Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 347: The Indian in the Cabinet

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LinkMarioSamus posted...

Why do people commonly peddle the notion of dead people voting? Is there any truth to it?

Also apparently some YT commenters say Sidney Powell, now working independently of Trump's legal team, has supposedly been given too little time to find evidence of voter fraud. How is that supposed to work? What does that even mean?

People are dumb/have an agenda. No. It doesn't. It means democrats are especially good at hiding their vans full of Biden votes from patriotic republicans like Powell who just needs a bit more time to find them, preferably just in time for Trump to leave office in 2024, haha.

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Oh right, I forgot.

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I KNOW that Bigfoot exists! You just didn't give me enough time to find evidence before the start of the "Bigfoot is Real Rally" that i'm insisting on holding.

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I'm not even entirely sure why I follow people like those. They basically dismiss everything from the "mainstream" media because they think it's full of junk (might have a point), but then they hinge onto tiny conspiracy theories just because they were completely blindsided by the actual result.

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You'd be better for not taking those people seriously, yes.

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https://news.yahoo.com/fox-paid-seven-figures-to-settle-lawsuit-over-bogus-seth-rich-conspiracy-story-003236858.html

Nice to see his family get something for all that garbage they were put through
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LinkMarioSamus posted...

Why do people commonly peddle the notion of dead people voting? Is there any truth to it?

Also apparently some YT commenters say Sidney Powell, now working independently of Trump's legal team, has supposedly been given too little time to find evidence of voter fraud. How is that supposed to work? What does that even mean?

Dead people voting isn't anything new so technically yes there's truth to it in that it happens and with mail in voting it becomes a lot easier. But the demand is for some high five or six figures and that's just not the case.

If it were then she'd need a ton of proof and that's to the second question: it doesn't work. She's just putting on a show and in her chance to prove her claims as something more, she showed absolutely nothing. What she/people supporting her mean is that the fraud is so rampant that it's impossible to find it all and deal with it in a month. What's actually meant is she's got nothing but is bullshitting hard. Her whole "this isn't for you, I can't show anybody this info, only the courts!" nonsense is one of the biggest pleas to ignorance in the whole mess.

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pennsylvania and nevada called for biden.

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Wanglicious posted...

you can definitely say he resigned because of Trump/Barr pressure, you can also say he resigned because he fucked up the case by withholding that evidence.

you really think there's a reasonable possibility it had nothing to do with trump/barr pressure?

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Jakyl25 posted...

https://news.yahoo.com/fox-paid-seven-figures-to-settle-lawsuit-over-bogus-seth-rich-conspiracy-story-003236858.html

Nice to see his family get something for all that garbage they were put through

Should be way more than 7 figures.

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tbh I'd take a million bucks to have my family's name raked through the mud <_<

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brains' a bit murky with that wording because law stuff being talked about. reasonable in a legal sense, yes. personally, lmao no. by all means if you wanna put the administration to task, go for it, but a defendant should always walk when the prosecutor drops the case. only exceptions that exist are pro-defendant, not pro-prosecution. that probably applies to all the west but definitely does for the US.

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

tbh I'd take a million bucks to have my family's name raked through the mud <_<

And having lunatics harass you and accuse you of not caring about your son's death/claiming you were in on it as part of the "deep state"?

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I feel like its a bit different if its your dead son being dragged through the mud
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With a million dollars I could relocate, buy a house and have money leftover. Say what you want about me :/

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Well the primary issue I think is that all the mud-dragging occurred before the money came into play so there was no guarantee of a payout when the shit was initially occurring. But you guarantee the money is coming and I would certainly take that scenario.

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totally would take the money as well. that's a solid life changing amount.


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Jeez and I thought I was the one downplaying emotional torment in this topic
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Peace___Frog posted...

You'd be better for not taking those people seriously, yes.

I unsubscribed from Hard Bastard, but then I still come across others mentioning stuff like Biden receiving sudden vote spikes or trucks which have more than 100000 votes for him and none for Trump. Taken altogether it looks like people are desperately trying to cite certain statistics to justify why things didn't go their way.

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Jakyl25 posted...

Jeez and I thought I was the one downplaying emotional torment in this topic

More money = less emotional torment in your day-to-day life as the struggle to exist is lessened

For the lower and middle economic class, money literally buys happiness

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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Well the primary issue I think is that all the mud-dragging occurred before the money came into play so there was no guarantee of a payout when the shit was initially occurring. But you guarantee the money is coming and I would certainly take that scenario.

And then a crazy person shows up at your door and shoots you and your wife dead.

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KamikazePotato posted...

More money = less emotional torment in your day-to-day life as the struggle to exist is lessened

For the lower and middle economic class, money literally buys happiness

Its literally the Rich family <_<
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TheRock1525 posted...

And then a crazy person shows up at your door and shoots you and your wife dead.

Not after I've moved away!

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The pardon for Michael Flynn is official.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1331706255212228608

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A judge just ordered a halt to PA's certification... After it happened?

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Yes, it's for the legislature. They also have a role in the process and are on hold for now basically. There's some confusion on whether it was a judge, the legislature themselves, or both but it's another legal step that'll probably be settled by Friday anyway.

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Yeah, looking into it more it's based on the Mike Kelly case over the mail-in voting expansion, where they still haven't given a reason why they waited until now to challenge, so I assume it's not going to go anywhere.

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It halts the delivery of commissions to the Democratic electors. The Legislature has commenced separate hearings regarding the fraud allegations, and Giuliani has been presenting his case before a committee today.

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HashtagSEP posted...

Yeah, looking into it more it's based on the Mike Kelly case over the mail-in voting expansion, where they still haven't given a reason why they waited until now to challenge, so I assume it's not going to go anywhere.

https://twitter.com/johnfetterman/status/1331679936340512771?s=21

At least according to the Lt. Gov this doesnt impact the presidential race and it is Kelly asking them to not certify his own race (which they havent certified yet).

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red sox 777 posted...

It halts the delivery of commissions to the Democratic electors. The Legislature has commenced separate hearings regarding the fraud allegations, and Giuliani has been presenting his case before a committee today.

Ah so this explains the confusion happening.

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Absolutely disgusting

Hopefully Flynns charged for his kidnapping plot etc after Trumps out of office.

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Good job President Trump. Please press on with blanket pardons for all persons who were convicted based on acts that if they were done by anyone other than a prosecutor would constitute extortion and blackmail.

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I feel like the pardon power is a bit too powerful. Remember Matt Bevin's terrible slew of pardons?

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Dancedreamer posted...

I feel like the pardon power is a bit too powerful. Remember Matt Bevin's terrible slew of pardons?

Yeah. Personally I'd be in favor of amending the constitution to remove the ability to pardon someone with personal ties to the pardoner (though I think that would only affect one of Bevin's gross pardons).

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Would honestly remove pardoning altogether.

In Flynn's case, hopefully they will get him on something else.

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Doesn't a pardon remove Michael Flynn's fifth amendment protection?

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pardon being powerful is a good thing.


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Wanglicious posted...

pardon being powerful is a good thing.

Absolute pardon power allows the president to have people to commit crimes on his behalf with no consequences besides possibly impeachment (which is in fact what happened in the Stone case). Put me down for that being a bad thing.

(Also the president could literally sell pardons)

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LordoftheMorons posted...

(Also the president could literally sell pardons)

In fairness, the President can literally do anything. Trump has established that the President is above the law.

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absolute pardon power also makes sure there's no concern of legal arguments or bullshit to weave through. it's just done and whoever is the target of it is free to go.

also governors pardon too.

seriously, you want more pardons, not less, not more restrictions on it. you want this thing to be broad for maximum value and effect.

edit:
don't think he can self pardon, no.
it's an interesting question but leans towards a no he can't.

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I mean if the issue (presumably) is that the criminal justice system is too punitive, fix that directly instead of leaving it up to one person's whims.

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Wanglicious posted...

seriously, you want more pardons, not less, not more restrictions on it. you want this thing to be broad for maximum value and effect.

Stop phrasing your own arguments as if they're things other people want. Either own it yourself or stop posting it.

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TheRock1525 posted...

Doesn't a pardon remove Michael Flynn's fifth amendment protection?

According to twitter, Flynn can be forced to testify against Trump now, and theres nothing he can do, and if he lies hes totally fucked.

No idea how true this is, but the fifth amendment trend seems to think this is going to bite Flynn and Trump in the ass.

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They should change the pardon so presidents can't use it between Election Day and Inauguration Day. It's ridiculous how often they bail out terrible people once they don't have to worry about consequences.
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how can anyone argue "the president can pardon criminals" is a good thing

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Wanglicious posted...

absolute pardon power also makes sure there's no concern of legal arguments or bullshit to weave through. it's just done and whoever is the target of it is free to go.

Yeah this is a very bad thing. Thanks for arguing against yourself?

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you don't go for a single target for reform and the pardon isn't really something of a target for this either. it's the ultimate, last ditch hail mary available that is as absolute as it gets. logically it makes sense too since it's the executive who enforces the law after all; if the executive says you're free to go, then you're free to go, regardless of what anyone in any other branch says.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

how can anyone argue "the president can pardon criminals" is a good thing

I mean, sometimes the law is bad. This part isn't too hard to explain.

I think the bigger issue is when criminal presidents pardon other criminals who did crimes for them.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

how can anyone argue "the president can pardon criminals" is a good thing

...there's an implication that when you pardon, they're a criminal. now this doesn't always have to be the case but generally it leans to that direction and is usually applied to people who are.

Kenri posted...

Stop phrasing your own arguments as if they're things other people want. Either own it yourself or stop posting it.

nah, i'll phrase things how i want. in fact i'll do it more often instead just to piss you off~


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Wanglicious posted...

nah, i'll phrase things how i want. in fact i'll do it more often instead just to piss you off~

You don't want to do that, actually.

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