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Gafemage
10/29/20 9:34:09 AM
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https://twitter.com/chedetofficial/status/1321765587530338304

~4th & 7th Prime Minister of Malaysia Mahathir Mohamad

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refmon
10/29/20 9:34:50 AM
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Give them an inch and

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LightHawKnight
10/29/20 9:35:28 AM
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Sure lets all kill current different people for the shit people in the past did. That will work out wonders.

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Autocraticus
10/29/20 9:37:41 AM
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Send in Zoolander
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Unsugarized_Foo
10/29/20 9:38:17 AM
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The only people that don't have the right to kill anyone are the people who are dead, and they're dead because they were bad at killing the other person

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ClockworkHare
10/29/20 9:39:25 AM
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Killing present day people, or revenge in general, for crimes of dead offenders of the past would be a big NOPE from me...

Frankly, it would make you just as bad as those you committed the murders in the past, by performing the same atrocities to new victims and repeating the cycle of violence.

Warmongers get carried away with "eye for an eye".
It's really only justice when the original culprits are punished for their crime.
If they're dead, well....you missed your chance for genuine justification with clean hands. Boohoo.

Punishing other people who had no direct involvement in the crimes just makes you as filthy as the culprits you swore to hate. Might as well lie in bed together...

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CADE FOSTER
10/29/20 9:40:01 AM
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So this guy shit posts like trump good we arent the only country twitter really should have rules tho
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voldothegr8
10/29/20 9:40:11 AM
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Yikes
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creativerealms
10/29/20 9:40:23 AM
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This is one person saying these horrible things. He is wrong.

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Tyranthraxus
10/29/20 9:41:15 AM
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Ah yeah from Malaysia. Reza Aslan's "moderate and normal islam"

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creativerealms
10/29/20 9:44:00 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Ah yeah from Malaysia. Reza Aslan's "moderate and normal islam"
Well clearly the guy in question isn't a moderate. The moderates are the ones condemning the violence and calling for it to stop. They are the ones who stand in solidarity with victims of terrorist attacks. Yes they exist.

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Lairen
10/29/20 9:44:24 AM
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Yeah, people hold races responsible way later for what they as a whole did a long time ago. Human nature.

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Tyranthraxus
10/29/20 9:45:03 AM
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creativerealms posted...
Well clearly the guy in question isn't a moderate. The moderates are the ones condemning the violence and calling for it to stop. Yes they exist.

Sure moderate muslims are in Malaysia just clearly not a lot since they elected this guy as PM.

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DK9292
10/29/20 9:45:42 AM
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creativerealms posted...
The moderates are the ones condemning the violence and calling for it to stop. Yes they exist.
We all know they exist. They're just constantly and consistently drowned out by the extremists. That's what's always happened in all of history.

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uwnim
10/29/20 9:45:49 AM
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That is a good way to cause humanity to go extinct.

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LightHawKnight
10/29/20 9:45:57 AM
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Lairen posted...
Yeah, people hold races responsible way later for what they as a whole did a long time ago. Human nature.

Yeah humans are naturally very stupid, but we really should try to change that.

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creativerealms
10/29/20 9:46:45 AM
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DK9292 posted...
We all know they exist. They're just constantly and consistently drowned out by the extremists. That's what's always happened in all of history.
Because extremists are louder. That is always the case.

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Lairen
10/29/20 9:47:20 AM
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LightHawKnight posted...
Yeah humans are naturally very stupid, but we really should try to change that.

Like, everyones racist. We group together and talk about them as a hivemind. Everyone does this.

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DK9292
10/29/20 9:47:59 AM
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Lairen posted...
Like, everyones racist. We group together and talk about them as a hivemind. Everyone does this.
Doesn't make it right.

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LightHawKnight
10/29/20 9:50:31 AM
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Lairen posted...
Like, everyones racist. We group together and talk about them as a hivemind. Everyone does this.

Sure everyone is a little racist, but it doesn't hurt to try to not be and stop excusing such bull.

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Lairen
10/29/20 9:50:35 AM
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DK9292 posted...
Doesn't make it right.

I agree. But even when someone is wrong and racist the victim then goes to talk about the persons whole race as if they were all in on it together.

This happens frequently.

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The Trent
10/29/20 9:50:46 AM
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i look forward to the day where we all have to answer for things that we didn't do at all and probably even wouldn't have done, but our ancestors MAY have participated in
oh wait

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Tyranthraxus
10/29/20 9:50:56 AM
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Lairen posted...
Like, everyones racist. We group together and talk about them as a hivemind. Everyone does this.

Yeah, like, IDK, saying you have the right to kill millions of French people for their disrespect (and also that you're not doing it because the group you belong to doesn't enforce eye for an eye because they're better than the French)

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DK9292
10/29/20 9:52:37 AM
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Lairen posted...
I agree. But even when someone is wrong and racist the victim then goes to talk about the persons whole race as if they were all in on it together.

This happens frequently.
It's almost as if our extreme emotions cloud our judgement. It's not right, but it happens. It's what's called a vicious cycle. What's your point?

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Lairen
10/29/20 9:52:41 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Yeah, like, IDK, saying you have the right to kill millions of French people for their disrespect (and also that you're not doing it because the group you belong to doesn't enforce eye for an eye because they're better than the French)

But now most will talk about his group versus him as a person.

Hes not helping and probably claiming to speak for his group as well.

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Unsugarized_Foo
10/29/20 9:53:23 AM
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Captain_Qwark posted...
That seems Twitter ban worthy as inciting violence

If only he'd had a link to the NY Post about it

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Lairen
10/29/20 9:53:41 AM
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DK9292 posted...
It's almost as if our extreme emotions cloud our judgement. It's not right, but it happens. It's what's called a vicious cycle. What's your point?

Right, a cycle. This is a cycle. Nothing will stop the cycle.

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DK9292
10/29/20 9:55:18 AM
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Lairen posted...
Right, a cycle. This is a cycle. Nothing will stop the cycle.
The only thing that can stop that is everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) choosing to stop the cycle.

But that will never happen, because as said our emotions in such a situation won't let us. All we can do is try to mitigate the damage the cycle causes as much as possible, and try to prevent malicious people from abusing the cycle for their own ends.

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monkmith
10/29/20 9:57:19 AM
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https://old.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/pljey/how_did_the_middle_east_end_up_being_so_fucked_up/

france and britain played a huge part in destabilizing that area, and there's a lot of hate directed at them because of it.

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Tyranthraxus
10/29/20 9:58:51 AM
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Lairen posted...
But now most will talk about his group versus him as a person.

Hes not helping and probably claiming to speak for his group as well.

The dude's a PM, democratically chosen by a group of people to lead those people. No one ever claimed he speaks for all muslims. The issue is he's a symptom of increasing theocratic sentiments in Malaysia. The extremist malays aren't just shouting louder than the moderates. They are also growing in power and influence.

Then people like Reza Aslan lie about it and make excuses for it.

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Compsognathus
10/29/20 10:06:07 AM
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I see the concept of what he is saying. Essentially, that if these violent attacks are enough to warrant mistreatment of Muslims, then does France's violent history, warrant mistreatment of the French? To which he is implying it does not make sense in either case.

That said his overall Twitter thread is full of misogyny. Also there is a weird logic break where apparently Western countries shouldn't impose their values on other cultures, though France is obviously a Western country.

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Evening_Dragon
10/29/20 10:08:07 AM
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Lairen posted...
Right, a cycle. This is a cycle. Nothing will stop the cycle.

Things are still shit, but still far less shit than when open racism was normal.

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creativerealms
10/29/20 10:11:05 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
The dude's a PM, democratically chosen by a group of people to lead those people. No one ever claimed he speaks for all muslims. The issue is he's a symptom of increasing theocratic sentiments in Malaysia. The extremist malays aren't just shouting louder than the moderates. They are also growing in power and influence.

Then people like Reza Aslan lie about it and make excuses for it.

Why do you insist to turn this into an attack on Reza Aslan Makes no sense.

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Tyranthraxus
10/29/20 10:16:26 AM
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creativerealms posted...
Why do you insist to turn this into an attack on Reza Aslan Makes no sense.

Because Reza Aslan is wrong.

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iPhone_7
10/29/20 11:23:52 AM
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Since Reza is brought up, nobody should be listening to him.

He lies about his credentials. Is an apologist for the large number of female mutilations that go on in Muslim countries (He likes to say its a central African problem). And he tries to shut down any criticism or critique of those countries or Islam by claiming bigotry & racism, even if its by current or former Muslims who want reform.

https://youtu.be/E9RmAo6XVAA

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