Current Events > People don't want vaccines because they are afraid of microchips harvesting data

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VipaGTS posted...

Why do you trust those? Because theyve been around longer?

Yes. Its not about any conspiracy shit IMO. Its about how proven the treatment is

people against the vaccine because they believe in some conspiracy are dumbasses though

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There hasnt been enough testing to collect data. I dont trust it. I have no faith a private entity wouldnt put profit before potential side effects or that the government(s) wouldnt green light an unproperly tested vaccine to restore public faith.

tote_all posted...

You do? For how long? What's the income cut off to be considered? Where exactly does the money come from to do this? When is it safe to stop funding millions of families?

Are you a child?

Lol trillion dollar military budget "we, uh, just cant find the money to support people in time of crisis "

People with severe health issues and without insurance dont get to see a doctor for free.... but this vaccine is free. They truly care about us all of a sudden.

tote_all posted...

I asked several questions. Please answer if you want to show you actually know what the fuck you're talking about. So far it's pretty clear you don't.

I could say the same of you. Youre just parroting empty politician talking points. They can find the money to bail out corporations and fund the military but they cant offer relief aid to citizens during a time of crisis. Strange, that

Lmfao.

tote_all posted...

bother to do his homework before opening his mouth.

u open ur mouth

VipaGTS posted...

So how come all the other vaccines are fine to you? Why were those not used for the same thing? Why do you trust those? Because theyve been around longer? So why now, with this one thats for a disease killing thousands a day, did they just decide to be evil about it?

The problem about the covd- 19 vaccine is that it's only tested for the here and now side effects. Nobody know about the long site effects. it could on worst scenario kill people years from now.

I understand its new and I have my concerns. But your argument of the government doesnt care about people therefore this is malicious doesnt track with that. Thats some conspiracy level shit. This wasnt made by Republican politicians tinkering in a lab. This was made be a reputable pharmaceutical company who makes all the medicine you probably deal with. Again, concerns about it being new are fine. Youre talking about a conspiracy by the government to do....something. Thats just stupid lol.

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VipaGTS posted...

This was made be a reputable pharmaceutical company

Look at pfizers record, just look.
Before u keep talkin

Jx1010 posted...

Look at pfizers record, just look.
Before u keep talkin

Right. So like I said. I understand its new I have concerns. Thats not whats being argued here. Read before you keep talking.

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Rika_Furude posted...

Yes. Its not about any conspiracy shit IMO. Its about how proven the treatment is

people against the vaccine because they believe in some conspiracy are dumbasses though

The benefit is proven tho

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I think most people are afraid to take the vaccine because they don't know what the long term effects might be since the vaccine hasn't been studied for the long term.

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I'm kind of afraid to take the vaccine because Trump pressured the FDA chief to authorize it right away.

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MaddenDude-- posted...

Yet they are okay with their cellphones harvesting all their personal information and selling it to companies and they are okay with the government tracking everything you say and type online and watching you through your webcams and phone cams because 'they have nothing to hide'.

Once again I must say I dont think they are doung this with thr vaccine but comparing that idea to a device you can toss in the trash at any time is kinda stupid.

If they do microchip my ass though I want cybernetic upgrades in the near future as being spyed on with no way out woulf be my only fear of such a thing.

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Monolith1676 posted...

I think most people are afraid to take the vaccine because they don't know what the long term effects might be since the vaccine hasn't been studied for the long term.

it hasnt even been a year

Jx1010 posted...

it hasnt even been a year

Hence

Monolith1676 posted...

I think most people are afraid to take the vaccine because they don't know what the long term effects might be since the vaccine hasn't been studied for the long term.

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Isnt the seasonal influenza vaccine in the same boat? They need to create a new vaccine every year to fight against the latest strain hence they cannot really test it long term amd everyone just takes it.

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samurai bandit posted...

Isnt the seasonal influenza vaccine in the same boat? They need to create a new vaccine every year to fight against the latest strain hence they cannot really test it long term amd everyone just takes it.

No its not because if u take care of urself, then u dont have to worry about the flu. Plenty of people go years without getting sick even once.

Anti-vaxxing is still wrong and they should all be publically shamed into submission. Stop volunteering people to be sacrificed for your "freedom".

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I just joke around whenever I say it'll lead to zombies and such. I don't actually believe that's going to happen. That's mostly me poking fun at how shit 2020 has been.

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Theres literally no downside to getting the flu vaccine, unless your in the very small percentage of people for where it is contraindicated or have a reaction to it.

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NM4 posted...

Theres literally no downside to getting the flu vaccine, unless your in the very small percentage of people for where it is contraindicated or have a reaction to it.

Like any vaccine

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You've got to admit though, it is hilarious to watch pretty much the same people who froth at the mouth with rabid hatred at the evils of socialism suddenly gibbering and ranting about the greed of capitalists who put profit above people's health and safety, and how no one can trust corporate America -- sounding just like the very socialists they claim to despise.

During the Cold War, right-wingers insisted that if you didn't profess blind faith in capitalism then you were a goddamn commie, an enemy of America who deserved to be blacklisted and locked up. So tell me: whatever made you lose faith that "greed is good", people? Why the lack of trust in private companies? How did you ever fall out of love with Wall Street and corporate America?

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It's more or less of having it done to you rather than your devices. Would you rather someone use a blowtorch on your phone or your hand?

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El Mexicano Texano posted...

It's more or less of having it done to you rather than your devices. Would you rather someone use a blowtorch on your phone or your hand?

What if you're holding the phone in your hand while a blow torch is being used on it?

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El Mexicano Texano posted...

It's more or less of having it done to you rather than your devices. Would you rather someone use a blowtorch on your phone or your hand?

What if you using your phone was destroying other people's phones? Should someone step in and stop it?

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El Mexicano Texano posted...

It's more or less of having it done to you rather than your devices. Would you rather someone use a blowtorch on your phone or your hand?

It still makes no logical sense to emphasize that your overwhelming fear is loss of privacy as if it's some new threat, when you've already agreed to sacrifice it every single day and you lock yourself into total dependence on the devices that take it from you -- and you don't even care that you do it, because you hold your own privacy so cheaply.

But then, under-educated fuckwits who retweet fairytale bullshit about "tiny chips in vaccines" aren't even on nodding terms with logical sense.

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I don't think it's fair to label people who have concerns about this vaccine as "anti-vaxxers".

I've always gotten mine and just had a tetanus shot a month ago. However, existing vaccines underwent very long and arduous testing periods. For the Covid vaccine, the Trump administration is not one I trust at all with how hard he's been pushing to get one out ASAP. It doesnt help that the White House just Friday told the head of the FDA to approve the vaccine or resign.

No, I dont think Bill "I'm so rich I literally got bored making money and just give it away now" Gates is trying to turn us into zombies or track us (lmao) or whatever. I do know that there have been no long term studies on the vaccine so there is a chance it could do more harm than good. I'm semi retired/self employed so I dont have to interact with the public, let a nurse or someone else take "my" dose. If they're still alive and well in a year, I'll consider the vaccine.

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People getting upset, having fits because other people have concerns over this and prioritize their health as to not take it only make them avoid it even more.

My mom and dad are afraid of this, and believe it would be "the mark of the beast".

I don't even.

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GrandConjuraton posted...

My mom and dad are afraid of this, and believe it would be "the mark of the beast".

I don't even.

That's how my family is. Every time I hear them say it I tell them people have been saying that about previous vaccines.

I also tell them that their God Emperor is pushing for it hard to release the vaccine ASAP.

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Jx1010 posted...

People getting upset, having fits because other people have concerns over this and prioritize their health as to not take it only make them avoid it even more.

Anti-medicine jokers say this shit every time something new comes out. You can't stop progress.

This time

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hockeybub89 posted...

Anti-medicine jokers say this shit every time something new comes out. You can't stop progress.

This time

U hate people, why do u care

PoundGarden posted...

No, I dont think Bill "I'm so rich I literally got bored making money and just give it away now" Gates is trying to turn us into zombies or track us (lmao) or whatever. I do know that there have been no long term studies on the vaccine so there is a chance it could do more harm than good. I'm semi retired/self employed so I dont have to interact with the public, let a nurse or someone else take "my" dose. If they're still alive and well in a year, I'll consider the vaccine.

But people could drag out this pandemic for a decade and they would still be screaming about how we can't be sure about the vaccines

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PoundGarden posted...

I don't think it's fair to label people who have concerns about this vaccine as "anti-vaxxers".

Here's my position: I think it's understandable to have reservations on safety grounds about taking a vaccine that had a very compressed development time and hasn't yet been mass administered. If people are cautious, and just want to see how things pan out for the first few months before taking the shot, that's quite normal.

Personally, I'll take mine sooner rather than later, because I feel the risks to me of taking the vaccine (and yes, there's always some risk factor with new medicines or vaccines) are likely to be far outweighed by the risks to my wife if I catch Covid and pass it on to her -- because she ticks several boxes that place her in the clinically vulnerable group, and if she became infected then she stands a very strong chance of suffering severe if not deadly harm. I'm not going to do that to her.

But the thing is that besides reasonable caution about talking this particular vaccine, there's an unfortunate overlap with the craziness and stupidity of the paranoid conspiracy bullshit that's corroded the dumber dregs of American life like brain poison. Sadly, the harmful nonsense spewed out by anti-vaxx nutjobs has the effect of making caution about the vaccine look like a symptom of mental illness.

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hockeybub89 posted...

But people could drag out this pandemic for a decade and they would still be screaming about how we can't be sure about the vaccines

In the event this pandemic lasted for a decade at the very least there would be years of extensive testing instead of a rush job.

That wouldn't make everyone take it, but considerably more would trust it.

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hockeybub89 posted...

But people could drag out this pandemic for a decade and they would still be screaming about how we can't be sure about the vaccines

And they will, and those people cannot be helped or saved.

There is a middle ground, and it's what I've chosen: wait a year, see how it goes, reevaluate. The public is essentially beta testing the vaccine (and let's not pretend the clinical trials have gone swimmingly), I'll not be a part of it.

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the whole implanted device vs device in your hand argument is stupid af....why? because all your fears of the government tracking you and big corporations tracking your habits and selling them to other corporations...its literally all happening with your phone, yet I don't see people getting rid of their smart phones

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The weird part to me is, what is the vaccine going to do that the government couldn't currently do anyway if they chose to?

BabyBilly posted...

As a Christian, Ill pass on the vaccine.

Lots of Christians take vaccines.

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Firewerx posted...

You've got to admit though, it is hilarious to watch pretty much the same people who froth at the mouth with rabid hatred at the evils of socialism suddenly gibbering and ranting about the greed of capitalists who put profit above people's health and safety, and how no one can trust corporate America -- sounding just like the very socialists they claim to despise.

During the Cold War, right-wingers insisted that if you didn't profess blind faith in capitalism then you were a goddamn commie, an enemy of America who deserved to be blacklisted and locked up. So tell me: whatever made you lose faith that "greed is good", people? Why the lack of trust in private companies? How did you ever fall out of love with Wall Street and corporate America?

I am and have always been a Leftist since i became politically aware. Nice strawman

JoeThe12th posted...

I am and have always been a Leftist since i became politically aware. Nice strawman

Gosh, I must have been talking about just you.

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Its an empty strawman and you know it. No one itt has said anything egregiously conservative or alt right adjacent. Youre grasping

ArchNemo posted...

The weird part to me is, what is the vaccine going to do that the government couldn't currently do anyway if they chose to?

Oh, "the chips" will hack your email account, trawl your browser history, log your network of contacts, etc. The only realistic way The Government can keep tabs on that kind of thing is if they inject you with teeny-tiny chips that burrow into your eyes and see what you're looking at on your screen. Or something.

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Literally no one has said anything about government tracking itt. Its all concerns over fear that the vaccine has been rushed and not fully tested for long term effects. You anf TC are both arguing against a position no one here has professed to hold

JoeThe12th posted...

Its an empty strawman and you know it. No one itt has said anything egregiously conservative or alt right adjacent. Youre grasping

Congratulations on your first day of using the Internet.

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