete bunk in terms of Trump ties with Russia and collusion.

They largely never gave Trump credit for anything. No "feel good" coverage. No nothing. It was a 24/7 operation about how bad Trump was. Which, was completely incorrect.

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Like all of you have said. If he handled the response to Covid well I think he would have easily won. That was a big opportunity for him to easily win the election.

But his response was absolute dog shit and hundreds of thousands died because of him.

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Houston posted...

They largely never gave Trump credit for anything. No "feel good" coverage. No nothing

Yeah. We totally would have voted Trump if CNN just talked about how great he was once in a while.

When you blame everyone but yourself, you're doomed to never grow. Trump and his supporters epitomize that.

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Umbreon posted...

Yeah. We totally would have voted Trump if CNN just talked about how great he was once in a while.

When you blame everyone but yourself, you're doomed to never grow. Trump and his supporters epitomize that.

It's hard to overcome concerted lies from multiple mass media conglomerates that are hell bent on ensuring Trump never wins again (and who tried to ensure he didn't win the first time). A lot of people, unfortunately, only read the headlines. A lot of people don't dig too much further, unfortunately. And it's hard to do in current times to begin with. It actually takes a bit of effort to find different information.

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I think Trump would have won. He came pretty close to winning this election so imagine if COVID never happened.

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lol wow, i think this guy might actually be a stolen election type.
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I agree. Those evil deceitful mass media fucks making Trump look bad by showing direct footage and quotes made by Trump.

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I dunno if that alone is the biggest factor. Trump was against USPS and mail in voting, which he even seemed to advocate for his base not to do, which is also a big part of what cost him the election. That among his horrible handling of Covid and generally having the guy shit all over the presidency is what finally made some moderates, some of his is a idiot supporters, and even some die hard republicans vote democrat to try and get him out.

pegusus123456 posted...

I agree. Those evil deceitful mass media fucks making Trump look bad by showing direct footage and quotes made by Trump.

Ah, yes.. those 5 seconds clips they show, after people read a completely biased headline title accompanied with a page full of drool

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Biden didnt need to travel as much and hold rallies & events thanks to COVID.

If Trump took the crises seriously and actually showed leadership for once then he probably would have won.

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All he had to do was say, "COVID is real, follow the healthcare guidelines" once. Just once.

Boom. 2nd term.

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Ah, yes.. those 5 seconds clips they show, after people read a completely biased headline title accompanied with a page full of drool

it kinda sounds to me like you don't watch anything news-related and have formed your opinions on what is on the news by the people in your questionable facebook groups.
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Houston posted...

Ah, yes.. those 5 seconds clips they show, after people read a completely biased headline title accompanied with a page full of drool

Absolutely. Like that bullshit-emitting Washington post and their five-second full hour transcript of Trump trying to get the Georgia secretary of state to overturn the lawful election.

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Umbreon posted...

Trump screwed Trump

Don't blame Covid, that was his test. He failed, as did supporters like yourself for not taking it seriously.

Who's the supporter? I'm pointing out that the election was close. The tipping point state was Wisconsin, which Biden only won by 0.6 points. Has Covid never occurred, he honestly would have won. As scary as it is, it's the truth. The economy tanked, and so did his response to it. No doubt in my mind that would have shifted those 0.6. I think some of you are forgetting, he essentially lost the election by literally 0.6 percentage points in WI, and less in 2 states (AZ and GA). If I were a true Trump supporter, I'd be perpetuating that election fraud bullshit.

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I hate to say it, but you're most likely right. Everything else surrounding his presidency, from his racism to support of police aggression, is what got him elected in the first place.

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I'm going to diverge from the common assumption that he would've won and suggest that not only would Trump have still lost if not for COVID, but that the Democrats would have performed better, particularly downballot.

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Nah. I still think Biden would have won. There's just too much incompetence from him and his administration.

Pretty much the same ratio of Democrats to Republicans voted in this election as 2016 (even though turnout was way higher). The Gary Johnson/3rd Party voters all went to Biden because he wasn't Hillary Clinton.

Biden wins either way, I feel.

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