Current Events > Twitch removed BLIND PLAYTHROUGH as a tag because it's offensive to BLIND people

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CyricZ 12/06/20 10:41:09 AM #152:	Question: Is all we have in this topic so far the end result and not the build up that led to this? Have we tracked the process that led to this decision by Twitch? I'm asking because the idea of: "It's probably just one person complained and now they have to change it for everyone" ...rings hollow when you follow up with... "Here we found one person who doesn't care so let's change it back." Like do we have proof that not a single person that this affects was consulted first? --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:947979665] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>Question: Is all we have in this topic so far the end result and not the build up that led to this? Have we tracked the process that led to this decision by Twitch? I'm asking because the idea of: "It's probably just one person complained and now they have to change it for everyone" ...rings hollow when you follow up with... "Here we found one person who doesn't care so let's change it back." Like do we have proof that not a single person that this affects was consulted first? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XxKrazyChaosxX 12/06/20 10:58:42 AM #153:	CyricZ posted... Question: Is all we have in this topic so far the end result and not the build up that led to this? Have we tracked the process that led to this decision by Twitch? I'm asking because the idea of: "It's probably just one person complained and now they have to change it for everyone" ...rings hollow when you follow up with... "Here we found one person who doesn't care so let's change it back." Like do we have proof that not a single person that this affects was consulted first? I just assumed the deer streamer is involved in this too. --- "I woke up at four am by accident in time for the paper to be delivered. Guess what? It's not a kid on a bike, it's a man in a car." - Kevin Malone <cite>XxKrazyChaosxX posted [p:947980132] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Question: Is all we have in this topic so far the end result and not the build up that led to this? Have we tracked the process that led to this decision by Twitch? I'm asking because the idea of: "It's probably just one person complained and now they have to change it for everyone" ...rings hollow when you follow up with... "Here we found one person who doesn't care so let's change it back." Like do we have proof that not a single person that this affects was consulted first?</quote> I just assumed the deer streamer is involved in this too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xXfireglzXx 12/06/20 11:02:23 AM #154:	CyricZ posted... Question: Is all we have in this topic so far the end result and not the build up that led to this? Have we tracked the process that led to this decision by Twitch? I'm asking because the idea of: "It's probably just one person complained and now they have to change it for everyone" ...rings hollow when you follow up with... "Here we found one person who doesn't care so let's change it back." Like do we have proof that not a single person that this affects was consulted first? It is the responsibility of those making the decision to justify/rationalize their decision. It is not the job of those who are questioning the decision to figure out what sort of narrative or complaints might have led to it. They only have the information they are provided with, which in this situation, outside of the decision itself being made, is 0 information. If you want people to view this decision with context then it relies upon the decision maker to provide that context to the community. Otherwise their reaction is warranted given the information they've been provided. --- Official ANCIENT Killer. I make account bets from time to time so either man up or shut up. The Quote is dedicated to those we have lost. <cite>xXfireglzXx posted [p:947980224] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>Question: Is all we have in this topic so far the end result and not the build up that led to this? Have we tracked the process that led to this decision by Twitch? I'm asking because the idea of: "It's probably just one person complained and now they have to change it for everyone" ...rings hollow when you follow up with... "Here we found one person who doesn't care so let's change it back." Like do we have proof that not a single person that this affects was consulted first?</quote> It is the responsibility of those making the decision to justify/rationalize their decision. It is not the job of those who are questioning the decision to figure out what sort of narrative or complaints might have led to it. They only have the information they are provided with, which in this situation, outside of the decision itself being made, is 0 information. If you want people to view this decision with context then it relies upon the decision maker to provide that context to the community. Otherwise their reaction is warranted given the information they've been provided. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/06/20 11:02:43 AM #155:	reposting this so that someone might see it averagejoel posted... the real kicker here is that Twitch was given a list of things they could do to make the platform more accessible for people with vision problems. things like screen reader compatibility, adding contrast options, etc. they did none of it, choosing instead to pull this shit so not only is this forcing the introduction of a stigma where there wasn't one previously, it's happening because the company ignored actual advice that they got from blind people --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:947980235] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>reposting this so that someone might see it averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>the real kicker here is that Twitch was given a list of things they could do to make the platform more accessible for people with vision problems. things like screen reader compatibility, adding contrast options, etc. they did none of it, choosing instead to pull this shit so not only is this forcing the introduction of a stigma where there wasn't one previously, it's happening because the company ignored actual advice that they got from blind people</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 12/06/20 11:04:21 AM #156:	XxKrazyChaosxX posted... I just assumed Well that's kind of what I'm driving at. xXfireglzXx posted... It is the responsibility of those making the decision to justify/rationalize their decision. It is not the job of those who are questioning the decision to figure out what sort of narrative or complaints might have led to it. They only have the information they are provided with, which in this situation, outside of the decision itself being made, is 0 information. If you want people to view this decision with context then it relies upon the decision maker to provide that context to the community. Otherwise their reaction is warranted given the information they've been provided. Yeah I get that, and that's really what I'm asking. Has Twitch made any public statement on this, and if not, fair enough to those complaining. averagejoel posted... reposting this so that someone might see it Thanks man. Well said. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:947980268] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>XxKrazyChaosxX posted... </cite> <quote>I just assumed</quote>Well that's kind of what I'm driving at. xXfireglzXx posted... </cite> <quote>It is the responsibility of those making the decision to justify/rationalize their decision. It is not the job of those who are questioning the decision to figure out what sort of narrative or complaints might have led to it. They only have the information they are provided with, which in this situation, outside of the decision itself being made, is 0 information. If you want people to view this decision with context then it relies upon the decision maker to provide that context to the community. Otherwise their reaction is warranted given the information they've been provided.</quote>Yeah I get that, and that's really what I'm asking. Has Twitch made any public statement on this, and if not, fair enough to those complaining. averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>reposting this so that someone might see it</quote>Thanks man. Well said. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 12/06/20 11:04:32 AM #157:	Vyrulisse posted... Honk Honk. This Tweet nailed shit like this 100%: https://twitter.com/cool_slowbro/status/1335325602681860096 Spot on, fuck these people --- Oda break tracker 2020- 8 (8) \| THE Ohio State: 3-0 \| Las Vegas Raiders: 6-3 <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:947980275] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>Vyrulisse posted...</cite> <quote>Honk Honk. This Tweet nailed shit like this 100%: https://twitter.com/cool_slowbro/status/1335325602681860096 </quote> Spot on, fuck these people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
devilminion 12/06/20 11:36:29 AM #158:	YellowSUV posted... Does this have anything to do with the Twitch mod who claims she is a deer? ...Fuck, I had completely erased that person from my memory. Thanks for bringing it back up V_V --- All Hail https://imgur.com/uzIx6Jp <cite>devilminion posted [p:947981152] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>YellowSUV posted...</cite> <quote>Does this have anything to do with the Twitch mod who claims she is a deer? </quote> ...Fuck, I had completely erased that person from my memory. Thanks for bringing it back up V_V</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TaxationIsTheft 12/06/20 11:39:05 AM #159:	Ban ALL words <cite>TaxationIsTheft posted [p:947981220] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>Ban ALL words </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Runeboggle 12/06/20 12:54:35 PM #160:	Kaliesto posted... When can we get No Arms Playthrough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPJ2ww38U1k --- Si \|\| 4670791 https://imgur.com/8i3PpVo <cite>Runeboggle posted [p:947983403] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>Kaliesto posted... </cite> <quote>When can we get No Arms Playthrough.</quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPJ2ww38U1k </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaliesto 12/06/20 12:56:15 PM #161:	Runeboggle posted... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPJ2ww38U1k Inspiring. --- Gimme dat, gimme dat, gimme dat DramaFAQs-misterbum <cite>Kaliesto posted [p:947983460] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>Runeboggle posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPJ2ww38U1k</quote> Inspiring. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AuthenticZac 12/06/20 1:12:27 PM #162:	I will say this as simply as I can: Fuck Twitch. --- https://imgur.com/MUJCZY9 My Personal Backlog (I might have a problem) - https://imgur.com/dzrpBv3 <cite>AuthenticZac posted [p:947983984] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>I will say this as simply as I can: Fuck Twitch.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
untrustful 12/06/20 1:45:09 PM #163:	computer servers are ableist twitch, trash them to get my approval --- My Mario Maker Levels https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/profile/untrustful?type=posted <cite>untrustful posted [p:947985063] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>computer servers are ableist twitch, trash them to get my approval </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
untrustful 12/06/20 1:47:11 PM #164:	twitch also need to disable racist passwords --- My Mario Maker Levels https://supermariomakerbookmark.nintendo.net/profile/untrustful?type=posted <cite>untrustful posted [p:947985154] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>twitch also need to disable racist passwords </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 12/06/20 3:43:43 PM #165:	Isnt twitch itself offensive? --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:947989399] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>Isnt twitch itself offensive? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sneakysnake 12/06/20 4:06:50 PM #166:	"Blind" and "walkthrough" are both ableist against people that can't see and people that can't walk. Can't believe he started with "I'm happy to see" <cite>sneakysnake posted [p:947990281] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>"Blind" and "walkthrough" are both ableist against people that can't see and people that can't walk. Can't believe he started with "I'm happy to see" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crescente 12/06/20 4:09:06 PM #167:	I think we're going to run out of words in a few years Lol <cite>Crescente posted [p:947990371] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>I think we're going to run out of words in a few years Lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
devilminion 12/06/20 4:13:49 PM #168:	Crescente posted... I think we're going to run out of words in a few years Lol Once they added "figuratively" to the list of definitions for "literally", it was only a matter of time --- All Hail https://imgur.com/uzIx6Jp <cite>devilminion posted [p:947990584] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>Crescente posted...</cite> <quote>I think we're going to run out of words in a few years Lol </quote> Once they added "figuratively" to the list of definitions for "literally", it was only a matter of time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SquirtleSkwad 12/06/20 4:14:52 PM #169:	YellowSUV posted... Does this have anything to do with the Twitch mod who claims she is a deer? What --- "If you cannot explain it simply, you do not understand it well enough."-Albert Einstein <cite>SquirtleSkwad posted [p:947990631] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>YellowSUV posted... </cite> <quote>Does this have anything to do with the Twitch mod who claims she is a deer?</quote>What </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 12/06/20 4:22:25 PM #170:	SquirtleSkwad posted... What You are better off not knowing --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:947990960] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>SquirtleSkwad posted... </cite> <quote>What</quote>You are better off not knowing </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pokedude900 12/06/20 4:46:43 PM #171:	SquirtleSkwad posted... What https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2020/05/14/introducing-the-twitch-safety-advisory-council/?utm_referrer=https://t.co/HwPo0aanCr?amp=1 FerociouslySteph. Not mentioned on this page, but she's an "other-kin" and believes she's a deer. --- https://imgur.com/d6s9Cbv https://imgur.com/4gqDZRJ Come to the (un)official GameFAQs Touhou board. http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1110- <cite>pokedude900 posted [p:947991935] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>SquirtleSkwad posted...</cite> <quote> What </quote> https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2020/05/14/introducing-the-twitch-safety-advisory-council/?utm_referrer=https://t.co/HwPo0aanCr?amp=1 FerociouslySteph. Not mentioned on this page, but she's an "other-kin" and believes she's a deer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 12/07/20 8:12:25 AM #172:	pokedude900 posted... https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2020/05/14/introducing-the-twitch-safety-advisory-council/?utm_referrer=https://t.co/HwPo0aanCr?amp=1 FerociouslySteph. Not mentioned on this page, but she's an "other-kin" and believes she's a deer. She is also the one who said she now has power and will abuse it. Even as a joke that shouldn't be allowed. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:948014599] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>pokedude900 posted... </cite> <quote>https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2020/05/14/introducing-the-twitch-safety-advisory-council/?utm_referrer=https://t.co/HwPo0aanCr?amp=1 FerociouslySteph. Not mentioned on this page, but she's an "other-kin" and believes she's a deer.</quote> She is also the one who said she now has power and will abuse it. Even as a joke that shouldn't be allowed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nfearurspecimn 12/07/20 1:39:14 PM #173:	Rika_Furude posted... Isnt twitch itself offensive? yeah --- Wake up. You have to wake up. currently a preta/hungry ghost Dai Grepher: I was wrong. My entire theory is incorrect. Zero Mission IS a remake of Metroid. <cite>nfearurspecimn posted [p:948024240] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted... </cite> <quote>Isnt twitch itself offensive?</quote>yeah </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaliesto 12/08/20 9:28:19 AM #174:	Someone really needs to smack that stupid twitter face back to reality and realize what context means. --- Gimme dat, gimme dat, gimme dat DramaFAQs-misterbum <cite>Kaliesto posted [p:948057466] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>Someone really needs to smack that stupid twitter face back to reality and realize what context means. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
k darkfire 12/08/20 9:31:14 AM #175:	Crescente posted... I think we're going to run out of words in a few years Lol We already are. SJWs are trying to erase our ability to speak. Very Orwellian, right? --- King Crimson has erased this signature. <cite>k darkfire posted [p:948057531] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>Crescente posted... </cite> <quote>I think we're going to run out of words in a few years Lol</quote> We already are. SJWs are trying to erase our ability to speak. Very Orwellian, right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaliesto 12/08/20 9:32:38 AM #176:	k darkfire posted... We already are. SJWs are trying to erase our ability to speak. Very Orwellian, right? And yet people just take this lying down all so often; this is getting really stupid. --- Gimme dat, gimme dat, gimme dat DramaFAQs-misterbum <cite>Kaliesto posted [p:948057573] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>k darkfire posted... </cite> <quote>We already are. SJWs are trying to erase our ability to speak. Very Orwellian, right?</quote> And yet people just take this lying down all so often; this is getting really stupid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
k darkfire 12/08/20 9:37:04 AM #177:	Kaliesto posted... And yet people just take this lying down all so often; this is getting really stupid. Careful stupid is an ableist word. Also your tone was very aggressive. --- King Crimson has erased this signature. <cite>k darkfire posted [p:948057693] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>Kaliesto posted... </cite> <quote>And yet people just take this lying down all so often; this is getting really stupid.</quote> Careful stupid is an ableist word. Also your tone was very aggressive. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AuthenticZac 12/08/20 9:41:21 AM #178:	Kaliesto posted... Someone really needs to smack that stupid twitter face back to reality and realize what context means. Or just give her a dictionary. a : made or done without sight of certain objects or knowledge of certain facts that could serve for guidance or cause bias b : having no knowledge of information that may cause bias during the course of an experiment or test This is akin to people being offended at that one McDonalds toy that they thought was using profanity. They are perceiving offense because they want to be offended. "Blind playthrough" is using a literal definition of the word, it's not some attack at those with visual impairments --- https://imgur.com/MUJCZY9 My Personal Backlog (I might have a problem) - https://imgur.com/dzrpBv3 <cite>AuthenticZac posted [p:948057807] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>Kaliesto posted...</cite> <quote>Someone really needs to smack that stupid twitter face back to reality and realize what context means. </quote> Or just give her a dictionary. a : made or done without sight of certain objects or knowledge of certain facts that could serve for guidance or cause bias b : having no knowledge of information that may cause bias during the course of an experiment or test This is akin to people being offended at that one McDonalds toy that they thought was using profanity. They are perceiving offense because they want to be offended. "Blind playthrough" is using a literal definition of the word, it's not some attack at those with visual impairments</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
El_Lingo 12/08/20 9:44:28 AM #179:	As a physically disabled person, I really hate it when people try to put words in our mouths and treat us like we're made of glass. Being blind is nothing to be ashamed of, it's not a dirty word. Now if blind people really were offended at the term I would totally support them, but it doesn't seem like anyone bothered to ask them. --- It's love, it's love, it's love, make it HURT. <cite>El_Lingo posted [p:948057894] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>As a physically disabled person, I really hate it when people try to put words in our mouths and treat us like we're made of glass. Being blind is nothing to be ashamed of, it's not a dirty word. Now if blind people really were offended at the term I would totally support them, but it doesn't seem like anyone bothered to ask them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/08/20 11:09:47 AM #180:	El_Lingo posted... As a physically disabled person, I really hate it when people try to put words in our mouths and treat us like we're made of glass. Being blind is nothing to be ashamed of, it's not a dirty word. Now if blind people really were offended at the term I would totally support them, but it doesn't seem like anyone bothered to ask them. twitch did consult blind people, then actively chose to ignore what they said (stuff about accessibility options) in favour of manufacturing a stigma where there wasn't one --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:948060356] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>El_Lingo posted... </cite> <quote>As a physically disabled person, I really hate it when people try to put words in our mouths and treat us like we're made of glass. Being blind is nothing to be ashamed of, it's not a dirty word. Now if blind people really were offended at the term I would totally support them, but it doesn't seem like anyone bothered to ask them.</quote>twitch did consult blind people, then actively chose to ignore what they said (stuff about accessibility options) in favour of manufacturing a stigma where there wasn't one </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 12/08/20 11:42:33 AM #181:	averagejoel posted... twitch did consult blind people, then actively chose to ignore what they said (stuff about accessibility options) in favour of manufacturing a stigma where there wasn't one changing a word is cheaper than implementing accessibility features sad how that's obviously why they were so quick to do it --- Rain in the meadow beats the river to the ocean <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:948061511] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>twitch did consult blind people, then actively chose to ignore what they said (stuff about accessibility options) in favour of manufacturing a stigma where there wasn't one</quote>changing a word is cheaper than implementing accessibility features sad how that's obviously why they were so quick to do it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Seaman_Prime 12/08/20 11:46:18 AM #182:	Hmm some people dont like violence, maybe they should ban all violent games. <cite>Seaman_Prime posted [p:948061646] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>Hmm some people dont like violence, maybe they should ban all violent games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
viewmaster_pi 12/08/20 11:47:54 AM #183:	Seaman_Prime posted... Hmm some people dont like violence, maybe they should ban all violent games. sounds reasonable. whatever makes the most people happy --- Rain in the meadow beats the river to the ocean <cite>viewmaster_pi posted [p:948061706] in Twitch rem... [t:79154684]...</cite> <quote>Seaman_Prime posted... </cite> <quote>Hmm some people dont like violence, maybe they should ban all violent games.</quote>sounds reasonable. whatever makes the most people happy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Current Events > Twitch removed BLIND PLAYTHROUGH as a tag because it's offensive to BLIND people (+) Yeah! (+)

Current Events > Twitch removed BLIND PLAYTHROUGH as a tag because it's offensive to BLIND people