Current Events > I feel like America has a big problem of not allowing redemption/forgiveness.

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I was just thinking about this after I made that Lindsay Graham topic. Can he be a redemption story and can people forgive him? My immediate answer was, LMAO NO. Honestly, I still think that because he wont really walk that path of redemption. He will just get back on course of what he has always done and he will continue to be a joke of a congressman.

However, I started looking at the bigger picture. When did we, as Americans, stop allowing people to achieve redemptions? When did we stop forgiving people for past actions when consistent actions after that moment have been shown they are trying to change? Redemption and forgiveness use to be American values. Now? That doesnt seem to exist.

Before some people come out and troll, no, I do not support Trump. In fact, it is well known I hate Trump. Hell, I dont think he has any chance in hell of redemption because he wont walk that path to start.

If, by some miracle, that he actually tries to redeem himself, I dont now if Ill ever be able to forgive him. I know that is completely hypocritical based on what I said earlier. I guess, I just dont see a scenario that he does enough to earn that from me. If it happens, it happens. I have a better chance of being struck by lightning 20 times in a row in 10 seconds on a sunny day but I guess there is a chance.

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It does with it's criminal justice system.

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DepreceV2 posted...

However, I started looking at the bigger picture. When did we, as Americans, stop allowing people to achieve redemptions? When did we stop forgiving people for past actions when consistent actions after that moment have been shown they are trying to change? Redemption and forgiveness use to be American values. Now? That doesnt seem to exist.

can you give some examples of people who redeemed themselves and were forgiven vs people who redeemed themselves and were not forgiven?

regardless, I don't think being able to forgive someone is inherently a positive thing. it's just a christian thing

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I think America's biggest problem is that they refuse to take down the people that they actually should and keep on turning a blind eye due to biases or because those in power directly profit from them. Like this whole mess we're in right now would never have happened if people just took the alt-right seriously from the start and removed the people in power who galvanized them. Or even just corrupt government officials going all the way back to Nixon. Can't not pardon him and throw him in prison BECAUSE HE WAS A PRESIDENT DAMMIT THAT'S UNAMERICAN.

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If your only motivation to be a better person is where your profit lies, you don't deserve redemption.

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TomNook20 posted...

It does with it's criminal justice system.

Actually, that's a pretty good point.

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What has he done to redeem a long political career of being an absolutely terrible human being?

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No. Our problem is that we forgive/forget too quickly. Especially when the perpetrators are of a certain complexion.

we should do better with rehabilitating people forgotten by society but career lobbyists and shills can get fucked the long way for their actions. we need a stronger culture of accountability, unfortunately that's been abandoned. it's always been a problem in America, though.

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Using someone like Lindsey Graham is a horrible example, because someone who has literally zero convictions aside from "more power and money" is absolutely not going to be seeking any sort of redemption

words mean nothing. actions lead to forgiveness. sometimes over very long periods of time.

"i fucked up, and want to make things right" is only the barest of beginnings.

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In your personal life, forgiveness is for yourself. That person that you're hating is sleeping like a baby while you stew and are being eaten alive by your hatred and unforgiviness.

That thing they said or did to you isn't worth eating away at you day and night while the offender continues to live happily. Let it go.

That's some damn good preaching and I need to take my own advice.

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Dyinglegacy posted...

In your personal life, forgiveness is for yourself

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This is America, everyone is guilty until proven innocent.

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Medussa posted...

words mean nothing. actions lead to forgiveness. sometimes over very long periods of time.

"i fucked up, and want to make things right" is only the barest of beginnings.

I've said this and I'll say it again:

When you dislike someone enough you'll extremely villainize them. It is an awful trait.

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Dyinglegacy posted...

In your personal life, forgiveness is for yourself. That person that you're hating is sleeping like a baby while you stew and are being eaten alive by your hatred and unforgiviness.

That thing they said or did to you isn't worth eating away at you day and night while the offender continues to live happily. Let it go.

That's some damn good preaching and I need to take my own advice.

not forgiving someone does not mean you're "being eaten alive by your hatred" lol

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I'm not sure it's necessary when there are tons of people aching to take his place. I guess you can argue "What if the next guy's WORSE?!" Ideally you would be able to get rid of people until somebody acceptable occupies the position. But maybe that's not realistic in American politics.

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America loves nothing more than to forgive celebrities.

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You can't forgive someone when they're still actively screwing you over.

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I don't think so. I think we forgive plenty. In fact, that's half the reason people like to see someone fall, they like to see them get back up. They'd even forgive Trump if he were truly penitent.

TomNook20 posted...

It does with it's criminal justice system.

Depends on the crime. If you a sex offender that stays with you for life. You rob someone though you can probably live a normal life and not put on a registry with other robbers.

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I'm going to go with the Catholic line of thinking here...

Forgiveness requires repentance.

Who have you seen repent for their role in the terrorist attack on the capitol? Not Hawley, Not Trump, Not Graham. When they repent, I'll forgive.

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George W. Bush painted pictures of dead soldiers and made a bunch of people overlook the fact that he was the one who sent them to die for bullshit causes in the first place.


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Forgiveness is earned, not gifted.

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Veggeta X posted...

I've said this and I'll say it again:

When you dislike someone enough you'll extremely villainize them. It is an awful trait.

Tis true. Lot of that going around, left and right

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Part of the problem is thinking those that have different values than you require redemption / forgiveness.

Who posted post #24?

Forgive wisely rather than easily.

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Firewerx posted...

Forgive wisely rather than easily.

Actually, I like this better.

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averagejoel posted...

not forgiving someone does not mean you're "being eaten alive by your hatred" lol

Gamefaqs, please dont make me explicitly explain...

It just depends. If you're the type to stew and obsess over something a person said to upset you, then it can eat at you night and day.

Not everyone is the type to replay scenarios over and over in their head while imagining what they should have said or should have done. If you're not the type to do that, unforgive away. If you are the type, it's not healthy to dwell, and it's best to just let it go, even tho that's much easier said than done.

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