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I read his bio page and holy fuck that guy is a horrible person. Not only do I not feel bad but I don't think I can even listen to his music anymore. Not that I was a huge fan, I only liked 2 songs. But still, the rhetoric of "omg cruel world, rip" for his case is dumb af.

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His rise was based entirely on Zoomers trying to forcefully pick a decent rapper to represent their generation.

They still haven't found one.

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Nobody who is an adult does

Yeah, did you see what he did to his pregnant girlfriend? Hes piece of shit that deserve no respect

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Never understood the appeal.

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fuming posted...

Nobody who is an adult does

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Conflict posted...

Because even though he did shitty things it doesn't mean he deserved his outcome

His outcome was the one of the best possible things to happen for his son and baby momma. You really think a family where the dad tries to LITERALLY drown the mom IN A BATHTUB is a healthy family dynamic? Did his gf deserve to be beaten, slapped, and choked consistently? Did the people who's house he broke into deserve to be robbed? How about the stabbings?

You wanna talk about deserve, what about the harm someone commits. Do the victims deserve it? Life is not a game where everyone wins. The first step is to stop trying to be some overseer of cosmic energy and understand that you have standards.

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Conflict posted...

and instead should've done time for his crimes and had the opportunity to improve as a person".

Except in the US the prison system is about punishment/slavery and not about rehabilitation and self improvement so that was never a possibility.

Conflict posted...

I don't think it's exactly a controversial stance to say "a 20 year old shouldn't have gotten shot to death, and instead should've done time for his crimes and had the opportunity to improve as a person".

The way you're interpreting that statement is "he didn't deserve to get shot, therefore everyone he harmed deserved their outcome". Which is dumb. You're basically doing yoga with your brain right now.

Do soldiers deserve to die? How would wars have ever got settled if people didn't think themselves or others deserved to die? Do terrorists deserve to die? Gangbangers? Epstein? What about serial killers like John Wayne Gacy or Jeffrey Dahmer? Would you, personally, give the Sandy Hook guy a chance back in the community? Maybe you are actually truly empathic and I hope you do something good with that but it comes off naive to me, idk could be wrong though.

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Master Kazuya posted...

Do soldiers deserve to die? How would wars have ever got settled if people didn't think themselves or others deserved to die? Do terrorists deserve to die? Gangbangers? Epstein? What about serial killers like John Wayne Gacy or Jeffrey Dahmer? Would you, personally, give the Sandy Hook guy a chance back in the community? Maybe you are actually truly empathic and I hope you do something good with that but it comes off naive to me, idk could be wrong though.

Maybe I'm using this word wrong, but that kinda sounds like a Strawman.

Unlike people like Dahmer, or those mass shooters, X (be it for publicity or genuine reasons) was attempting to make a change for the better to help people. These examples aren't comparable in the slightest to remorseless murderers afaik

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StarReaper13 posted...

Maybe I'm using this word wrong, but that kinda sounds like a Strawman.

Unlike people like Dahmer, or those mass shooters, X (be it for publicity or genuine reasons) was attempting to make a change for the better to help people. These examples aren't comparable in the slightest to remorseless murderers afaik

Did he start by first working on himself and not committing any more abuse to those close to him or random acts of crime/violence, or was he presenting a public positive image while still doing that horrible shit in his private time?

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It would be nice if there was world peace and everyone loved each other. But the reality is a lot of people suck, and no one should cry when a horrible person dies because "he could have gotten better" and "at least he isn't a war criminal". I don't believe any human should have the right to choose when someone they deem bad dies, but it's not a tragedy when they pass.

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His life is more tragic than his death.

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Is that the one that ratted on all his friends?

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Conflict posted...

No, that's 6ix9ine

Also, those weren't his friends. Wrong on both cases lol

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

Also, those weren't his friends. Wrong on both cases lol

I mean, i'd stop being friends with someone who ratted me out to the cops too.

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

Also, those weren't his friends. Wrong on both cases lol

6ix9ine is another case of rappers not able to disassociate their success from the bullshit. He had the means to support himself financially and still you choose to do dumb shit and surround yourself with people who don't care for you and just use you for your money.

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pogo_rabid posted...

I mean, i'd stop being friends with someone who ratted me out to the cops too.

You should stop talking. Sometimes it's all it takes to look more knowledgeable.

ShineboxPhil posted...

6ix9ine is another case of rappers not able to disassociate their success from the bullshit. He had the means to support himself financially and still you choose to do dumb shit and surround yourself with people who don't care for you and just use you for your money.

His success was directly connected to the people who didn't care about him. He needed their support so he could be polarizing and talk shit. He'd of been nothing without the show.

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Conflict posted...

They weren't actually friends in the first place. 6ix9ine was part of a gang and he ratted out other members of that gang.

And he was only part of the gang as basically a business partner. "Let me talk my shit and make this money. Well you protect me and get paid". Little did he know they were robbing himbthe whole time.

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https://youtu.be/SIXardaYcHk

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

And he was only part of the gang as basically a business partner. "Let me talk my shit and make this money. Well you protect me and get paid". Little did he know they were robbing himbthe whole time.

iirc he was doing a lot more gangster shit than business partner shit

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I didn't. But I don't care about 99% of celeb deaths. Only one that I cared about at all recently was Wilford MFing Brimley, and that wasn't much

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Conflict posted...

They weren't actually friends in the first place. 6ix9ine was part of a gang and he ratted out other members of that gang.

He wasn't actually in any way affiliated with the Treyway Bloods. Dude wanted street cred so he sought them out by having them feature in his videos. All he had to do on his end was shoutout treyway, allow them to assault and kidnap him, let them smash his baby mama behind his back, and have them plot to kill him. Mutual interests both ways lol

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pogo_rabid posted...

iirc he was doing a lot more gangster shit than business partner shit

Which made it more comical that the treyway gang could have cared less for him

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pogo_rabid posted...

iirc he was doing a lot more gangster shit than business partner shit

Seemed more like gangster shit was happening to him and he was just talking shit.

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conflict will defend anybody just cause they died fyi

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Conflict posted...

No one's telling you to. The reason war criminals are even being mentioned in the first place is because TC brought them up.

Lol don't try to shift this on me, he's not addressing me he's addressing you, just using the same point as me.

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It seemed like towards the tail end before his demise he was turning a new leaf. At least thats what his fans say.

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Person: xxxtentacion was a terrible person no one should care about him.

(5 minutes later)

Same person: but why don't they care about black on black violence tho?

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Conflict posted...

He quoted me saying "he's not a war criminal" as if I was arguing that you should mourn XXX because he wasn't a complete bottom-of-the-barrel human, as opposed to just countering your absurd questions.

Holy shit go back and read his post. I think the fact that he quoted you made you so riled that you failed to absorb what he actually said. You guys actually arrive to the same conclusion. Stop being so quick to defend and attack, and just read. War criminals was not the main point of his post, neither was going after you. Addressing you is not the same as starting a conflict. It was an independent idea in between two extremes.

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SquirtleSkwad posted...

His rise was based entirely on Zoomers trying to forcefully pick a decent rapper to represent their generation.

They still haven't found one.

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Conflict posted...

Dude, you cannot talk about anyone "misreading" anything, considering what set this off.

You asked dumb questions about whether or not terrorists, war criminals and serial killers deserved to die, thinking it validated your stance about someone who was none of those three things deserving to get shot. I then pointed out those questions were stupid, and you completely misinterpreted "he didn't deserve his outcome", as if that statement meant that his actions towards other human beings were justified.

And no shit "war criminals" was not the point of his post, and I never suggested anyone was "going after me". You're being weirdly melodramatic. I simply made clarifications because the post looked like he was misinterpreting things like you are.

You keep readjusting your position (READ: readjusting, which doesn't mean straight up changing) every single post and act like that was the real thing you were saying from the beginning. First it was your original post, then it was well i guess i can see how you wouldnt feel remorse, then to some guy posting his own independent idea and you throwing me under the bus (read your own post) for something he WASN'T EVEN CLAIMING (first it was all about war criminals because I brought it up, then it's "no shit 'war criminals' was not the point of his post") to you claiming neutrality towards his post and acting like his post was irrelevant when that's the last thing you directly responded to. You cannot just keep readjusting your point and try to make me look/feel dumb for 'missing' it throughout your original post. YOUR IDEAS DEVELOPED and you created NUANCE throughout this topic. Holy shit. Stop trying to make it seem like you're misunderstood when you keep changing what you're coming at me for. If you have a problem with me there's nothing I can do and that's fine, but you absolutely cannot keep shifting just to keep a position of power to antagonize me. It's super disingenuous, and trying to undermine me (e.g. 'weirdly melodramatic') for getting frustrated with your tactic is the icing on the shit cake.

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Bad people being hella into rotten rap culture.

There's a lot of them unfortunately

I was completely fine parting ways until you did that whole war criminals thing to drag me back into that guys separate idea, and now you keep hammering it like I'm some overseer shadow that's surrounding this whole topic just here to antagonize you. Leave me and my ideas the fuck alone and don't drag me into things that don't concern me.

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Me bringing them up has nothing to do with what the entirety of his point was though. You are trying to tie A and C together when there's no B. You even said it

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Antagonizing me for no reason with his post. I then call you out that it had nothing to do with what was going on in his post.

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Reeling back once you were called out.

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Reverting BACK after you already said it had nothing to do with it and antagonizing me more. Bullying works for kids but you can't bully your way through an argument.

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How is this not antagonization? You are 100% attacking me. How can you expect rational replies when your posts are more and more polarizing with comments like this:

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There are other ways to engage me. We are not 14 years old, we both know the exact thing you're trying to do. Next time, just try to talk to me without throwing e-thug flexes.

Saying I brought up war criminals in a 3rd party post in which the main idea of the post was NOT about war criminals IS antagonizing. That's what's missing here. I said war criminals, he said war criminals as a tangent of his point (which be both agree it's a tangent to his point

And no shit "war criminals" was not the point of his post,

), but you tried to make the connection that his post was invalid because it tied to me in a very minute way. Which is it? Was his post going against you using my ideas as leverage, or was his post independent of either of us and he used the data already in the topic to form his own conclusion? Was it tied to me or was it independent? We both agree it's the latter

And no shit "war criminals" was not the point of his post,

But you initially tried to make it the former and are switching depending on whatever I say.

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Conflict posted...

I made those comments because this shit is actually hilarious and you're taking this way more seriously than necessary.

"haha LOL you're taking this sooo seriously even though I'm just as invested ROFL"

Conflict posted...

You weren't insulted, you weren't called names,

I trust that you are cognizant enough to know that constantly calling my questions/stance absurd, ridiculous, stupid, etc is antagonizing. I don't even need to quote every instance. You've been doing it from the beginning.

Conflict posted...

I just mentioned that you brought up certain people

No, you tried to discredit his post because it was similar to mine. When it really wasn't.

What kind of person believes all life is valuable but will consciously try to hurt others?

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