Current Events > Barack Obama: You lose people with 'snappy' slogans like 'defund the police'

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Vampire_Wreath posted...

Do you respect Louis Farrakhan more than Obama?

@2Pacavelli

Yes I do actually and I'll explain why. Minister Farrakhan speaks the truth even when its unpopular, unlike anyone else living on this planet. And hes not responsible for the murder of anyone

Barack Obama on the otherhand covers for police officers and civilians who do murder. His Departmenr of Justice exonerated Officer Daniel Pantaleo in Eric Garners murder and George Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin's murder by finding that neither of the victims rights had been violated.

And Barack Obama executed a war in Libya that destroyed a prosperous stable nation that was doing good for itself and the African continent. And not only that but the consequences of that war brought back modern day chattel slavery and left Libya in a state of ruin. Minister Farrakhan himself warned and advised Barack Obama not to do this and warned it would end in disaster and be a huge mistake during his presidency but Obama did it anyway. Everything that the Minister warned Obama about came to pass

And Obama has also shown open contempt and disrespect to the very people who helped get him elected by calling the people crying for justice in the streets of Baltimore after Freddie Grays murder thugs and criminals.

The Minister

https://youtu.be/DvtxaYIjLqg

I don't hate Obama, but I am disappointed in how he betrayed our people during his presidency by allowing himself to be used as a puppet to keep the status quo. And I'm disappointed in the continued open contempt he shows us after his presidency in his words towards young Black people who simply want justice. Justice that he failed to provide when he had the power to provide back when he was president. At this point if he has nothing positive to say or do that will improve the condition of our people he should just sit down. He's done enough damage

And I haven't even gone in to the insulting stunt he pulled when he tried to pass off the poisioned Flint water as safe while also attempting to minimize the negative effects of lead by claiming he ate lead chips once when he was 2 years old. Dozens of people actually died from the water and he treated the incident like a joke

InhumaneRaider posted...

People need to understand, these are not popular policies to run on. 'Defund the Police', 'Abolish ICE' are not popular positions.

they aren't popular among people running for office, but they are very popular among the general population

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Obama is a piece of shit, worst president ever. Fuck him.

averagejoel posted...

they aren't popular among people running for office, but they are very popular among the general population

NPR - Police Viewed Less Favorably, But Few Want To 'Defund' Them, Survey Finds

On a point advocated by many of the protesters, only a quarter of those surveyed (25%) said that funding for the police should be decreased. Seventy-three percent said they thought funding for the police should either stay about the same (42%), be increased a little (20%) or a lot (11%).

https://tinyurl.com/y62r2drb


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InhumaneRaider posted...

People need to understand, these are not popular policies to run on. 'Defund the Police', 'Abolish ICE' are not popular positions. I agree, there needs to be a reallocation of funds to other social programs or services to handle aspects that Police shouldn't be handling But Republicans and Conservatives have ran off with the slogan of "Defunding the Police" meaning, "Get rid of the police", you see it in those stupid Kelly Loeffler ads. So of course it's not going to be popular position.

Only like one Democrat ran on it .. she won BTW. This slogan came from the people the Democrats and Obama turn their backs on.

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2Pacavelli posted...

Yes I do actually and I'll explain why. Minister Farrakhan speaks the truth even when its unpopular, unlike anyone else living on this planet. And hes not responsible for the murder of anyone

Barack Obama on the otherhand covers for police officers and civilians who do murder. His Departmenr of Justice exonerated Officer Daniel Pantaleo in Eric Garners murder and George Zimmerman in Trayvon Martin's murder by finding that neither of the victims rights had been violated....

Thanks for that video .

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Vampire_Wreath posted...

True, just like Black Lives Matter

ALL LIVES MATTER.

Obama hit the nail on it again

lets not get carried away

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pure_temper posted...

NPR - Police Viewed Less Favorably, But Few Want To 'Defund' Them, Survey Finds

On a point advocated by many of the protesters, only a quarter of those surveyed (25%) said that funding for the police should be decreased. Seventy-three percent said they thought funding for the police should either stay about the same (42%), be increased a little (20%) or a lot (11%).

https://tinyurl.com/y62r2drb

25% is quite a large portion of the population. if memory serves, 25% is roughly the portion of the population that voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 (about 50% of americans voted, and about 50% of the votes went to her)

now, what percentage of people running for office had "reduce police funding" as one of their positions? I don't know the answer to that, but I bet it's nowhere close to 25%. if I had to guess, I would say it's probably closer to 1%

so based on those results, I would conclude that defunding the police as a political position is underrepresented in candidates running for office

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25% isn't "very popular", no matter the spin.

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shnangyboos posted...

25% isn't "very popular", no matter the spin.

I'll concede that "very popular" is an extremely subjective metric, and is as such unfalsifiable

still, it's far more popular among the general population than among elected officials. which was really my point in the first place

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averagejoel posted...

Obama is unambiguously right-wing. what's so strange about the Left saying "fuck you" to him?

Dumb take.


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averagejoel is riddled with inaccuracies itt

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LMAO the betrayal against Obama ITT shows the fickle entity we have in the left. Stay home if you have no convictions. Let the real men like me take the helm. We'll make things right for all of us.

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MC_BatCommander posted...

He's not wrong. People tend to react without thinking and completely miss the meaning. Same goes for something like toxic masculinity

what? how do they miss the meaning of toxic masculinity?

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DoubleOSnake posted...

what? how do they miss the meaning of toxic masculinity?

Post a topic about it on CE and see what happens.

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thread

https://twitter.com/Breliloquy/status/1334223268329426949?s=19

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CyricZ posted...

Post a topic about it on CE and see what happens.

yeah i have kinda noticed this. But the better question is, why do ce users react that way when one of those topics is posted?

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DoubleOSnake posted...

yeah i have kinda noticed this. But the better question is, why do ce users react that way when one of those topics is posted?

you know why

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no , why?

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averagejoel posted...

thread

https://twitter.com/Breliloquy/status/1334223268329426949?s=19

You're almost there

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Build America Back Better - Rebuild America to a better place
We can do it - Through unity we can make things better
Hope - a positive buzzword that most can relate to

They are slogans but they have meaning and are very easy to interpret whether you agree with them or not. It definitely asks for something but not in a hostile reactional way that you far lefties like. You people literally want to serve justice through fear and think you're the good guys.

You literally and technically can't be a progressive if you're going to use the same tyrannical tactics as the opposition. It's high time you guys realize this.

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DoubleOSnake posted...

no , why?

because this board is full of far-right nutjobs

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Doom_Art posted...

You're almost there

I'm certainly closer than you are

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It's so tiring and taxing to be fighting Trump supporters and these far leftists at the same time, I tell ya what.

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averagejoel posted...

I'm certainly closer than you are

Good one lol

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Veggeta X posted...

They are slogans but they have meaning and are very easy to interpret whether you agree with them or not.

but they're easy to interpret any way you want to interpret them. and that's the problem

definitely asks for something but not in a hostile reactional way that you far lefties like.

what does "hostile reactional" mean exactly?

You people literally want to serve justice through fear and think you're the good guys.

not sure where you got this idea, but it's completely wrong

You literally and technically can't be a progressive if you're going to use the same tyrannical tactics as the opposition. It's high time you guys realize this.

saying "defund the police" is a tyrannical tactic?

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DoubleOSnake posted...

yeah i have kinda noticed this. But the better question is, why do ce users react that way when one of those topics is posted?

Prejudice on the words being said.
Willful ignorance.
Insecurity.

I was gonna say this gets a bit off-topic, but now that I write those symptoms, it's pretty parallel to the topic at hand isn't it.

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Doom_Art posted...

Good one lol

if you actually explain what in the thread you take issue with, then we might be able to have a conversation, and you might learn something

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Veggeta X posted...

to serve justice through fear

You mean the system we have now?

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averagejoel posted...

if you actually explain what in the thread you take issue with, then we might be able to have a conversation, and you might learn something

He doesn't want a conversation or to learn though. He never has.

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averagejoel posted...

what does "hostile reactional" mean exactly?

averagejoel posted...

not sure where you got this idea, but it's completely wrong

The twitter post literally says to cause fear dude.

CyricZ posted...

You mean the system we have now?

Veggeta X posted...

You literally and technically can't be a progressive if you're going to use the same tyrannical tactics as the opposition. It's high time you guys realize this.

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why do people still take joel seriously idgi

Veggeta X posted...

The twitter post literally says to cause fear dude.

no, it literally does not

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averagejoel posted...

no, it literally does not

Alright. How does the "Demand" and "They don't scare" mean to you if the tweet didn't imply it doesn't have enough fear or demand in there.

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averagejoel posted...

no, it literally does not

No see when the post says these things "don't scare middle america white ladies", it's apparently perfectly valid to assume the point of these slogans is to scare people.

Because as we all know, every fear we ever have is perfectly justified and the result of bad actors trying to make us scared.

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

why do people still take joel seriously idgi

they're trying to get a discount on flute lessons

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Veggeta X posted...

Alright. How does the "Demand" and "They don't scare" mean to you if the tweet didn't imply it doesn't have enough fear or demand in there.

it means "they don't scare"

you should consider actually engaging with the words people are saying, rather than reading between some imaginary lines to interpret some hidden meaning that isn't there.

in this particular case, you should also consider reading the rest of the thread for context

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averagejoel posted...

it means "they don't scare"

And there's no other implications with it huh? Even if you're only able to understand what you're able to, does anyone else saying it makes them feel a different way matter then? I bet not.

I just want you guys to know your methods are not progressive and are actually taking steps back but you do your thing.

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If you have to spend too much time explaining the nuances of a slogan then its not a god slogan. That said, if a "good slogan" were the key, then racism and police brutality would have been eradicated a long time ago. How many decades have people been saying reform the police? People are tired of incremental piecemeal changes. People thought that body cams would be a good deterrent against police brutality and misconduct, turns out that was not true.

Arguing semantics is a waste of time, addressing the systemic problem that we have in law enforcement and the criminal justice system as a whole is much harder and there are those that aren't ready for that conversation, so there's this fixation on a slogan that all of one Democrat ran on.

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averagejoel posted...

25% is quite a large portion of the population. if memory serves, 25% is roughly the portion of the population that voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 (about 50% of americans voted, and about 50% of the votes went to her)

I just want to point out how ludicrous this reasoning is. You should feel bad.

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you should highlight his INACCURACIES because that's the only language he speaks

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Revisiting Obama's words: by "people" he means "me". He's just laundering his opposition through imagined others.

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Veggeta X posted...

And there's no other implications with it huh?

not without seriously twisting the words

Even if you're only able to understand what you're able to, does anyone else saying it makes them feel a different way matter then? I bet not.

we're not talking about people's feelings here. we're talking about the actual words that someone said.

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COVxy posted...

I just want to point out how ludicrous this reasoning is. You should feel bad.

it's a comparison point. it's not "reasoning"

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For Obama snappy slogans are cool as long as you don't act on them like "hope and change".

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averagejoel posted...

not without seriously twisting the words

we're not talking about people's feelings here. we're talking about the actual words that someone said.

I'm done talking to you because it's very obvious you only see what you want to see and only understand context when it only benefits you. Enjoy living in a bubble.

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Veggeta X posted...

I'm done talking to you because it's very obvious you only see what you want to see and only understand context when it only benefits you.

LOL this is rich

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You don't see any implications to words and statement when you don't want to. You want to talk about context when there's a need for better understanding. You have the same problem as any far leftist and Trump supporters. I'm sure you'll live on thinking you're the voice of reason, though. Good luck.

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Veggeta X posted...

You don't see any implications to words and statement when you don't want to.

you see implications that aren't there when you want to

You want to talk about context when there's a need for better understanding.

yes, context is generally necessary to understand things

have the same problem as any far leftist and Trump supporters.

not sure which "problem" you're talking about, but those are two very different groups, and they don't have very much in common.

I'm sure you'll live on thinking you're the voice of reason, though.

I have literally never claimed anything even remotely close to this

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averagejoel posted...

I have literally never claimed anything even remotely close to this

LOL okay no need to talk to someone who don't want to be reasonable. Let's see you spin what you just admit.

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