Current Events > Tulsi Gabbard gives her thoughts on vaccinating 'essential workers'.

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https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard/status/1341027010353750016?s=21

Future president.

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She's an absolute dumbass.

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Literally the perfect woman.

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Id blow her back out but stupid af take

shes right? nvm forgot this is CE where theyre extremely bitter towards the elderly

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Just change parties already and be done with it. Christ.

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Shes a little smoking.

Bitch

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Ryuko_Chan posted...

shes right? nvm forgot this is CE where theyre extremely bitter towards the elderly

Didn't realize that retired seniors are constantly exposed to the virus

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So glad we dodged that dumbass bullet.

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"essential workers"

Fuck this rightwing bag of shit.

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After a year of "if you go out you're killing your and my grandparents" it IS a bit weird that they're being pushed to the back of the line now that there's a vaccine.

Prioritize those most at risk. Isn't that the ethical thing to do?

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Phynaster posted...

"essential workers"

Fuck this rightwing bag of shit.

i would say the right wing position is to first vaccinate the people who produce the most $ over the people who are most likely to die, but ok.

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GOP 5 months ago: Our elderly should be willing to die to reopen the economy

GOP (yes, I consider Tulsi a conservative) now: The elderly arent at the front of the line?! Stop killing grandma!

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s0nicfan posted...

After a year of "if you go out you're killing your and my grandparents" it IS a bit weird that they're being pushed to the back of the line now that there's a vaccine.

Prioritize those most at risk. Isn't that the ethical thing to do?

Yes, the most at risk are the people who still have to work because others (such as retired seniors) still need groceries, utilities, education, and entertainment.

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ZMythos posted...

Yes, the most at risk are the people who still have to work because others (such as retired seniors) still need groceries, utilities, and entertainment.

The most at risk are those most likely to die.

Edit:
https://feeds.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/coronavirus-deaths-older-adults.html?_amp=true

In a pandemic filled with grim statistics, one of the grimmest has gone largely unnoticed: 95 percent of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. have occurred among people who were 50 or older. This even though the majority of coronavirus cases have been reported in people under age 50.

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Phynaster posted...

"essential workers"

Fuck this rightwing bag of shit.

Look man getting taco bell at 1:30 am is really nice but it's not essential. Elderly people should absolutely have priority.

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s0nicfan posted...

The most at risk are those most likely to die.

Edit:
https://feeds.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/coronavirus-deaths-older-adults.html?_amp=true

I agree that they need to be protected, but vaccinating the frontline workers first means they're less likely to be carriers, no?

Retired folks stay at home all day (or at least they should be), so how are they getting the illness in the first place? Either they're going out in public and/or ignoring mask mandates, hygiene, and social distancing; or they're getting it from their kids, grandkids, etc. We live in an era of ecommerce, mass delivery, and instant entertainment and communication. Those who are at the greatest risk of dying from the disease should not be putting themselves (or themselves be put in) situations where they can contract it.

Granted there are people over 50 who are still working and they are especially at risk, but if they're essential workers then they'll get vaccinated anyway.

So yes, I believe that we should be distributing it first to the people most likely to catch and spread it. If we vaccinate them first, elderly folks will be less likely to contract it from those sources.

If I'm wrong and one can still be a carrier/spreader with the vaccine, then I'll reconsider my position.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Look man getting taco bell at 1:30 am is really nice but it's not essential. Elderly people should absolutely have priority.

Nobody is arguing that it is essential, but it is, legally, deemed essential and so those workers are forced to face this risk. How do you not get this?

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BeantownHero posted...

GOP 5 months ago: Our elderly should be willing to die to reopen the economy

GOP (yes, I consider Tulsi a conservative) now: The elderly arent at the front of the line?! Stop killing grandma!

you 5 months ago: we should protect those most at risk, the elderly

you now: we should protect those who produce the most $

me 5 months ago: we should protect those most at risk, the elderly

me now: we should protect those most at risk, the elderly

@BeantownHero

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tulsi's been picking some strange political hills to die on lately

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Tactical_Spork posted...

Nobody is arguing that it is essential, but it is, legally, deemed essential and so those workers are forced to face this risk. How do you not get this?

They are most at risk of catching it not most are risk of dying from it. It is basic triage to protect those most vulnerable. It also keeps hospital capacity down since healthy liquor store workers are more likely to be able to survive without hospitalization. It's better for everyone to give it to the elderly first.

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TheMikh posted...

tulsi's been picking some strange political hills to die on lately

She's desperate for Fox/Newsmax/OAN to send her a job offer (since that's literally all she's been auditioning for since she announced her "candidacy"), since she's about to be unemployed.

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Its boils down to the question whether we should first vaccinate those that are most at risk of catching the disease vs those at risk dying from it. I side with the latter

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I do agree that old people should get the vaccine before liquor store workers. This doesnt seem controversial.

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BilalPowell posted...

I do agree that old people should get the vaccine before liquor store workers. This doesnt seem controversial.

Liquor store worker is more likely to have multiple contacts that can bring it back to his grandma.

Vaccinate the essential workers so the elderly don't get COVID trying to get the vaccine

CrimsonWaffle posted...

Just change parties already and be done with it. Christ.

Id eat her whole a

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CruelBuffalo posted...

Liquor store worker is more likely to have multiple contacts that can bring it back to his grandma.

This. What is hard to understand about this?
Shes a fucking moron.

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DemonBuffet posted...

This. What is hard to understand about this?
Shes a fucking moron.

Tulsi Gabbard and her moron incel fanboys are morons so not shocking

Ryuko_Chan posted...

you 5 months ago: we should protect those most at risk, the elderly

you now: we should protect those who produce the most $

me 5 months ago: we should protect those most at risk, the elderly

me now: we should protect those most at risk, the elderly

@BeantownHero

Conservatives want the economy open (at any cost) AND to concern troll Democrats at the same time lmao


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Kinda interesting dilemma, I can see both arguments. Wonder which strategy would result in more "gains" (which we can interpret as less deaths for simplicity). I suspect the regardless of the answer, the strat they are going with would be the more economically beneficial

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s0nicfan posted...

Prioritize those most at risk. Isn't that the ethical thing to do?

Yeah so it makes sense people who are out and deal with the larger public daily are first in line.

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DEKMStephens posted...

Kinda interesting dilemma, I can see both arguments. Wonder which strategy would result in more "gains" (which we can interpret as less deaths for simplicity). I suspect the regardless of the answer, the strat they are going with would be the more economically beneficial

Vaccinating the elderly will objectively result in less deaths between the two options. See my links above.

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Why is she so fucking stupid, i don't get it lol
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Sad she turned alt-right, hope Hawaii recalls her ass

Uhh pretty sure the CDC is saying to vaccinate healthcare workers and the elderly in long term facilities first, so...what's the problem? After that I think the next groups include essential workers, people over 65, and people with preexisting conditions.

Is this incorrect? Did it change? If not, what's Tulsi complaining about?

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Kingbuffet posted...

Sad she turned alt-right, hope Hawaii recalls her ass

She already is out. Shes done in Jan

s0nicfan posted...

Prioritize those most at risk. Isn't that the ethical thing to do?

That's what we're doing up here. We're prioritizing high risk and frontline essential workers. That includes indigenous groups, the elderly, and frontline medical staff over a certain age. They are the first.

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Also fuck her for trying to say the CDC scientists shouldn't make this decision just because they weren't elected, but for some reason unqualified elected politicians (like her, I'm sure...) somehow could make these fact based decisions better.

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s0nicfan posted...

Vaccinating the elderly will objectively result in less deaths between the two options. See my links above.

the elderly are most at risk of dying if they catch it. Making sure the essential workers theyre most usually in contact with dont give it to them in the first place feeds two birds with one scone.


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TendoDRM posted...

Uhh pretty sure the CDC is saying to vaccinate healthcare workers and the elderly in long term facilities first, so...what's the problem? After that I think the next groups include essential workers, people over 65, and people with preexisting conditions.

Is this incorrect? Did it change? If not, what's Tulsi complaining about?

It's drama from this article from a few days ago. The CDC has since come out saying elderly first.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/05/health/covid-vaccine-first.html
Specifically it was this quote that kicked the drama off:

Harald Schmidt, an expert in ethics and health policy at the University of Pennsylvania, said that it is reasonable to put essential workers ahead of older adults, given their risks, and that they are disproportionately minorities. Older populations are whiter, Dr. Schmidt said. Society is structured in a way that enables them to live longer. Instead of giving additional health benefits to those who already had more of them, we can start to level the playing field a bit.

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CruelBuffalo posted...

She already is out. Shes done in Jan

Oh hell yeah good job Hawaii

Its up to each state to decide who should be vaccinated first and it shouldn't be based on who has the most political clout and it shouldn't be done stupidly. She has a point. A 22 year old with no health problems shouldn't be at the front of the line because their state decides that working at a gas station makes them 'essential'.

Atralis posted...

Its up to each state to decide who should be vaccinated first and it shouldn't be based on who has the most political clout and it shouldn't be done stupidly. She has a point. A 22 year old with no health problems shouldn't be at the front of the line because their state decides that working at a gas station makes them 'essential'.

Pretty sure they're among the first because they too interact with the larger public daily. She has no point.

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Cuomo sent thousands of elderly people to their deaths.