Current Events > Weekly reminder that Cyberpunk 2077 is a 4/10 game

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* No NPC Day/Night cycle. NPCs spawn and despawn outside of the player's view.

* If an NPC is doing an action, they will do that action forever until the player moves.

* NPCs that are not story/side quest related have one dialog reply.

* If one NPC is assaulted, every other NPC in a large circle around the player will crouch to the floor in the same animation, even if they did not see the original assault.

* NPCs in a car will follow a specific route. If the route is even slightly interupted, for example by your car, they will cease to move forever until you remove the obstruction.

* NPCs in a car will not attempt to move or exit their vehicle if you assault them with bullets/another vehicle.

* NPCs will not acknowledge the player if they run the player over with their car.

* NPCs will not attempt to steal their vehicle back if you steal it from them.

* NPCs will not attack you or defend themselves in any way or form, even if engaged upon with just fists.

* Police spawn around the player's vision when the player is wanted, forever, until they attempt to hide or drive away.

* Police to not attempt to question, warn, or arrest the player for even the smallest crime commited, for example if you bump into them or accidently enter a private area.

* Police are incapable of driving cars and chasing the player if they drive away.

* Police will not attack hostile targets like Gangs if they are not already doing so in an activity.

* Police will know if the player has attacked an NPC in the middle of the badlands and spawn next to the player, without vehicles.

* NPCs will rarely thank or acknowledge the player if they are helped by the player.

* Scripted NPCs that have dialog will say their dialog then proceed to stand there forever. They will also repeat the same dialog if the player leaves the area and visits again later.

They're doing free dlc, can't complain

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ok but

* CD Projeckt Red good

* EA bad

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I've played some 8s and 9s with the above

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Nah it's good.

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4/10 is pretty generous.

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what's so bad about a video game having NPCs acting like video game NPCs?

It lacks a lot of the detail that would make the NPCs more realistic and immersive, but its no worse than a lot of older games.

I think 4/10 is unfair. For immersiveness, maybe, but its fun enough.

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More like 40/10.

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Raikuro posted...

what's so bad about a video game having NPCs acting like video game NPCs?

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4/10 implies it's better than The Witcher 3

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squarion posted...

They're doing free dlc, can't complain

Stuff that was removed from the game given away for free weeks later, just like the Witcher 3. Only no one buys their good guys of gaming crap anymore

The NPC AI being busted isn't nearly as big of a deal as some make it out to be. Most of the time I'm just running through them anyway in between waypoints.

The cop system is fucked but that is a thing they've said they'll fix. Again it doesn't really affect much anyway unless you want to go on a GTA style rampage which you currently can't.
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voldothegr8 posted...

The NPC AI being busted isn't nearly as big of a deal as some make it out to be. Most of the time I'm just running through them anyway in between waypoints.

The cop system is fucked but that is a thing they've said they'll fix. Again it doesn't really affect much anyway unless you want to go on a GTA style rampage which you currently can't.

The cop system is annoying when you're just driving down the road and get a wanted star for no reason when you're right around the corner from the mission you're trying to start. And then you have to just drive around since if you're on foot they just always know where you are regardless.



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voldothegr8 posted...

The cop system is fucked but that is a thing they've said they'll fix. Again it doesn't really affect much anyway unless you want to go on a GTA style rampage which you currently can't.

That's kinda a big problem for an open world game like this though lol. The mechanics are there but they're so poorly implemented the game shits itself when you go for it.

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Yeah it has some issues, but it's at least 7/10 imo. The actual gameplay is fun, the art is pretty, and the story is great.

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Darmik posted...

That's kinda a big problem for an open world game like this though lol. The mechanics are there but they're so poorly implemented the game shits itself when you go for it.

Eh I've hardly ever interacted with the cops. It's still something that absolutely needs to be fixed, but overall it's a minor issue. There isn't exactly much of a reason to go on a rampage killing civilians when there are more than enough gang members standing around the city. But it would be nice to be able to do properly for those who want to roleplay as a cyberpsycho or something.

As for general NPC behavior, it's not great. But I don't particularly care much about games being immersive, so that's not something I'm too bothered by.

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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

Eh I've hardly ever interacted with the cops. It's still something that absolutely needs to be fixed, but overall it's a minor issue. There isn't exactly much of a reason to go on a rampage killing civilians when there are more than enough gang members standing around the city. But it would be nice to be able to do properly for those who want to roleplay as a cyberpsycho or something.

As for general NPC behavior, it's not great. But I don't particularly care much about games being immersive, so that's not something I'm too bothered by.

I get that you can ignore it so the issue doesn't happen but that goes against what an open world game is supposed to be really. It only exists because they clearly cut some huge corners to get the game out. So I consider it a pretty big flaw.

It would be one thing if it was basic and not rewarding like it is for games like Mafia but in this case the game barely functions when you go for it. It screams early access and being incomplete.

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i dropped the game when i saw the first boss being glitched out and not moving at all. i'll wait for the game to be fixed, if so

Darmik posted...

I get that you can ignore it so the issue doesn't happen but that goes against what an open world game is supposed to be really. It only exists because they clearly cut some huge corners to get the game out. So I consider it a pretty big flaw.

It would be one thing if it was basic and not rewarding like it is for games like Mafia but in this case the game barely functions when you go for it. It screams early access and being incomplete.

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Id say its 7/10 game.

There's a lot that annoys me about it.

a guy at work with a big poofball beanie that has ZELDA and the triforce knitted into it told me its actually a good game and to not believe the press, so i think you're wrong op

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ultimate reaver posted...

a guy at work with a big poofball beanie that has ZELDA and the triforce knitted into it told me its actually a good game and to not believe the press, so i think you're wrong op

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IndustrialTrudg posted...

4/10 implies it's better than The Witcher 3

It is

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Some elements of the game are a 4, but some others are a good 8 or 9, will be good to see the finished game.

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I mean this game isn't GTA. It's not built on emergent npc behavior and not really a sandbox game. People are forgetting it's still a wrpg. Yes, it's open world but the design follows its own path.

I mean in GTA there's not as many interiors that are seamless as Cyberpunk. I can't build my character in a roleplaying manner in GTA. Enemies don't scale based on type and location. The side missions don't go as into depth as Cyberpunk. Since 2001 Rockstar hasn't made a fully original city from the ground up like Night City. The gunplay and hacking in Cyberpunk is more refined than GTA. It has stealth elements as well.

Yes, I am defending a buggy game. Sue me. Subjectively I love the game.

wesastro911 posted...

I mean this game isn't GTA. It's not built on emergent npc behavior and not really a sandbox game. People are forgetting it's still a wrpg. Yes, it's open world but the design follows its own path.

"Cyberpunk 2077 will feature over 1,000 unique NPCs that have their own unique daily routines" - CDPR

Get the fuck outta here

Rockstar also said in San Andreas you'd be able to pick up hitchhikers in a preview.

JoeRodonExprien posted...

"Cyberpunk 2077 will feature over 1,000 unique NPCs that have their own unique daily routines" - CDPR

Get the fuck outta here

The NPCs in my game only have one routine



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wesastro911 posted...

Rockstar also said in San Andreas you'd be able to pick up hitchhikers in a preview.

Rockstar also developed smarter open world AI than Cyperpunk 2077 18 years ago.

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JoeRodonExprien posted...

* No NPC Day/Night cycle. NPCs spawn and despawn outside of the player's view.

* If an NPC is doing an action, they will do that action forever until the player moves.

* NPCs that are not story/side quest related have one dialog reply.

* NPCs in a car will follow a specific route.

* NPCs will not attempt to steal their vehicle back if you steal it from them.

* Police to not attempt to question, warn, or arrest the player for even the smallest crime commited, for example if you bump into them or accidently enter a private area.

* NPCs will rarely thank or acknowledge the player if they are helped by the player.

* Scripted NPCs that have dialog will say their dialog then proceed to stand there forever. They will also repeat the same dialog if the player leaves the area and visits again later.

Ive removed the legit criticisms and just left the nitpicks. Gamers need to learn the difference because if you are complaining about shit that nearly every other video game does then you just come across like whiners.

Most open world games have these kinds of problems. Its not gonna be real life people. At some point. NPCS, are going to behave like NPCS.

Pick your arguments dude.


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I still have the game sitting in it's plastic wrap. I'm going to wait for the ps5 upgrade before installing it

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Don't forget the fantastic writing

https://imgur.com/Risw8el

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SwayM posted...

Ive removed the legit criticisms and just left the nitpicks. Gamers need to learn the difference because if you are complaining about shit that nearly every other video game does then you just come across like whiners.

Most open world games have these kinds of problems. Its not gonna be real life people. At some point. NPCS, are going to behave like NPCS.

Pick your arguments dude.

Nah the NPC AI for Cyerpunk 2077 is bottom of the barrel for basically any other open world game in a city. In fact I challenge you to find one that is worse. Every one that I have played has all of the things listed if there's gameplay that leads to those events occurring (like saving a pedestrian from a criminal).

In fact GTAIII does the majority of the things in your nitpick list.

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Darmik posted...

Nah the NPC AI for Cyerpunk 2077 is bottom of the barrel for basically any other open world game in a city. In fact I challenge you to find one that is worse. Every one that I have played has all of the things listed if there's gameplay that leads to those events occurring (like saving a pedestrian from a criminal).

In fact GTAIII does the majority of the things in your nitpick list.

Dude this is the shit Im talking about. There are SERIOUS problems with the AI but NPCS behaving like NPCS isnt the damn problem. Pick your battles my guy.

Spawning shit outside the players view is literally how a lot of games need to function in order to to not grind to a halt. No GTA is rendering a whole city and all the NPCs all at once. they all do this same shit. They also all still have the same weird physics thing where the second you get in a car, that same car then is WAY more likely to appear.

It took them how many games to figure out how stop the AI from Getting impatient with you if you stopped at a red light and followed actual traffic rules. They used to try and ram you or get around you at red lights.

Pedestrians in GTA arent going to have important lines of dialogue. You cant even talk to them. You can make them spill lines like some kind of toy with a pull string...but you know thats all they are.

Cops have gotten better. But they also just used to try and kill you for the most minor infraction.

one developer has 23 years of experience making the same type of game. The expectations that CDPR should be able to create a clone of that their first time at bat is nonsense. Again, this isnt a free slate to make legitimately bad AI and broken systems. This is me telling you not to lump nitpicks in with complaints.


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SwayM posted...

Spawning shit outside the players view is literally how a lot of games need to function in order to to not grind to a halt. No GTA is rendering a whole city and all the NPCs all at once. they all do this same shit. They also all still have the same

Yeah except in CP2077 there's a lot of stuff spawning and disappearing while you're staring at it. I've had police digitize right in front of me and blast me in the face. I've been driving down desert roads at night and watched taillights of the cars down the road disappear as I get closer. I had a car today disappear as it was turning at an intersection, and the driver was Wonder Womaning away down the street.

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Hexenherz posted...

Yeah except in CP2077 there's a lot of stuff spawning and disappearing while you're staring at it. I've had police digitize right in front of me and blast me in the face. I've been driving down desert roads at night and watched taillights of the cars down the road disappear as I get closer.

Thats a legitimate complaint. The wording of the OP Is nitpicking how other open world games function

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https://youtu.be/EL8e2ujXe8g

had this happen to me a few nights ago and was rolling. first major bug so far (audio added in for maximum updoots)
https://i.imgur.com/SfVNlos.mp4

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SwayM posted...

Spawning shit outside the players view is literally how a lot of games need to function in order to to not grind to a halt. No GTA is rendering a whole city and all the NPCs all at once. they all do this same shit. They also all still have the same weird physics thing where the second you get in a car, that same car then is WAY more likely to appear.

You're not getting the complaint if this is what you think the issue is. The problem is the game doesn't hide it at all and it's obvious.

All racing games have a form of rubber banding but that doesn't mean it's always done well.

SwayM posted...

It took them how many games to figure out how stop the AI from Getting impatient with you if you stopped at a red light and followed actual traffic rules. They used to try and ram you or get around you at red lights.

And Cyberpunk 2077 AI does absolutely nothing. They sit there. That's it. There is no AI for the traffic. It's on rails and will stop if you block them. That's the complaint.

SwayM posted...

Pedestrians in GTA arent going to have important lines of dialogue. You cant even talk to them. You can make them spill lines like some kind of toy with a pull string...but you know thats all they are.

That's literally what they are in Cyberpunk 2077. You press a button and they say one or two lines. Why does this prompt even exist? GTA pedestrians actually say more and they don't have a prompt!

SwayM posted...

one developer has 23 years of experience making the same type of game. The expectations that CDPR should be able to create a clone of that their first time at bat is nonsense. Again, this isnt a free slate to make legitimately bad AI and broken systems. This is me telling you not to lump nitpicks in with complaints.

Except as pointed out GTA3 did this better. When I blocked traffic in GTA3 someone stole the truck in front of me and ran over pedestrians as they flee. This cannot happen in Cyberpunk 2077 because the AI literally only do nothing or flee.

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Not trying to sound like I'm defending the rushed quality of the game, but a majority of the things in TC's post won't impact 99.9% of players and are simply trivial complaints for the sake of complaining.

The only few that really suck and impact gameplay for >0.01% of players are:

...every other NPC in a large circle around the player will crouch to the floor in the same animation, even if they did not see the original assault.
-This one simply looks dumb visually, I'd rather see them run away. But the only reason I even included this one is because I was doing a gang thing and shots started, but an NPC was crouched on a fire escape-type of stairway, and I literally couldn't get around him to go up to fight the gang. Hindsight is I probably could've shot him, but I wasn't exactly thinking of that at the time.

Police to not attempt to question, warn, or arrest the player for even the smallest crime commited, for example if you bump into them or accidently enter a private area.
-This one actually is annoying. I sometimes have to get up close to the cops since they have the little yellow enemy icon over their heads (to see if they're cops or bad guys), but get even remotely too close to them and they immediately get aggroed.

Police are incapable of driving cars and chasing the player if they drive away.
-Also very stupid, but the flipside is, given how easy it is to aggro cops for nothing, I'd be annoyed if me literally walking down the street ended up with me wasting ten minutes in a car chase trying to flee because I got too close to a cop. Logically it's dumb, but if the cops are going to get aggroed at anything, then this is the type of thing I'll accept as a trade-off.

Police will know if the player has attacked an NPC in the middle of the badlands and spawn next to the player, without vehicles.
-Very stupid. I have noticed the bounty/cop system is a little too trigger-happy, this doesn't help.

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The rest of these are extremely trivial gripes (non-quest related NPCs having one line, no cycles, repeating actions, etc.) and/or can actually be explained if you think about it

NPCs will not acknowledge the player if they run the player over with their car.
-A hit and run in Night City? Color me shocked, I'm not surprised the person wouldn't get out and try to apologize for fear of probably getting shot immediately. I'd keep driving too.

NPCs will not attempt to steal their vehicle back if you steal it from them.
-Same idea. Guy steals my car, he's probably got many guns. I've got nothing. He can take it.

NPCs will rarely thank or acknowledge the player if they are helped by the player.
-Realistically I'd be a little jipped by not getting a thank you as well, but I'd probably bolt as soon as the shooting ended and I saw my window to flee to safety. But even being able to prompt a little one-liner "you're safe now" to a crouched NPC in an assault/crime area would help immensely. I don't even need a reward, it just looks silly seeing a frightened NPC in an area that is now totally safe, I'd like to be able to tell them that.

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So, yeah, I agree it's not great programming, but the tl;dr is a big chunk of these are minor and don't impact gameplay at all unless you're specifically looking for things to gripe about because it's the hip thing to do right now.

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