Current Events > Had democracts went w/ Bernie or Yang instead of Biden...

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CobraGT
11/04/20 3:07:10 PM
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ncsonic posted...
Yangs huge, he will influence major policy one day

I would like to see this.

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CruelBuffalo
11/04/20 3:10:22 PM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
The ship kind of sailed on Bernie being the nominee, but he had fantastic Latino outreach(which won him Nevada and California and almost Texas. He even won Cuban Democrats in Florida) and did very well with younger black voters as well. It's hard to say how much of that would carry into the general, and whether that would be enough vs. almost certainly doing worse with white voters(especially older ones), and then there's the possibility that the Democratic Party might have actively sabotaged him(as Blairites in the Labour Party did to Corbyn in the UK, for what it mattered).

But, given Biden has done worse with BIPOC than any recent Democratic nominee, I don't think you're going out on a limb by suggesting Bernie likely would have done better. Then there's the fact his campaign would have centered his support of popular policies like Medicare for All, a $15 minimum wage, etc. etc.
It would be a completely different race, is my point, and this is all the time I'm going to spend on playing "what if?" Unfortunately, we have to grapple with what is.


I really really beg you to look into Florida. You keep repeating this false narrative Sanders won Cubans.

Biden beat Sanders amongst Cubans. Plus Bloomberg + Biden Dwarfs Sanders
https://twitter.com/uclalatino/status/1240081090141761537
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Solid Snake07
11/04/20 3:11:22 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
I don't think that's true. Also, people support a lot of "extreme" policies if you state them without screaming "socialism! communism!" at the same time. For some reason, messaging matters more than the message.


Bernie was easily the easiest target to label a socialist. Not only would he have lost, he would have lost badly. No chance in hell he would have carried any of these key swing states.

He wasn't even realistically close to beating Biden for the nomination. I get you guys aren't thrilled about Biden but you're talking nonsense

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ThanksUglyGod
11/04/20 3:13:55 PM
#54:


MMA-SAN posted...
In both cases Bernie & Yang steal conservative voters away from Trump.
Oh my sweet, summer child. You really think conservatives are gonna vote for ANY Democrat, let alone those two?
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Darmik
11/04/20 3:14:35 PM
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Maybe but I don't have hope that America is progressive enough. Hell I think a large reason Trump got so many votes is because of people who don't want to be locked down to stop the spread of COVID.

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MMA-SAN
11/04/20 3:17:27 PM
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You guys are delusional.

If you start offering Americans guaranteed 1k a month then a the poor people & young will vote.

The majority of America is poor, nearly a quarter live in such poverty that if they miss a paycheck they could end up homeless.

Most kids 18-24 are poor just by the nature of being young. They live off there parents. 1k to party sounds nice.

The reason Yang lost is because nobody knew he existed. The Dems did everything in their power to black him our. The Dems don't actually care about helping Americans they just want to remain in power. Nominating Yang would have forced them out of power because Yang doesn't give a shit about the party line.

The only thing the Dems & Republicans have in common is they both line power & money. Neither wants Yang to win.

If you are standing in line to vote Trump or Biden and some Asian dude walks up and gives you 48k in cash to vote for him instead...what are you going to do.

If Yang can get his message out. He wins. UBI was the key to beating Trump, and on the flip side it was the key to defeating Biden. But neither side actually wants to end poverty...if they did that then they wouldn't be super rich anymore.
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Endgame
11/04/20 3:19:34 PM
#57:


MMA-SAN posted...
Like them or hate them, Bernie & Yang are not liberal puppets.

The problem isn't that Biden is a liberal puppet.

The problem is that Biden is a conservative puppet.
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Broseph_Stalin
11/04/20 3:21:15 PM
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Wasn't Elated a normal person at one point? He's turned into some Admiralesque bot who just post lies in topics and then leaves without responding to anyone.
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1337toothbrush
11/04/20 3:23:40 PM
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Solid Snake07 posted...
Bernie was easily the easiest target to label a socialist. Not only would he have lost, he would have lost badly. No chance in hell he would have carried any of these key swing states.

He wasn't even realistically close to beating Biden for the nomination. I get you guys aren't thrilled about Biden but you're talking nonsense
Yet Biden was still labeled a socialist. Didn't make a difference other than losing voters who are looking for something in a candidate other than "he's not Trump".

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CruelBuffalo
11/04/20 3:24:44 PM
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1337toothbrush posted...

Yet Biden was still labeled a socialist. Didn't make a difference other than losing voters who are looking for something in a candidate other than "he's not Trump".

Didnt make a difference? Biden won the election.

It did hurt Democrats in Miami with the socialist messaging and we lost house seats there.
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Broseph_Stalin
11/04/20 3:26:26 PM
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MMA-SAN posted...
You guys are delusional.

If you start offering Americans guaranteed 1k a month then a the poor people & young will vote.

Bernie promised to double the federal budget with his entitlement programs. He didn't bring any new voters out. Biden did.

Who is delusional here?
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1337toothbrush
11/04/20 3:29:30 PM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Didnt make a difference? Biden won the election.

It did hurt Democrats in Miami with the socialist messaging and we lost house seats there.
Hmm, maybe it's because Cubans aren't the only people voting. DUH. You're pretending like the socialism line makes all the fucking difference in the world, yet Biden barely beat a racist fascist who fucked up a pandemic response and led to over 200k deaths. This is the clown that Biden barely beat and you think that's an amazing victory? Now we'll go back in a circle with you saying "well Biden beat Bernie in the primaries!!!!111 DERRRRRP"

primaries =/= general
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primaries =/= general

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Phynaster
11/04/20 3:30:22 PM
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Why are we feeding the rando alt-right alt

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hockeybub89
11/04/20 3:30:27 PM
#64:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
Bernie promised to double the federal budget with his entitlement programs. He didn't bring any new voters out. Biden did.

Who is delusional here?
Voters

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1337toothbrush
11/04/20 3:30:53 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
Bernie promised to double the federal budget with his entitlement programs. He didn't bring any new voters out. Biden did.

Who is delusional here?
He didn't bring any new voters out to the party primaries which mainly only party diehards vote in.
primaries =/= general

Get it through your head already.

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CruelBuffalo
11/04/20 3:32:16 PM
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1337toothbrush posted...

Hmm, maybe it's because Cubans aren't the only people voting. DUH. You're pretending like the socialism line makes all the fucking difference in the world, yet Biden barely beat a racist fascist who fucked up a pandemic response and led to over 200k deaths. This is the clown that Biden barely beat and you think that's an amazing victory? Now we'll go back in a circle with you saying "well Biden beat Bernie in the primaries!!!!111 DERRRRRP"

primaries =/= general
primaries =/= general
primaries =/= general
primaries =/= general
primaries =/= general


You need to chill out because this didnt have a point other than to have a tantrum.
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Broseph_Stalin
11/04/20 3:32:25 PM
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1337toothbrush posted...
He didn't bring any new voters out to the party primaries which mainly only party diehards vote in.
primaries =/= general

Get it through your head already.

Biden increased turnout even in the primaries lmao don't you get tired of being wrong about everything?
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MMA-SAN
11/04/20 4:05:45 PM
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
Bernie promised to double the federal budget with his entitlement programs. He didn't bring any new voters out. Biden did.

Who is delusional here?

Nobody knows what that means. The majority of Americans still don't know how to hide their browsing history when watching porn. They are uneducated blue collar workers.

Bernie appealed to college educated folk. He spoke in terms only they could understand. This is why Trump is so popular among Blue Collar Middle America. They can actually understand him when he talks.

All Yang had to do was say if you vote for me I'm going to give you 48 thousand dollars no strings attached. This is something the impoverished can understand.
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wannabepranksta
11/04/20 4:35:11 PM
#69:


legendarylemur posted...
Yeah people aren't actually that racist, just that Trump ran a particularly compelling race-based race. Obama v the 2 opponents had very little to no racial marketing involved
Yes, people are actually that racist. If you deny, you're just being delusional.

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emblem boy
11/04/20 4:44:53 PM
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I don't really see that being the conclusion TC
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Broseph_Stalin
11/04/20 4:45:11 PM
#71:


MMA-SAN posted...
All Yang had to do was say if you vote for me I'm going to give you 48 thousand dollars no strings attached.

He did. He lost. Badly.
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MMA-SAN
11/04/20 5:07:40 PM
#72:


emblem boy posted...
I don't really see that being the conclusion TC

If I give you 48 thousand dollars will you vote for who I tell you to?
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MMA-SAN
11/04/20 5:07:56 PM
#73:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
He did. He lost. Badly.

Nobody knew who he was.
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1337toothbrush
11/04/20 5:08:14 PM
#74:


CruelBuffalo posted...
You need to chill out because this didnt have a point other than to have a tantrum.
I have to repeat it because saying it once didn't manage to make it into your head. Now when confronted with this, you cower and claim I'm having a tantrum. You have no response to the fact that primaries are not the same as the general election. Now fuck off.

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Feline_Heart
11/04/20 5:08:35 PM
#75:


SaltyWet posted...
People are too racist to vote for Yang and Bernie wouldn't sway the undecideds
Why would they be too racist to vote for Yang? We had a black President for 8 years

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1337toothbrush
11/04/20 5:10:11 PM
#76:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
Biden increased turnout even in the primaries lmao don't you get tired of being wrong about everything?
"The threat of Trump" increased turnout. Low-info voters just cast their ballot with Biden because the talking heads on the TV told them to. As always, you have the shallowest of all interpretations because you are incapable of thinking things through at any level of depth.

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TomNook20
11/04/20 5:11:56 PM
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Yang would have lost because of racism, even though he would be the perfect candidate to get us through covid.

Bernie would lose too because he's an evil socialist.

Biden is basically the most electable person the dems had because he can steal some white male votes.

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Broseph_Stalin
11/04/20 5:12:46 PM
#78:


1337toothbrush posted...
"The threat of Trump" increased turnout. Low-info voters just cast their ballot with Biden because the talking heads on the TV told them to

1337toothbrush posted...
As always, you have the shallowest of all interpretations because you are incapable of thinking things through at any level of depth.

Amazing stuff.
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1337toothbrush
11/04/20 5:15:49 PM
#79:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
Amazing stuff.
Your glorified "NO U" post is actually the opposite. That's okay, I'm sure you were giddy in scraping that shitpost together. Don't pat yourself too hard on the back for such "amazing" "wit".

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Broseph_Stalin
11/04/20 5:18:23 PM
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these sheeple are too dumb to realize i have an excuse for why my side loses every single time,
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the0rebirth
11/04/20 5:22:52 PM
#81:


America is dumb, and therefore bad things keep happening. We foster our own misery and let evil fucks constantly take advantage of us.

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1337toothbrush
11/04/20 5:37:40 PM
#82:


Broseph_Stalin posted...
these sheeple are too dumb to realize i have an excuse for why my side loses every single time,
So you think the ever-increasing wealth gap between the 0.01% and everyone else means that everyone supports a handful of assholes owning most of the wealth? After all, the assholes keep winning! You certainly seem to have your full support behind billionaires, seeing as you can't stop kissing their asses.

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Broseph_Stalin
11/04/20 5:40:37 PM
#83:


here's why the jets are actually the best team in the NFL,
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ultimate reaver
11/04/20 5:42:30 PM
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bernie most likely. yang, i seriously doubt. yang was basically the democrat version of 2008 ron paul

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MMA-SAN
11/04/20 6:07:54 PM
#85:


ultimate reaver posted...
bernie most likely. yang, i seriously doubt. yang was basically the democrat version of 2008 ron paul

Who did you vote for?
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ultimate reaver
11/04/20 6:21:07 PM
#86:


MMA-SAN posted...
Who did you vote for?

bideo kojima

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AloneIBreak
11/04/20 6:33:43 PM
#87:


MMA-SAN posted...
Half of Yang's supporters are republicans who are currently voting for Trump. The other half were dems, and only 25% are voting for Biden. The other are refusing to vote.

If the dems truly have a "any blue will do" mentality, then all of Biden's current voters would vote for Yang...as well as the 75% of his supporters who are currently NOT voting for Biden. You start offering poor people in middle america a free 48k - they gonna vote.
Sorry, we just call people racist here.

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MMA-SAN
11/04/20 6:34:32 PM
#88:


ultimate reaver posted...
bideo kojima

If I were to give you 48 thousand dollars on cash would you change your vote to Trump?
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Cornhuskers
11/04/20 6:35:00 PM
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AOC in 2054?
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Know someone who might vote for Biden but unsure?
Show them this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9NJa1b2hFo
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ultimate reaver
11/04/20 7:11:51 PM
#90:


MMA-SAN posted...
If I were to give you 48 thousand dollars on cash would you change your vote to Trump?

no, any monetary gain made by voting for conservatives would not equate with what i would lose as labor laws become further pitted against me and social safety nets continue to get sliced away

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JBaLLEN66
11/04/20 7:28:52 PM
#91:


This topic is proof some people never leave their echochamber comrade leftist sub reddit and have Amazon prime and Uber eats delivered to avoid going outside

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1337toothbrush
11/04/20 7:53:46 PM
#92:


JBaLLEN66 posted...
This topic is proof some people never leave their echochamber comrade leftist sub reddit and have Amazon prime and Uber eats delivered to avoid going outside
You voted for Trump. Shut the fuck up.

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