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AirFresh 12/16/20 11:03:07 AM #1:	Do you agree the committee here? Yes No Do you agree the committee here? - Results (26 votes) Yes 26.92% (7 votes) 7 No 73.08% (19 votes) 19 https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-politics/article/Abraham-Lincoln-was-once-a-hero-In-some-S-F-15798744.php Abraham Lincoln, an iconic American hero, could soon be an outcast in San Francisco, his legacy called into question and his name ripped off a high school. Lincoln is one of dozens of historical figures who, according to a school district renaming committee, lived a life so stained with racism, oppression or human rights violations, they do not deserve to have their name on a school building. Uprooting the problematic names and symbols that currently clutter buildings, streets, throughout the city is a worthy endeavor, said Jeremiah Jeffries, chairman of the renaming committee and a first-grade teacher in San Francisco. Only good can come from the public being reflective and intentional about the power of our words, names and rhetoric within our public institutions. Critics have called the effort to rename 44 school sites, a full third of the districts schools, amateur citing the committees justifications pulled from Wikipedia or selective news sources rather than historical records or comprehensive research and a waste of time amid a pandemic. At least a few names on the list raised eyebrows, including El Dorado, literally translated to City of Gold, and Dianne Feinstein, who landed on the list because as mayor in the 1980s, she replaced a vandalized Confederate flag in front of City Hall. The history of Lincoln and Native Americans is complicated, not nearly as well known as that of the Civil War and slavery, he said. Lincoln, like the presidents before him and most after, did not show through policy or rhetoric that Black lives ever mattered to them outside of human capital and as casualties of wealth building. --- AirFresh - Voted the hottest content creator on The FAQs' #KeepItFresh #BoopTroop <cite>AirFresh posted [p:948400932] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote> Do you agree the committee here? Yes No Vote View Results Do you agree the committee here? - Results (26 votes) Yes 26.92% (7 votes) 7 No 73.08% (19 votes) 19 Show Voting Form https://www.sfchronicle.com/local-politics/article/Abraham-Lincoln-was-once-a-hero-In-some-S-F-15798744.php <quote>Abraham Lincoln, an iconic American hero, could soon be an outcast in San Francisco, his legacy called into question and his name ripped off a high school.</quote> <quote>Lincoln is one of dozens of historical figures who, according to a school district renaming committee, lived a life so stained with racism, oppression or human rights violations, they do not deserve to have their name on a school building.</quote> <quote>Uprooting the problematic names and symbols that currently clutter buildings, streets, throughout the city is a worthy endeavor, said Jeremiah Jeffries, chairman of the renaming committee and a first-grade teacher in San Francisco. Only good can come from the public being reflective and intentional about the power of our words, names and rhetoric within our public institutions.</quote> <quote>Critics have called the effort to rename 44 school sites, a full third of the districts schools, amateur citing the committees justifications pulled from Wikipedia or selective news sources rather than historical records or comprehensive research and a waste of time amid a pandemic.</quote> <quote>At least a few names on the list raised eyebrows, including El Dorado, literally translated to City of Gold, and Dianne Feinstein, who landed on the list because as mayor in the 1980s, she replaced a vandalized Confederate flag in front of City Hall.</quote> <quote>The history of Lincoln and Native Americans is complicated, not nearly as well known as that of the Civil War and slavery, he said. Lincoln, like the presidents before him and most after, did not show through policy or rhetoric that Black lives ever mattered to them outside of human capital and as casualties of wealth building.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 12/16/20 11:04:05 AM #2:	abolish history --- i'm Trent B and i get respect your cash and your jewelry is what i expect <cite>The Trent posted [p:948400958] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>abolish history </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HelloImaPC 12/16/20 11:04:39 AM #3:	Lincoln said if he could end the Civil War without freeing the slaves, he would. Fair, next --- People who looked at this writing in my sig: 34,931 <cite>HelloImaPC posted [p:948400977] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>Lincoln said if he could end the Civil War without freeing the slaves, he would. Fair, next </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ElatedVenusaur 12/16/20 11:05:11 AM #5:	Imagine thinking Lincoln is problematic, but seriously considering naming a high school after Diane Feinstein. It's like they heard about re-examining historical figures via an especially long game of telephone. <cite>ElatedVenusaur posted [p:948401001] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>Imagine thinking Lincoln is problematic, but seriously considering naming a high school after Diane Feinstein. It's like they heard about re-examining historical figures via an especially long game of telephone. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SquirtleSkwad 12/16/20 11:06:29 AM #6:	This makes me want to go to my college's Lincoln exhibit even more now. --- "If you cannot explain it simply, you do not understand it well enough."-Albert Einstein <cite>SquirtleSkwad posted [p:948401046] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>This makes me want to go to my college's Lincoln exhibit even more now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 12/16/20 11:08:13 AM #7:	Why don't we just stop naming buildings and stuff after dead people, entirely? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:948401089] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>Why don't we just stop naming buildings and stuff after dead people, entirely? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 12/16/20 11:08:48 AM #8:	Questionmarktarius posted... Why don't we just stop naming buildings and stuff after dead people, entirely? and if they're already built and named after a dead person, we just knock it down and act like it never happened --- i'm Trent B and i get respect your cash and your jewelry is what i expect <cite>The Trent posted [p:948401105] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Why don't we just stop naming buildings and stuff after dead people, entirely?</quote> and if they're already built and named after a dead person, we just knock it down and act like it never happened </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SquirtleSkwad 12/16/20 11:09:45 AM #9:	HelloImaPC posted... Lincoln said if he could end the Civil War without freeing the slaves, he would. Fair, next You're leaving out a lot of that quote. --- "If you cannot explain it simply, you do not understand it well enough."-Albert Einstein <cite>SquirtleSkwad posted [p:948401132] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>HelloImaPC posted... </cite> <quote>Lincoln said if he could end the Civil War without freeing the slaves, he would. Fair, next</quote>You're leaving out a lot of that quote. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 12/16/20 11:10:44 AM #10:	tbf he's trolling so he's done well for himself there --- i'm Trent B and i get respect your cash and your jewelry is what i expect <cite>The Trent posted [p:948401161] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>tbf he's trolling so he's done well for himself there </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hippocrates 12/16/20 11:11:47 AM #11:	That's fine, I don't care about the statues or buildings in honor of dead people and neither do they <cite>Hippocrates posted [p:948401198] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>That's fine, I don't care about the statues or buildings in honor of dead people and neither do they </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 12/16/20 11:11:58 AM #12:	Showing my white privilege here I guess but I really just can't help thinking that none of this would be happening if people weren't absolutely bored shitless out of their minds right now --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:948401203] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>Showing my white privilege here I guess but I really just can't help thinking that none of this would be happening if people weren't absolutely bored shitless out of their minds right now </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HelloImaPC 12/16/20 11:14:33 AM #14:	SquirtleSkwad posted... You're leaving out a lot of that quote. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. --- People who looked at this writing in my sig: 34,931 <cite>HelloImaPC posted [p:948401290] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>SquirtleSkwad posted... </cite> <quote>You're leaving out a lot of that quote.</quote> If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 12/16/20 11:14:37 AM #15:	I mean this will fuel conservatives but.. They have a point? Lincoln was not a good man. If you're going to argue that nasty, racist of the past should not be deified in the modern day, it does ring a bit hollow when you say "Oh but not that one cuz I like him, he was one of the good ones!" That's fanboyism. Lincoln opposed slavery sure but he was still racist. He thought whites where superior, was against equal rights, was pro-colonalism and despite being "Against" slavery to him it's like how people today are "Against carbon emissions" he would have allowed Slavery to exist to avoid the civil war. And a lot of his opposition to slavery was political as well as moral. You basically have to decide, do you judge people based on the standards of their time or the standards of today And whichever you pick it becomes hard to say "Well I like that one but the others have to go." --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:948401293] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>I mean this will fuel conservatives but.. They have a point? Lincoln was not a good man. If you're going to argue that nasty, racist of the past should not be deified in the modern day, it does ring a bit hollow when you say "Oh but not that one cuz I like him, he was one of the good ones!" That's fanboyism. Lincoln opposed slavery sure but he was still racist. He thought whites where superior, was against equal rights, was pro-colonalism and despite being "Against" slavery to him it's like how people today are "Against carbon emissions" he would have allowed Slavery to exist to avoid the civil war. And a lot of his opposition to slavery was political as well as moral. You basically have to decide, do you judge people based on the standards of their time or the standards of today And whichever you pick it becomes hard to say "Well I like that one but the others have to go." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 12/16/20 11:14:58 AM #16:	UnfairRepresent posted... ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! --- i'm Trent B and i get respect your cash and your jewelry is what i expect <cite>The Trent posted [p:948401304] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>^ Hey now that's completely unfair!</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 12/16/20 11:15:06 AM #17:	HelloImaPC posted... If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others in bondage I would also do that. Fixed for you. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:948401309] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>HelloImaPC posted... </cite> <quote>If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others in bondage I would also do that.</quote> Fixed for you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 12/16/20 11:15:35 AM #18:	This was brought up during the beginning of this new school year which was the dumbest time and the dumbest things to put on the priorities of admin and teachers WHILE THEY ARE WORKING ON PLANS FOR A FUCKING PANDEMIC. Kids will not die by attending a school named Diane Feinstein. Tackle this shit after. <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:948401322] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>This was brought up during the beginning of this new school year which was the dumbest time and the dumbest things to put on the priorities of admin and teachers WHILE THEY ARE WORKING ON PLANS FOR A FUCKING PANDEMIC. Kids will not die by attending a school named Diane Feinstein. Tackle this shit after.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SquirtleSkwad 12/16/20 11:16:09 AM #19:	The Trent posted... tbf he's trolling so he's done well for himself there Gotcha. --- "If you cannot explain it simply, you do not understand it well enough."-Albert Einstein <cite>SquirtleSkwad posted [p:948401339] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>The Trent posted... </cite> <quote>tbf he's trolling so he's done well for himself there</quote>Gotcha. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HelloImaPC 12/16/20 11:20:03 AM #20:	UnfairRepresent posted... Fixed for you. what'd you fix? I posted the quote. He says it right there. --- People who looked at this writing in my sig: 34,931 <cite>HelloImaPC posted [p:948401489] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Fixed for you.</quote> what'd you fix? I posted the quote. He says it right there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SquirtleSkwad 12/16/20 11:20:39 AM #21:	UnfairRepresent posted... I mean this will fuel conservatives but.. They have a point? Lincoln was not a good man. If you're going to argue that nasty, racist of the past should not be deified in the modern day, it does ring a bit hollow when you say "Oh but not that one cuz I like him, he was one of the good ones!" That's fanboyism. Lincoln opposed slavery sure but he was still racist. He thought whites where superior, was against equal rights, was pro-colonalism and despite being "Against" slavery to him it's like how people today are "Against carbon emissions" he would have allowed Slavery to exist to avoid the civil war. And a lot of his opposition to slavery was political as well as moral. You basically have to decide, do you judge people based on the standards of their time or the standards of today And whichever you pick it becomes hard to say "Well I like that one but the others have to go." Nailed it. --- "If you cannot explain it simply, you do not understand it well enough."-Albert Einstein <cite>SquirtleSkwad posted [p:948401516] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>I mean this will fuel conservatives but.. They have a point? Lincoln was not a good man. If you're going to argue that nasty, racist of the past should not be deified in the modern day, it does ring a bit hollow when you say "Oh but not that one cuz I like him, he was one of the good ones!" That's fanboyism. Lincoln opposed slavery sure but he was still racist. He thought whites where superior, was against equal rights, was pro-colonalism and despite being "Against" slavery to him it's like how people today are "Against carbon emissions" he would have allowed Slavery to exist to avoid the civil war. And a lot of his opposition to slavery was political as well as moral. You basically have to decide, do you judge people based on the standards of their time or the standards of today And whichever you pick it becomes hard to say "Well I like that one but the others have to go."</quote>Nailed it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Chairoff 12/16/20 11:24:40 AM #22:	SquirtleSkwad posted... You're leaving out a lot of that quote. It was a political move. Lincoln wasnt some benevolent abolitionist --- May God pick up the pieces of dreams that fall apart <cite>Chairoff posted [p:948401656] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>SquirtleSkwad posted... </cite> <quote>You're leaving out a lot of that quote.</quote> It was a political move. Lincoln wasnt some benevolent abolitionist </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SquirtleSkwad 12/16/20 11:28:40 AM #23:	Chairoff posted... It was a political move. Lincoln wasnt some benevolent abolitionist I know. I just don't think it's fair to shit on him by today's standards. --- "If you cannot explain it simply, you do not understand it well enough."-Albert Einstein <cite>SquirtleSkwad posted [p:948401767] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>Chairoff posted... </cite> <quote>It was a political move. Lincoln wasnt some benevolent abolitionist</quote>I know. I just don't think it's fair to shit on him by today's standards. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenlaar 12/16/20 11:30:32 AM #24:	We never should have gotten into the habit of using historical names for buildings the way that we do. I'm fine with working away from that. <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:948401832] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>We never should have gotten into the habit of using historical names for buildings the way that we do. I'm fine with working away from that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sariana21 12/16/20 11:36:29 AM #25:	This is San Francisco. It's not the real world. Don't use San Francisco's weird-ass politics as a point of conversation. It's San Francisco. They live and die by being weird. I love San Francisco. I live in the Tri-Valley area and love the Bay Area. But San Francisco politicians are weird. It's just the truth. --- ___ Sari, Mom to DS (07/04) and DD (01/08); Pronouns: she/her/hers <cite>Sariana21 posted [p:948402053] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>This is San Francisco. It's not the real world. Don't use San Francisco's weird-ass politics as a point of conversation. It's San Francisco. They live and die by being weird. I love San Francisco. I live in the Tri-Valley area and love the Bay Area. But San Francisco politicians are weird. It's just the truth. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SquirtleSkwad 12/16/20 11:38:19 AM #26:	Sariana21 posted... This is San Francisco. It's not the real world. Don't use San Francisco's weird-ass politics as a point of conversation. It's San Francisco. They live and die by being weird. I love San Francisco. I live in the Tri-Valley area and love the Bay Area. But San Francisco politicians are weird. It's just the truth. Do they play with slinkies and kazoos when they give speeches while sporting a handlebar mustache? --- "If you cannot explain it simply, you do not understand it well enough."-Albert Einstein <cite>SquirtleSkwad posted [p:948402126] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>Sariana21 posted... </cite> <quote>This is San Francisco. It's not the real world. Don't use San Francisco's weird-ass politics as a point of conversation. It's San Francisco. They live and die by being weird. I love San Francisco. I live in the Tri-Valley area and love the Bay Area. But San Francisco politicians are weird. It's just the truth.</quote>Do they play with slinkies and kazoos when they give speeches while sporting a handlebar mustache? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CruelBuffalo 12/16/20 11:39:22 AM #27:	Sariana21 posted... This is San Francisco. It's not the real world. Don't use San Francisco's weird-ass politics as a point of conversation. It's San Francisco. They live and die by being weird. I love San Francisco. I live in the Tri-Valley area and love the Bay Area. But San Francisco politicians are weird. It's just the truth. SF politics is just posturing to your base without getting anything done. <cite>CruelBuffalo posted [p:948402156] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>Sariana21 posted...</cite> <quote>This is San Francisco. It's not the real world. Don't use San Francisco's weird-ass politics as a point of conversation. It's San Francisco. They live and die by being weird. I love San Francisco. I live in the Tri-Valley area and love the Bay Area. But San Francisco politicians are weird. It's just the truth. </quote> SF politics is just posturing to your base without getting anything done.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 12/16/20 11:40:41 AM #28:	The name wasn't changed. It's just going to be put into a vote if I'm not mistaken --- Pitter-patter, let's get at 'er <cite>emblem boy posted [p:948402203] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>The name wasn't changed. It's just going to be put into a vote if I'm not mistaken</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
coolcono 12/16/20 11:40:53 AM #29:	I don't want to live on this planet anymore. --- psn- trucano <cite>coolcono posted [p:948402211] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>I don't want to live on this planet anymore. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lord_Wombat 12/16/20 11:50:59 AM #30:	Lolol --- Night will come and I will follow For my victims, no tomorrow <cite>Lord_Wombat posted [p:948402615] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>Lolol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MKScorpion 12/16/20 12:34:22 PM #31:	AirFresh posted... in San Francisco This is the problem. Lets not act like this is the rest of the country, its just San Francisco lol <cite>MKScorpion posted [p:948404323] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>AirFresh posted... </cite> <quote>in San Francisco</quote> This is the problem. Lets not act like this is the rest of the country, its just San Francisco lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Monolith1676 12/16/20 4:19:56 PM #32:	San Francisco, where slippery slopes are born. --- Gears of War 1 Assassination Legend <cite>Monolith1676 posted [p:948412823] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>San Francisco, where slippery slopes are born. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nothanks1 12/16/20 4:20:24 PM #33:	ERASE ALL HISTORY! MAGA! or something --- for the alcohlics https://www.aa.org/ <cite>nothanks1 posted [p:948412834] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>ERASE ALL HISTORY! MAGA! or something</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 12/16/20 4:22:55 PM #34:	Questionmarktarius posted... Why don't we just stop naming buildings and stuff after dead people, entirely? I like that idea. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:948412911] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Why don't we just stop naming buildings and stuff after dead people, entirely?</quote> I like that idea. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 12/16/20 4:55:20 PM #35:	nothanks1 posted... ERASE ALL HISTORY! MAGA! or something Changing names and removing statues is not erasing history. In fact it's usually the camp of people who refuse to rename things and insist statues remain who want to promote warped views of history and erase the truth. I'm not a fan of it either but if what's local communities want, I think other people stepping in to stop them is busybodying and big government --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:948414003] in Abraham Li... [t:79179345]...</cite> <quote>nothanks1 posted... </cite> <quote>ERASE ALL HISTORY! MAGA! or something</quote>Changing names and removing statues is not erasing history. In fact it's usually the camp of people who refuse to rename things and insist statues remain who want to promote warped views of history and erase the truth. I'm not a fan of it either but if what's local communities want, I think other people stepping in to stop them is busybodying and big government </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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