Current Events > So now the Trump Campaign's argument is PA's election violated the Constitution?

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https://globalnews.ca/news/7453410/us-election-trump-lawsuit-pennsylvania/

jfc
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*facedesk*

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I'm not clear on how the appeal is defining "less oversight" in relation to a "two tiered system"?

The lawsuit claims Pennsylvania officials violated the U.S. Constitution by creating an illegal two-tiered voting system where voting in-person was subject to more oversight than voting by mail.

can't wait to see the evidence for this!

and here it is!

theres nothing. literally nothing. you lost donnie give it up.

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I saw a comment on Reddit that was pretty funny.

Someone should tell Trump how old the constitution is so hell stop trying to fuck it

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Good luck with that.
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The lawsuit claims Pennsylvania officials violated the U.S. Constitution by creating an illegal two-tiered voting system where voting in-person was subject to more oversight than voting by mail.

If anything that's the exact opposite, the mail in ballots were subjected to more oversight.

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Relevant bits of the constitution:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxii

I don't see the problem here.

They never had, nor will they ever have a real argument. And this distinct lack of competence is really all the evidence you need to know Republicans by and large are not actually trying to help Trump steal the election like he thought they would. They're just paying him lip service to placate his cult until January.
Then they'll have four years (since I doubt they'll put too much effort into trying to "save" 2022) to reprogram their electorate to pretend they were never subservient to Trump. Whether or not it works remains to be seen, but cultists do not typically stop drinking the koolaid just because "the man" tells them it's literally poison.

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Were_Wyrm posted...

The lawsuit claims Pennsylvania officials violated the U.S. Constitution by creating an illegal two-tiered voting system where voting in-person was subject to more oversight than voting by mail.

If anything that's the exact opposite, the mail in ballots were subjected to more oversight.

Yeah didnt they literally try to stop the count so they could force their own people in to "observe" the count?

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B6= ban forever Trump.
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his lawyers are cashing it in

Poop2 posted...

his lawyers are cashing it in

so is donnie. Half of the "donations" to fund these lawsuits goes to "clearing debts from the election campaign"

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Questionmarktarius posted...

Relevant bits of the constitution:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii
https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxii

I don't see the problem here.

What's the decreased oversight Trump is referring to?

Ruvan22 posted...

What's the decreased oversight Trump is referring to?

He wanted his team in the room where ballots were counted and he was told no

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Ruvan22 posted...

What's the decreased oversight Trump is referring to?

Lack of oversight over the popular vote can't be unconstitutional, because a presidential popular vote isn't in the constitution.

Irony posted...

He wanted his team in the room where ballots were counted and he was told no

A) I thought they were allowed a certain distance away?
B) That still seems an argument about state oversight, not campaigns?

Questionmarktarius posted...

Lack of oversight over the popular vote can't be unconstitutional, because a presidential popular vote isn't in the constitution.

No I'm asking what is the "decreased oversight" of mail in ballots that makes them "a second tier" (since that's what Trump is arguing)

Irony posted...

He wanted his team in the room where ballots were counted and he was told no

There were already Republicans and Democrats who had followed the proper legal process to watch the process and they were in the room. Just because Trump thinks they should just be able to barge in and be part of the process doesn't mean they can just go in and do it.

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Irony posted...

He wanted his team in the room where ballots were counted and he was told no

his team was in the room where ballots were counted, as admitted by his own lawyers. He wanted them to be closer then they were.

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Ruvan22 posted...

No I'm asking what is the "decreased oversight" of mail in ballots that makes them "a second tier" (since that's what Trump is arguing)

When I showed up to go vote the "usual" way, I had to show an ID, and two officials initialed my line in the registered voters list and the ballot itself.
A mail-in ballot doesn't really have that, maybe? Only a few states insist the ballot is notarized.

I Like Toast posted...

He wanted them to be closer then they were.

right up to the table as the ballots was counted. so everytime biden showed up they could grab the ballot and rip it up. no sleepy joe ballot now.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

When I showed up to go vote the "usual" way, I had to show an ID, and two officials initialed my line in the registered voters list and the ballot itself.
A mail-in ballot doesn't really have that, maybe? Only a few states insist the ballot is notarized.

PA only requires an ID for first time voters. If you vote in person, you sign when you you go to vote. If you vote by mail you sign the envelope and put your ballot in a secrecy envelope, that you don't do if you vote in person. What you do in not PA has no bearing on PA.

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I Like Toast posted...

his team was in the room where ballots were counted, as admitted by his own lawyers. He wanted them to be closer then they were.

Like Bilbo Baggins?

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I Like Toast posted...

PA only requires an ID for first time voters. If you vote in person, you sign when you you go to vote. If you vote by mail you sign the envelope and put your ballot in a secrecy envelope, that you don't do if you vote in person. What you do in not PA has no bearing on PA.

So the strategy should be finding something in PA's law, not trying to leverage a constitutional issue that doesn't exist.

these lawsuits have such low creativity in them that they get rejected immediately. they take two minutes to review

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Questionmarktarius posted...

So the strategy should be finding something in PA's law, not trying to leverage a constitutional issue that doesn't exist.

the strategy should be conceding, but trump need's more donations to settle up his debts.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-campaign-legal-defense-donations-debt/

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I Like Toast posted...

so is donnie. Half of the "donations" to fund these lawsuits goes to "clearing debts from the election campaign"

damn he really is a grifter

Poop2 posted...

griefer

fixed. sure loves to give biden grief.
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kingdrake2 posted...

fixed. sure loves to give biden grief.

do you not know what grifting is? biden gives 0 fucks about trump making a fool of himself and telling the GOP voters not trust the process when there is a critical race for the senate majority in 2 months.

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MrToothHasYou posted...

I read a thread earlier that was like over a hundred of these memes lol

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That's actually not a terrible argument. Bush v. Gore was decided on an equal protection issue. Get this in front of the right Judge and something bad might happen.
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lilORANG posted...

That's actually not a terrible argument. Bush v. Gore was decided on an equal protection issue. Get this in front of the right Judge and something bad might happen.

they're shotgunning it in hopes that it gets to to the Supreme court from one of these. it would have to be quite a coordinated effort to lie that hard, but sure, it could happen.

And to my previous point, they aren't thorough at all and don't have evidence, so it's going to be quite a bit more of a reach than Bush v. Gore.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

So the strategy should be finding something in PA's law, not trying to leverage a constitutional issue that doesn't exist.

The strategy should be accepting his loss, since he lost.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

The strategy should be accepting his loss, since he lost.

Trump is going to fight this until the electors vote, and possibly after. Probably because, you know...

I Like Toast posted...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-campaign-legal-defense-donations-debt/

No one else has pointed out the obvious? Even if Pennsylvania swung in his favor, he would still lose the election.

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Shadowplay posted...

No one else has pointed out the obvious? Even if Pennsylvania swung in his favor, he would still lose the election.

he wants to get the entire election thrown out by the Supreme Court.

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kingdrake2 posted...

fixed. sure loves to give biden grief.

republicans getting more pathetic