Current Events > The House just passed a bill to decriminalize marijuana at the federal level

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

Everyone who tries adderall loves adderall lol

I was on it (legally by prescription) for about a year. I loved it. Helped a lot with my depression, my shitty memory, my inability to focus, and even my social anxiety. I was consistently the #1 performer in a call center of a couple hundred people, and got some promotions and recognition from the big wigs for it. But it changed my personality in some pretty bad ways.

It was in short supply due to being a schedule 2 narcotic. So there were oftentimes where I'd have to go around from pharmacy to pharmacy to find a place that had it in stock. And if I wasn't able to get my Adderall, I turned into a raging asshole.

I kept hearing bad things about it and how unhealthy it is. Deep down I had anxiety about it, but like any addict, I found excuses to convince myself it was fine.

One day I was on the phone with Walgreens' mail order pharmacy trying to get some by mail. It was a black lady that took my call and she just kept talking about how bad that drug is and how I need to get off of it.

Surely she was not allowed to make such personal, anecdotal comments about a patient's prescribed medication, as she wasn't even a pharmacist. But she still cared enough about my stranger ass to tell me that. At first I wanted to get pissed off and go all Karen on her, but I agreed and thanked her. It really got me worrying about the damage I was doing to myself.

So the next day I quit cold turkey. Worst. Fucking. Panic attacks. EVER! from the withdrawals. But I still really appreciate the lady who planted that seed. She really helped me. I hope she didn't get fired and is doing well today.

tl;dr- fuck Adderall

Ruvan22 posted...

All of the hard sciences have failed at times, that's part of proving the null hypothesis.

Nah. Because at the end, the scientist failed not the science. In psychology, you cant have a general rule. That's why most psyches just throw meds atpeople. .

J_Punky87 posted...

Nah. Because at the end, the scientist failed not the science. In psychology, you cant have a general rule. That's why most psyches just throw meds atpeople. .

The science is made up of the scientist, so according to you the science failed. Psychology does have general rules (i.e. It's easier to remember the first and last item on a list). And who exactly are "psyches"? If you mean psychologists (not MDs) - they can't prescribe medication?

Doctors are doctors. Psychologists are psychologists. Scientists are scientists. And they overlap. But a scientist is a scientist plain and simple. And psychiatry is not strictly science. It's part of it. Nor should it be. A psychiatrist can be a scientist. It's a science in that regard. It's liberal arts degree though.

kg88222 posted...

Doctors are doctors. Psychologists are psychologists. Scientists are scientists. And they overlap. But a scientist is a scientist plain and simple. And psychiatry is not strictly science. It's part of it. Nor should it be. A psychiatrist can be a scientist. It's a science in that regard. It's liberal arts degree though.

Where exactly is it a "liberal arts degree"?

Psychology is a liberal arts degree. It depends and you might be able to get a psychology degree strictly in science. Or liberal sciences or something but by and large most colleges offer it as a liberal arts program. It's not a bacheror or masters of science. Or even doctorate. It's an art. I have a bachelor of science from a liberal arts college. But it's a science degree and it's different. Because the focus is more on science.

Peanuts are legal.

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kg88222 posted...

Psychology is a liberal arts degree. It depends and you might be able to get a psychology degree strictly in science. Or liberal sciences or something but by and large most colleges offer it as a liberal arts program. It's not a bacheror or masters of science. Or even doctorate. It's an art. I have a bachelor of science from a liberal arts college. But it's a science degree and it's different. Because the focus is more on science.

Your posts are wild man. I'm impressed. I liked you better talking about mafia 3 though.

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People really think it's a joke. The way drug laws are portrayed really gets to me

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I really should have gone for arts. But whatever. I also don't see where my posts are wild. It's just common sense. That's how it works. Not that common apparently. If you understand what these things actually are.

J_Punky87 posted...

This is a mistake. Because the next logical step would be to decriminalize meth, heroin, etc

Decriminalization does work. I believe it was Norway that did so and saw an increase in people who are actively seeking help to get off those drugs.

I should mention I DO NOT support legalization - I also think we should restrict alcohol and tobacco a little more than they are, as well.

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kg88222 posted...

Psychology is a liberal arts degree. It depends and you might be able to get a psychology degree strictly in science. Or liberal sciences or something but by and large most colleges offer it as a liberal arts program. It's not a bacheror or masters of science. Or even doctorate. It's an art. I have a bachelor of science from a liberal arts college. But it's a science degree and it's different. Because the focus is more on science.

Psychology is actually both a liberal art and a science. A person can get a degree/masters/doctorate in either 'form.'

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Even with all the naysayers, this is monumental.

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Gladius_ posted...

You do know there are people allergic to marijuana smoke, right? So it being legal and people being more open to doing it invalidates those people who suffer an allergic reaction.

I dont think anyone's saying you should be allowed to smoke in public places except maybe places dedicated to that aort of thing.

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Psychiatry I think is higher up. Psychology can be as well but by and large it's a liberal arts degree. Doctors is also higher. Psychiatry is higher on the spectrum of science. Psychology really is both. Why it's considered a pseudo science. Psychiatry and being a doctor is more a science degree.

Remember when we decriminalized alcohol? DUI became legal. You couldn't fire someone for coming to work drunk. There were just gallons of whiskey and millions of drunks on every street corner and in every building.

It was chaos.

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By and large psychology is not classified as a science. It's an art. Psychiatry is. Is it possible to have more a focus on science as a psychologist? Sure but by and large it's an art.

Gladius_ posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Remember when we decriminalized alcohol? DUI became legal. You couldn't fire someone for coming to work drunk. There were just gallons of whiskey and millions of drunks on every street corner and in every building.

It was chaos.

Bad take.

It's better than this:

kg88222 posted...

Psychiatry I think is higher up. Psychology can be as well but by and large it's a liberal arts degree. Doctors is also higher. Psychiatry is higher on the spectrum of science. Psychology really is both. Why it's considered a pseudo science. Psychiatry and being a doctor is more a science degree.

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Gladius_ posted...

The problem is that if you're not allergic this sounds great. Except it clings to places and to people. More people smoking it openly means more people on the street, outside their home, in their cars, in parking lots, right outside a resteraunt etc. Places where people can't really adequately avoid a confrontation. At least not easily.

Unless you mean you can only smoke it in the confines of your own yard and home. Even then.

People are allergic to cigarette smoke too. And banning it in public places seems to work for the most part. It being something that intoxicated though im sure it would be more quickly made a crime to be doing in public much like alcohol.

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

It's all good. I could definitely top your stories with the negatives anyway. It's the worst addiction I ever had and brought me to some insane lows where I was losing my fuckin mind. But I worked it out and can use it without taking it too far again.

Or maybe just stop taking it entirely?

Gladius_ posted...

Bad take.

It's the right take. People are suddenly teetotalers because a drug they don't use might get the same treatment as alcohol and tobacco. So they freak out and act as if there will be anarchy if smoking pot isn't a criminal offense.

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Gladius_ posted...

Honestly people allergic to cigarette smoke wish it was more restricted than it is. They have to jump through hoops to remain safe. Hoops that many of us who aren't allergic don't even think about.

As said restrict it to being smoked at home or weed bars. If you are allergic dont go to a weed bar. Make sure you know someone well enough on if they smoke it or not before going into their home. Other peoples lives shouldnt be hampered by the few with allergies. You don't see peanut butter being banned

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kg88222 posted...

Psychiatry I think is higher up. Psychology can be as well but by and large it's a liberal arts degree. Doctors is also higher. Psychiatry is higher on the spectrum of science. Psychology really is both. Why it's considered a pseudo science. Psychiatry and being a doctor is more a science degree.

Psychiatry is a medical field that uses confirmed methods for treatment - psychology is more of a helping field that works toward further research and trying new methods.

I'd personally say that psychology is more of a science than psychiatry since there is more 'psychology' research being done than psychiatry.

Basically psychiatry = medicine and treatment, psychology = understanding and treatment


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Gladius_ posted...

Peanut butter isn't being turned into smoke and pushed into the air. Saying let's ignore the few so we don't hamper the many is a dangerous prospect. It's the exact arguments used to dermaginalize minorities.

Your initial proposals though are good but let's be realistic. People want all or nothing.

Its still super simple dont go into a pot smokers house. I dont forsee it being allowed to walk down the street with a blunt in your hand. And if they do it should carry the samw consequences as someone walking down the street taking swigs from a bottle of Jack.

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Doctors are higher on the spectrum of science because they are reliant on actual proven treatment. I agree it's a medical specialty. They both rely on understanding and treatment. It's become about medicine and treatment from both ends. Although Psychiatrists and doctors are only licensed to prescribe. And a lack of understanding too. Which is a problem. None of it is that scientific if you really think about it. Some of it is as far as what to prescribe and how much. And how to study things at a lower level. But a lot of it is out of control imo. It's a medical specialty that has run rampant because of gross negligence.

mooreandrew58 posted...

Its still super simple dont go into a pot smokers house. I dont forsee it being allowed to walk down the street with a blunt in your hand. And if they do it should carry the samw consequences as someone walking down the street taking swigs from a bottle of Jack.

To be fair, the smell can emanate from quite a distance - I've been out some nights and can literally smell it across town. I really doubt it is possible for a person to get 'sick' from the smell, but it can generate feelings of nausea or headaches.

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Honestly weed is better sometimes. I smoke two joints in the morning. I smoke two joints at night. I smoke two joints before i smoke two joints and then I smoke two more. Really though drugs are bad. If people were healthy and had sense they wouldn't need any of it.

Gladius_ posted...

I expect when it is finally federally legalized it will only have the same restrictions as cigarettes because most people pushing for legalization want exactly that. They want to smoke it at home, outside the resteraunt, at the bus stop etc. Honestly I argue cigarettes shouldn't be that freely smoked either but the truth is..

People only care about others who are in the minority unless their current problems don't effect what they want to do in life. The moment someone's dissability requires them to make a lifestyle change to exist safely/comfortably they stop caring about those people but are totally okay with caring about the others.

To make it less confusing..

Person A: The Republican party is evil and that's why I am a social Democrat. I stand up for the little guy and believe, even if you are disabled/a minority, you deserve the right to live like everyone else. We should make changes to protect people with vulnerabilities even if it requires lifestyle changes.

Person B: Agreed, this is why we should limit smoking to your own home or only in designated smoke areas. Same with marijuana. These should not be done out in public that would put people who are allergic in danger.

Person A: Woah woah woah. Time out. I was looking to really enjoy getting to relax and pull out a joint right after eating my meal at the diner. When I said I care about minorities/disabled I didn't mean THOSE minorities.

Im all for restrictions on where its smoked. Plus with legalization other forms of weed we be a thing. Edibles and such so it could go that way too.

Im more for restrictions based on the fact it alters your mindset and I dont care for a bunch of fucked up people meandering around in public. But the allergy thing is a fine reason too. To be fair ive never heard of thr allergy. Met people allergic to tobacco smoke but never that.

But while id prefer legalization that woulf be a luxury decriminalization however needs to happen. I work as a correctional officer. I got enough head ache dealing with murderers rapists and thieves. Get the drug offenders out. Prison aint the place for em. Doesn't do them any good

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I would trust a plant coming out of the ground before I would trust a lot of what gets approved by the fda. And even that there are better ways to be healthy. People are born with all sorts of disfunctions because of the sins that came before or things done to them by bad people. Medicating takes the edge off sometimes so people can function without pain. If these medications were actually healing cells without all the adverse side effects that would be one thing, and some of them do with the right dose. But even still your body builds immune systems on it's own through exposure. Being allergic to things is good sometimes and a natural defense against unwanted and unhealthy things.

If I could sit out in my guard station smoking a bowl watching the sun rise, I'd be soooooo happy. My neighbors, the police, not so much lol.

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A lot of doctors just prescriibe garbage that is completely unnecessary. It would be one thing if all these doctors had such amazing integrity and were smart about what these drugs are actually doing that would be one thing. I like to think that way but more times than not that's not what they are doing. They are selling junk because it pays their bills and screwing people over. And people gobble it up instead of actually living healthier lives. Just to deal with the pain.

kg88222 posted...

I would trust a plant coming out of the ground before I would trust a lot of what gets approved by the fda. And even that there are better ways to be healthy. People are born with all sorts of disfunctions because of the sins that came before or things done to them by bad people. Medicating takes the edge off sometimes so people can function without pain. If these medications were actually healing cells without all the adverse side effects that would be one thing, and some of them do with the right dose. But even still your body builds immune systems on it's own through exposure. Being allergic to things is good sometimes and a natural defense against unwanted and unhealthy things.

I'm starting to think that maybe you aren't a great source on what is and isn't science

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Gladius_ posted...

My take is far more realistic and your take is targeting a specific demograph while ignoring superior arguments that are actually made in good faith. Like my pointing out people who are allergic and will have another hurdle to avoid.

I am glad so far my argument is being entertained than another "Forget sick people lol not my problem."

Some people are allergic to water. Ban water

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I really think there is an over medicating epidemic going on because of gross negligence on so many levels. That is scientific. People are not coping in other ways including doctors. Sometimes there are much more common sense fixes like understanding what is going on. I get why and it's meant to be a buffer so people can function. But it's also about money and a bandaid and easy because there is money it. When there are more common sense solutions. Doctors are overloaded etc. Blah,blah. Why is that too? Education, cost of education. Etc, etc.. Bad doctors. Bad patients. It's cyclical. Everyone has an excuse. People spend their lives in the health care system being milked like cows.

Don't forget about "the sins that came before," that's a very important step here


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FlameTurtle posted...

Don't forget about "the sins that came before," that's a very important step here

Gotta include metaphysics while you're peddling the rest of that bs.
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I don't even mean that in a religious sense either. People were fighting wars in vietnam smoking packs of cigs a day and popping out kids on the side when they got home. Hence the baby boomers and their offspring. That causes genetic problems.

kg88222 posted...

People were fighting wars in vietnam smoking packs of cigs a day and popping out kids on the side when they got home. Hence the baby boomers.

Yes, the soldiers in Nam coming back home to give birth to the Baby Boomers. That's exactly right, you nailed it.

Is there any field that you aren't an expert in?

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Gladius_ posted...

The problem is that if you're not allergic this sounds great. Except it clings to places and to people. More people smoking it openly means more people on the street, outside their home, in their cars, in parking lots, right outside a resteraunt etc. Places where people can't really adequately avoid a confrontation. At least not easily.

Unless you mean you can only smoke it in the confines of your own yard and home. Even then.

Ban smoking it. Weed edibles are a healthier choice.

If you have no children in your household you can smoke on your own private property.


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nothanks1 posted...

so long as employees can get fired for being high then I'm happy

There isnt any legislation in most states that already legalized it that protects people in the workforce. I think Arizona has something, but they will not hire you in Colorado

Holy shit this topic got fucking stupid

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King_Hutton posted...

Holy shit this topic got fucking stupid

I just saw it was 250 and couldn't imagine who/what has been shitting it up.

Anyone care to summarize what the fuck happened in here?

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