Current Events > Is the UBI really impossible? Like even just to keep people inside for a bit?

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Im not an economist or the president but was it really impossible for the Gov to setup a temporary UBI for everybody, shut everything down but grocery stores and wait it out? Would have been cool.

I think Trump really really shot himself in the foot with his COVID response

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with republicans existing yes

I'm not convinced it would work indefinitely but I see no reason that we shouldn't be able to pass it on a temporary basis and give money to people and not corporations

DarthAragorn posted...

with republicans existing yes

Such a shitty world we live in we could all be getting free checks and chilling


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Damn relublican'ts ruinin everthang

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What would be the point of UBI if everything was shut down? Like cool I have free money but where am I going to spend it?

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I am afraid it is.

You see, us common folk need to get back out and stimulate the economy and risk our lives. Our billionaire lords who graciously have let us live in our respective countries need a third holiday home, so time to do our duty! The massive stimulus packages got lost in the post you see, so the companies would be very thankful if we did it with no pay.

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Politics posted...

What would be the point of UBI if everything was shut down? Like cool I have free money but where am I going to spend it?

Steam sales

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Politics posted...

What would be the point of UBI if everything was shut down? Like cool I have free money but where am I going to spend it?

Food, utilities, rent, etc. is the idea I think

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UBI is absolitely possible, in fact its always a boon wherever its implemented in other countries iirc. And it shouldnt be temporary. It should be permanent

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Funkydog posted...

I am afraid it is.

You see, us common folk need to get back out and stimulate the economy and risk our lives. Our billionaire lords who graciously have let us live in our respective countries need a third holiday home, so time to do our duty! The massive stimulus packages got lost in the post you see, so the companies would be very thankful if we did it with no pay.

PRAISE JEFF BEZOS

may his divine bald head shine fortune upon us all

HAIL!!!

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The inherent flaw becomes quite obvious when the numbers are scaled absurdly low:
Two people deciding they each deserve $1000 a month, means they have have to come up with $2000 between them each month somehow.

UBI is very manageable. We put similar amounts of money in "trickle-down" theories and these consistently do not stimulate the economy. But what is "crazy" is that when you give poor people who are living paycheck to paycheck money these people spend it almost immediately.

Andrew Yang's campaign had a complete breakdown of how you could pay for 1k/mo UBI, and that was without cutting all the money we waste on useless trickle down programs.

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GOP doesn't believe in trickle up economics. They believe in trickle down. Sad thing is if they had just adopted UBI Trump would win over Biden easily. He can just say I gave you free money and this Biden race wouldn't be close.

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TeaMilk posted...

Food, utilities, rent, etc. is the idea I think

But he said close the grocery stores down, that's where most people buy food usually >_>


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Politics posted...

But he said close the grocery stores down, that's where most people buy food usually >_>

Read it again.

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Politics posted...

But he said close the grocery stores down, that's where most people buy food usually >_>

Dude...

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I think the problem with ubi is that a small percentage of people still actually have to work in order for it to function, and things still go bad so work almost always need to be done, like maintenance and clean up. The idea behind ubi is to reduce the pressure of living, but at the end of the day all the things in our world that make up a person's daily life is necessary to reduce the pressures of living. You can't just give everyone $1000 a month to cover everything and then no one shows up to work cuz they've got an extra $1000+/month to spend on drugs, restaurants, designer clothes etc.... Who's going to choose going to work over messing around is my point? It's like you were a student and your teachers gave you the option between reading textbooks or talking amongst one another, and at the end of the day you'd all pass the class with a C.

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lincoln002 posted...

You can't just give everyone $1000 a month to cover everything and then no one shows up to work cuz they've got an extra $1000+/month

???

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lincoln002 posted...

I think the problem with ubi is that a small percentage of people still actually have to work in order for it to function, and things still go bad so work almost always need to be done, like maintenance and clean up. The idea behind ubi is to reduce the pressure of living, but at the end of the day all the things in our world that make up a person's daily life is necessary to reduce the pressures of living. You can't just give everyone $1000 a month to cover everything and then no one shows up to work cuz they've got an extra $1000+/month to spend on drugs, restaurants, designer clothes etc.... Who's going to choose going to work over messing around is my point? It's like you were a student and your teachers gave you the option between reading textbooks or talking amongst one another, and at the end of the day you'd all pass the class with a C.

1,000 alone isnt enough to get people to stay home that after rent/bills/car you only got $200 but still gotta get groceries it would cover your basics but youd still need money to buy stuff.

We would have less unhappy workers spitting on your big macs for sure.

But Im talking about a temporary UBI until the pandemic ends. I just wonder why its so out of bounds. It just feels line businesses and money are valued higher than humans


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Society would collapse pretty quickly with so few working to maintain it. And with so little tax revenue being generated bankruptcy wouldnt be far behind.

Plus I'm not interested in sacrificing myself so others can kickback and watch Netflix all day. So either get your ass out there and work, or embrace eviction and dont complain when the time comes.

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Wealth redistribution exists entirely by the grace of those redistributed from. Nobody ever wants to admit that, or is too naive to realize it.

How long do you think the current food stocks in stores would last bwfore needing to be grown, treated, and prepared, all of which taking maintence, administration, and more. There's a lot of work between the farm and your plate.

On what planet do you think people would let such a thing be temporary. Too many hate work on principle and would just cry about oppression if asked to return to havong to earn a living again.

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lightwarrior78 posted...

How long do you think the current food stocks in stores would last bwfore needing to be grown, treated, and prepared, all of which taking maintence, administration, and more. There's a lot of work between the farm and your plate.

The utopian idealism is that shitty work will pay more, because it has to compete with catassing money. Some jobs may get away with paying much less, under the assumption that the work is basically a hobby and your basic needs are met anyway.
Reality is incredibly unlikely to actually work out like that.

Questionmarktarius posted...

The utopian idealism is that shitty work will pay more, because it has to compete with catassing money. Some jobs may get away with paying much less, under the assumption that the work is basically a hobby and your basic needs are met anyway.
Reality is incredibly unlikely to actually work out like that.

Given how I have seen people act over the last several months, I don't think they realize how much isn't purely machine done even at this point where a lot is.

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UBI is 112% feasible but the problem is, it would only really exist to subsidize the poor wages that corporations pay their workers.

Passing UBI is an admission that the "free market" doesn't actually work in practice and requires a federally subsidized bailout to operate in its current state.

A much more effective method would be a form of universal basic assets. Assets are the only things that really have value.

https://www.iftf.org/uba/

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Prismsblade posted...

Society would collapse pretty quickly with so few working to maintain it. And with so little tax revenue being generated bankruptcy wouldnt be far behind.

Plus I'm not interested in sacrificing myself so others can kickback and watch Netflix all day. So either get your ass out there and work, or embrace eviction and dont complain when the time comes.

......bruh people already do kickback watching netflix all day off of unemployment why do you care what othersbare doing?


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