Current Events > Freeza is a... good guy in Dragon Ball Super?

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saspa
12/12/20 9:34:34 AM
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Or is he like what Vegeta was in the Namek saga
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lilORANG
12/12/20 9:35:50 AM
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He and Goku are basically friends by the end but he starts out with his own selfish motives.
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K181
12/12/20 9:36:23 AM
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Nah, he's a baddie that just so happened to team up with the good guys for one particular reason.

Think Stalin taking down Hitler. Good job, Stalin... you're still an evil asshole, though.

But he didn't have a moral rehabilitation like Vegeta did. He's still a genocidal tyrant.

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pikachupwnage
12/12/20 9:55:41 AM
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K181 posted...
Nah, he's a baddie that just so happened to team up with the good guys for one particular reason.

Think Stalin taking down Hitler. Good job, Stalin... you're still an evil asshole, though.

But he didn't have a moral rehabilitation like Vegeta did. He's still a genocidal tyrant.


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DB_Insider
12/12/20 9:58:40 AM
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Frieza might have a change of heart after the even of DBS Broly. He kinda make his peace with goku and resumed his work his work as a God of Destruction subtitute. We can expect more with him in the future as he scour the universe searching the ultimate lifeform capable of ending Zeno's life.
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Aki_Sora
12/12/20 9:59:36 AM
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No According to Batman same with goku and vegeta.

Once you kill you are bad guys
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saspa
12/13/20 2:51:48 PM
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lilORANG posted...
He and Goku are basically friends by the end but he starts out with his own selfish motives.

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Does every Goku enemy end up being friends with the guy
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Hippocrates
12/13/20 2:52:17 PM
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He only murdered a few billion people who knows how many times. He's not that bad a guy
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metralo
12/13/20 2:53:37 PM
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saspa posted...
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Does every Goku enemy end up being friends with the guy

thats kind of his thing

goku's like naruto except goku doesn't give like a speech or anything to turn them to his side, he just beats their ass and lets them live so they're like aight we cool

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
12/13/20 2:54:35 PM
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Dragon Ball
Star Wars
Pirates of the Caribbean

The 2010s really did a number on some of my favorite franchises.
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Garioshi
12/13/20 2:54:54 PM
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It's like Sinestro teaming up with the Green Lanterns

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Hippocrates
12/13/20 2:55:32 PM
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Garioshi posted...
It's like Sinestro teaming up with the Green Lanterns
It's like Parallax himself teaming up with the Lantern Core
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SkittyOnWailord
12/13/20 2:55:37 PM
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saspa posted...
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Does every Goku enemy end up being friends with the guy

I'm pretty sure Garlic Jr. never becomes a friend.

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SSJGrimReaper
12/13/20 2:55:45 PM
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First Piccolo then Vegeta then Buu now Frieza


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Garioshi
12/13/20 2:56:13 PM
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Hippocrates posted...
It's like Parallax himself teaming up with the Lantern Core
But that has happened

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Hippocrates
12/13/20 2:56:37 PM
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Garioshi posted...
But that has happened
Yeah, just like Freeza has teamed up with Goku to save the universe
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Hornezz
12/13/20 2:57:11 PM
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It's kinda the thing in Dragon Ball isn't it? Large part of Goku's friends started as bad guys or at least adversaries: Yamcha, Oolong, Tenshinhan & Chiaotzu, Piccolo, Vegeta, 17, 18 & Buu.

Edit: even Bulma tried to kill Goku the first time they met

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Zodd3224
12/13/20 2:58:47 PM
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SSJGrimReaper posted...
First Piccolo then Vegeta then Buu now Frieza

First Yamcha, then Krillin, then Tien

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DarkBuster22904
12/13/20 3:01:09 PM
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saspa posted...
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Does every Goku enemy end up being friends with the guy
Don't listen to that, they aren't friends.

They have an "understanding" of each other, but that's it. Frieza WILL try to kill goku the second he thinks he can get away with it.

Frieza did what he had to do to save his own ass from deletion. Nothing more.They aren't friends, they aren't allies, and barring the possibility of literal multiversal deletion coming back, they are unlikely to help each other again.

The best you can say is, at the moment, neither are taking active steps to axe the other.

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Hippocrates
12/13/20 3:01:47 PM
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IIRC the Broly movie takes place after Super and has Freeza go right back to trying to kill Goku
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Ozzirius
12/13/20 3:31:51 PM
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SkittyOnWailord posted...
I'm pretty sure Garlic Jr. never becomes a friend.
Garlic Jr. isn't even real
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SkittyOnWailord
12/13/20 3:37:04 PM
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Ozzirius posted...
Garlic Jr. isn't even real

Fine. If you're going with canon results, pretend I said Cell.

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ChrisTaka
12/13/20 3:38:21 PM
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saspa posted...
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Does every Goku enemy end up being friends with the guy

No only Krillin(to some extent), Yamcha, Tien, Piccolo, Vegeta, the Androids, Buu, Beerus, Broly ..... huh

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DarthDemented
12/13/20 3:38:48 PM
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DarkBuster22904 posted...
Don't listen to that, they aren't friends.

They have an "understanding" of each other, but that's it. Frieza WILL try to kill goku the second he thinks he can get away with it.

Frieza did what he had to do to save his own ass from deletion. Nothing more.They aren't friends, they aren't allies, and barring the possibility of literal multiversal deletion coming back, they are unlikely to help each other again.

The best you can say is, at the moment, neither are taking active steps to axe the other.

Pretty much frenimies. They have a friendly respect for each other without actually being friends and will throw down the instant they have the chance


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SquirtleSkwad
12/13/20 3:39:06 PM
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metralo posted...
thats kind of his thing

goku's like naruto except goku doesn't give like a speech or anything to turn them to his side, he just beats their ass and lets them live so they're like aight we cool
A lot of friendships form this way.

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BLAKUboy
12/13/20 3:39:57 PM
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DarkBuster22904 posted...
Don't listen to that, they aren't friends.

They have an "understanding" of each other, but that's it. Frieza WILL try to kill goku the second he thinks he can get away with it.

Frieza did what he had to do to save his own ass from deletion. Nothing more.They aren't friends, they aren't allies, and barring the possibility of literal multiversal deletion coming back, they are unlikely to help each other again.

The best you can say is, at the moment, neither are taking active steps to axe the other.
Yeah, this. No idea where all the THEYRE BEST FRIENDS NOW BS is coming from.

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SSJGrimReaper
12/13/20 3:40:09 PM
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Zodd3224 posted...
First Yamcha, then Krillin, then Tien
I mean like actual mass murdering villian characters, those guys are more rivals turned friends

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V-E-G-Y-
12/13/20 3:43:10 PM
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DarthDemented
12/13/20 3:45:18 PM
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BLAKUboy posted...
Yeah, this. No idea where all the THEYRE BEST FRIENDS NOW BS is coming from.
I don't either. Only way a team up is ever gonna happen again is if there's a big enough threat to even friezas empire.

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AP3Brain
12/13/20 3:54:42 PM
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Frieza is still a bad guy. He is just not stupid and has some amount of respect for Goku. Everything he did in Super was in his own self interest. I wouldn't compare him to Piccolo or Vegeta.....yet at least.
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Solar_Crimson
12/13/20 3:57:07 PM
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K181 posted...
Nah, he's a baddie that just so happened to team up with the good guys for one particular reason.

Think Stalin taking down Hitler. Good job, Stalin... you're still an evil asshole, though.

But he didn't have a moral rehabilitation like Vegeta did. He's still a genocidal tyrant.


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creativeme
12/13/20 3:58:10 PM
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he's like namek vegeta but still more evil for now. we'll know more when super comes back.

he teamed up with goku so that he could get wished back to life. but even throughout the tournament of power he did his own evil stuff but in the end he was a "good guy." he showed up in broly a little bit and been awhile since i watched but i think that was more of him getting dragged in against his will
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Hippocrates
12/13/20 3:58:52 PM
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creativeme posted...
he's like namek vegeta but still more evil for now. we'll know more when super comes back.

he teamed up with goku so that he could get wished back to life. but even throughout the tournament of power he did his own evil stuff but in the end he was a "good guy." he showed up in broly a little bit and been awhile since i watched but i think that was more of him getting dragged in against his will
He explicitly tried to have Broly kill Goku and Vegeta
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SpiritSephiroth
12/13/20 4:05:27 PM
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creativeme posted...
he's like namek vegeta but still more evil for now. we'll know more when super comes back.

he teamed up with goku so that he could get wished back to life. but even throughout the tournament of power he did his own evil stuff but in the end he was a "good guy." he showed up in broly a little bit and been awhile since i watched but i think that was more of him getting dragged in against his will

Frieza literally instigated that whole movie. It was because of him Broly came to Earth and tried to kill Goku and Vegeta. Frieza killed Paragus, causing Broly to lose it. He put the whole Earth in danger and is building a huge army, taking over the universe again. So he's far from being Namek Vegeta, he's actually as bad as he was before. Just now he has a couple of Saiyans who can match his own power, so he has to play it smart.

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--Zero-
12/13/20 4:25:39 PM
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No he hates Goku and only dealt with him in the TOP to be revived.

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OffTempo
12/13/20 4:31:13 PM
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Lololol no. The brought Frieza back for a day to participate in the ToP but that does not make them friends. He still hates Goku.

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sLaCkEr408___RJ
12/13/20 7:39:51 PM
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Still wanted to see a team work fight featuring all of DBZs strongest heroes

Goku
Yamcha
Krillin
Tien
Piccolo
Gohan
Vegeta
18
Majin Buu
Gotenks

Maybe switch out Gotenks with 17, but I feel like adding Frieza was just fanservice and robbed us of an actual team hero fight. Roshi was cool, but not over Yamcha.
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Zodd3224
12/13/20 7:42:51 PM
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Buu and Yamcha should have been there

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AP3Brain
12/13/20 8:07:56 PM
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You guys serious with YAMCHA?! He has been useless for pretty much all of DBZ.
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sLaCkEr408___RJ
12/13/20 8:08:49 PM
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AP3Brain posted...
You guys serious with YAMCHA?! He has been useless for pretty much all of DBZ.
That is the main reason fans want him to contribute.
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Zikten
12/13/20 8:08:54 PM
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They should bring back Cell next. I'd love to see Cell react to adult Gohan
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nemu
12/13/20 8:12:00 PM
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I'd say he's gone from either Neutral/chaotic Evil to Lawful Evil or True Neutral. He'd kill them if he could, but he understands his place in the universe.
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ZeroX91
12/13/20 8:14:22 PM
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Freiza is basiclly angelica pickels now...it was actually pretty funny in Super Broly. But yea its cool 17 just needs to do some light cardio and he can clean up any of goku, vegeta, and Freizas messes.

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ZeroX91
12/13/20 8:16:03 PM
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
That is the main reason fans want him to contribute.
Best charater in Fighterz arcsys knows true fans like yamcha and want to see him succeed

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DarkBuster22904
12/13/20 8:18:56 PM
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
Still wanted to see a team work fight featuring all of DBZs strongest heroes

Goku
Yamcha
Krillin
Tien
Piccolo
Gohan
Vegeta
18
Majin Buu
Gotenks

Maybe switch out Gotenks with 17, but I feel like adding Frieza was just fanservice and robbed us of an actual team hero fight. Roshi was cool, but not over Yamcha.
should have just had Trunks stay in the past after the Black arc, and had him participate.

Sorry, Tien. I love ya, but you were absolutely useless in that arc

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BLAKUboy
12/13/20 9:10:05 PM
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They literally gave Buu a whole new form for the ToP and then he immediately lost it because he fell asleep and they had to get Frieza.
It's fair to exclude Gotenks since he can only exist for 30 minutes every hour, and the boys aren't really all that great on their own.

There was absolute no reason to include Krillin, Tien, or Roshi though. Keep Buu, pull some time ring shenanigans or something to bring Future Trunks back, and make like Pikkon canon or whatever if they're too lazy to think up a new character.

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DarkBuster22904
12/13/20 9:45:59 PM
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roshi ended up being one of the best inclusions, though. in both the anime and manga, his contributions were some of the arc's highlights

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ModLogic
12/13/20 9:52:13 PM
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Hornezz posted...
It's kinda the thing in Dragon Ball isn't it? Large part of Goku's friends started as bad guys or at least adversaries: Yamcha, Oolong, Tenshinhan & Chiaotzu, Piccolo, Vegeta, 17, 18 & Buu.

Edit: even Bulma tried to kill Goku the first time they met
you forget that piece of shit krillin that stole master roshi's training rock from goku, made him fall off a cliff and disqualified him from eating dinner.

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Garioshi
12/13/20 10:00:13 PM
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BLAKUboy posted...
It's fair to exclude Gotenks since he can only exist for 30 minutes every h
Gotenks is a jobber too

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