Current Events > In 2005 the UN asked countries if Food was a Human Right

(+) Yeah! (+)

I'm not framing anything. I posted a link to something anybody would be aware of if they watched 30 minutes of the news back in March and April when parents were talking about the downsides of schools being shut down. Or ever lived in a low income area.

Giving a reminder about reality is not some conspiracy even if people want to act like the US having the third best food security index means *claps hands* problem is no more

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JE19426 posted...

So do you not know what famine means, or are you trolling? Nobody in this topic has claimed the US is in a famine.

I said no one on the US is starving and every idiot who is dead set on pretending like they live in the third world has felt the need to tell me how stupid that is without really saying anything of substance to counter it.

Yea, I do know what famine and starvation mean. Apparently a lot of people here don't though.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

without really saying anything of substance to counter it.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/08/908442609/children-are-going-hungry-why-schools-are-struggling-to-feed-students

also if you missed it

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/08/908442609/children-are-going-hungry-why-schools-are-struggling-to-feed-students

Also before it happens because I figure it's gonna happen with arguments getting mixed up, I am not saying the US is not doing anything about it and is some third world hellhole. The argument is that starvation in the US is a thing

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We're not at Hunger Games level yet

what the fuck is happening in this topic

treewojima posted...

what the fuck is happening in this topic

Solid Snake07 being an idiot

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Yea, I do know what famine and starvation mean.

So why do you keep acting like people are saying the US is in a famine when nobody said that?

back on topic, the idea that food isn't a human right is preposterous, and only a nation with leaders as fat, happy and arrogant as the US would say as such

MacadamianNut3 posted...

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/08/908442609/children-are-going-hungry-why-schools-are-struggling-to-feed-students

also if you missed it

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/08/908442609/children-are-going-hungry-why-schools-are-struggling-to-feed-students

Yeah, we're in the middle of a once in a lifetime level pandemic and still trying to make things work. Things like funding food banks and SNAP have all been expanded.

Even with covid there is no severe starvation issues in the US

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treewojima posted...

back on topic, the idea that food isn't a human right is preposterous, and only a nation with leaders as fat, happy and arrogant as the US would say as such

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

"Food? What does food have to do with human rights!?!?!?"

JE19426 posted...

So why do you keep acting like people are saying the US is in a famine when nobody said that?

I said no one in this country is starving, people seem to think that's delusionally off base. So I'm left to assume they must think people are

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I lived in Seattle for 7 years. Very progressive city and has food banks and all of that. I still saw people eating out of the garbage. Now I am not saying there aren't resources out there or they don't have other problems or anything. I am simply saying that even in a supposedly super progressive city in the US I saw people eating out of the garbage regularly. If you think no one in the US is struggling with food, you are delusional. Again maybe there are places that help, and maybe their choices contributed to the situation but that doesn't mean there aren't people struggling with food.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

I said no one in this country is starving, people seem to think that's delusionally off base. So I'm left to assume they must think people are

Yes, I understand why you think people in the topic think the US has starvation, I'm not asking about that. I'm asking why you bring up famine in the US as if other people think the US is in a famine.

ssjevot posted...

I lived in Seattle for 7 years. Very progressive city and has food banks and all of that. I still saw people eating out of the garbage. Now I am not saying there aren't resources out there or they don't have other problems or anything. I am simply saying that even in a supposedly super progressive city in the US I saw people eating out of the garbage regularly. If you think no one in the US is struggling with food, you are delusional. Again maybe there are places that help, and maybe their choices contributed to the situation but that doesn't mean there aren't people struggling with food.

Youre conflating "no one is starving" with "there is no poverty"

There are programs to keep the homeless fed, unfortunately a lot of the homeless population is also mentally ill and don't know how to seek that help out

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JE19426 posted...

Yes, I understand why you think people in the topic think the US has starvation, I'm not asking about that. I'm asking why you bring up famine in the US as if other people think the US is in a famine.

"I understand why you think people in this topic think the US has starvation, I'm not asking about that. I'm asking why are you illustrating how stupid of a notion that is?"

You're not making a whole lot of sense guy

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Even with covid there is no severe starvation issues in the US

I don't understand how you could read the words in that article and then reach that conclusion. Along those lines

https://www.feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/facts

Before:
Before the coronavirus pandemic, more than 35 million people struggled with hunger in the United States, including more than 10 million children.

After:
The coronavirus pandemic has left millions of families without stable employment. More than 54 million people, including 18 million children, may experience food insecurity in 2020.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/foodfeatures/hunger/ (includes the mysterious "food security" term that apparently only Broseph_Stalin knows about in his opinion)

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/02/magazine/food-security-united-states.html (also talks about before the pandemic)

https://www.annualreviews.org/doi/pdf/10.1146/annurev.pu.09.050188.002443

Last link is a random pdf I found which probably highlights the disconnect in this topic where you're adamant that nobody is starving yet it is still clearly a problem. It's from 1988 but the relevant parts are

Available evidence suggests that some 20 million American citizens suffer from hunger (39, 50). By sheer numbers, as well as health risks posed, hunger is a problem of staggering proportions. Its existence is all the more disturbing since hunger was virtually eliminated in the United States during the 1970s.

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There is no single universally agreed upon definition of hunger. The term may be applied to chronic or episodic lack of nutritients needed for physical growth and maintenance of health. If this lack is severe and extends over some period, it can lead to malnutrition, involving measurable growth failure in young children. Among adults and the elderly, it is frequently associated with chronic disease conditions. Across all ages, malnutrition can lower resistance to infectious disease. In its most severe form, of course, malnutri tion leads to starvation and death.

Most hungry Americans receive enough calories to prevent overt emacia tion. For this reason hunger in America presents itself quite differently from that in the Third World. Protein-calorie malnutrition, marasmus, which is evident in the pictures of Ethiopian children, and kwashiorkor, characterized by extreme protein deficiency even when calories are adequate, do occur in America but rarely (38).

Hunger in the US tends rather to take the form the World Health Organiza tion terms "silent undernutrition" (82). It is reflected in the young child whose weight is several pounds below the low end of the normal range on a growth chart. The layperson may miss her condition, or simply see her as a skinny child, but the trained professional will recognize that her size reflects growth failure. Her deficit indicates that the hunger she experiences, though less dramatic than Third World hunger, is significant from a health perspective.

Being a stickler for technical terms doesn't really help. Check out pretty much any source on that matter and you will see that the words "starvation", "hunger", and "malnutrition" have a pretty tangled and not entirely consistent relationship

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Solid Snake07 posted...

You're not making a whole lot of sense guy

Pretty funny coming from the guy who can't explain why he's acting as if other people brought up famine first.

If having to eat of a dumpster doesn't count then what does? Do you literally need to be dying? Because I imagine eating out of a dumpster is the step before that. Can we at least agree some people in the US are malnourished and their hunger is causing them to seek out things like eating out of a dumpster? Can we agree that it isn't an ideal situation to have people eating out of dumpsters?

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ssjevot posted...

I lived in Seattle for 7 years. Very progressive city and has food banks and all of that. I still saw people eating out of the garbage. Now I am not saying there aren't resources out there or they don't have other problems or anything. I am simply saying that even in a supposedly super progressive city in the US I saw people eating out of the garbage regularly. If you think no one in the US is struggling with food, you are delusional. Again maybe there are places that help, and maybe their choices contributed to the situation but that doesn't mean there aren't people struggling with food.

https://www.quora.com/Why-dont-homeless-people-visit-food-banks-instead-of-begging-for-spare-change

That is likely because food banks don't seem to be what feeds the homeless but rather low income people.

For homeless they would need to go to a shelter and there are reasons a homeless person would avoid going to the shelter.

Tho I am no expert in homelessness

I was friends with a homeless guy in Seattle. He was younger, about my age at the time. He was also super into fighting games and I used to take him to tournaments and get him food after (but he was too proud to take money). He avoided the shelters there because all he had was his laptop and he was using it to do online work from Starbucks to try to get to the point he could get an apartment and then get a real job. People get robbed, attacked, etc. in shelters all the time. He had his sneakers stolen before, and losing his laptop meant losing his livelihood. The guy has an apartment and works for the sanitation department now, but people who think being homeless in Seattle would be some kind of cakewalk are out of their minds. He didn't have a drug problem or drink. He did have ADHD though.

I realize for some people it is easier to pretend a problem doesn't exist than try to deal with it, but these people are definitely out there and they have real struggles. If anything I feel like my new home in Japan is extremely privileged in comparison due to the lack of violence, more affordable healthcare and homeless rates at or near the bottom of the entire world. And there are still problems here, so I can't imagine pretending the US has somehow solved everything with how blatant the issues are there.

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Let's just call it what it is. All the commies just reactively clutched their pearls cause I immediately rained on their shit on big bad daddy american capitalism circle jerk

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Let's just call it what it is. All the commies just reactively clutched their pearls cause I immediately rained on their shit on big bad daddy american capitalism circle jerk

Yeah, no one thinks you're illiterate. /s

Solid Snake07 posted...

All the commies

Imagine having such a hard time saying "whoops my bad I was wrong in an internet discussion we're good" that you go all Red Scare. Also called it back in post 53 >:D

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Fellow comrades, we are exposed!

Solid Snake07 posted...

No one is starving to death in the United states, gtfo of here with that bullshit

This certainly explains the rest of your posts.

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Snake has moved the goalposts so far ITT that a full game of soccer would take twenty thousand years.

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DrizztLink posted...

Snake has moved the goalposts so far ITT that a full game of soccer would take twenty thousand years.

"Theres's nobody starving in america lmao commie"

*10 posts later*

"America can have a little bit of starvation, as a treat"

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You can tell solid snake is one of those people who think Romney would have been a great president

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Hard to tell if solid snake or broseph is worse. Imo they are the two worst on this board.

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Someone better tell Feeding America that no one is hungry. Won't they feel foolish?

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This guy really doesn't know what a famine is lmao

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It also comes down to personal responsibility. Don't breed what you can't feed. Some states in the country would also benefit from this.
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ssjevot posted...

If having to eat of a dumpster doesn't count then what does?

No you see, that's not a food insecurity issue, that's a mental health issue. Issues can't be complex and multi-faceted, they're black and white. America's inability to take care of people with mental health issues is certainly not one of the aspects that leads to a portion of the food insecurity problem.

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so the same country who treats health as a business thinks food isnt a human right...

shocker of the century!

I feel like people are over simplifying this and ignoring meaning of words.

In the US something being a human right means more than it being important, it means that no matter what everyone should always have it under all circumstances and government has failed If they do not.

In the US that means things like speech and thought, practice religion, the right to pursue happiness and not be held captive

With actual physical goods, declaring them a human right means a lot of fundamental changes to our entire system of government, industry and economy.

See:
Solid Snake07 posted...

The US has some of the largest if not the largest food assistance programs on earth. You guys are talking straight up nonsense no matter how you try to frame it

The US is fighting harder than near any other nation to fight starvation .

Of all the things to attack the US with "They want people to STARVE because they wont declare physical goods as a human right" is pretty pathetic

I'd argue any pro life anti abortion argument is more egregious than that

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UnfairRepresent posted...

everyone should always have it under all circumstances and government has failed If they do not.

That's definitely not what it means. There are no positive rights in the US constitution, only negative. If you had a right to food in the US constitution it would simply mean the government cannot deprive you of food. Just like the 2nd amendment doesn't require the government to provide you with arms or prevent places from banning firearms on their premises.

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"Nobody in the US is starving"

"Um, that's clearly wrong?"

"Are you really dumb enough to think the US is in full on famine, commie?"
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@EvilMegas

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Is anyone surprised? You shouldn't be.

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Sure is McCarthy in here.

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Well I mean, nothing's stopping you from growing your own food

coh posted...

Well I mean, nothing's stopping you from growing your own food

Youre not this dumb.

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I have personally assisted people who had no food, who were eating cat food. I think people very greatly over estimate the availability and generosity of social assistance in this country, especially in places like Texas. There are likely thousands of people on social security or disability that have insufficient food. There's many people curled up in a ball due to hunger pains as we speak.

Rather than simply asserting that hunger doesn't exist here because of nebulous "programs" or asserting that children that already exist shouldn't have been born, maybe y'all should help create a country where no one is hungry for any reason?

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legendary_zell posted...

I have personally assisted people who had no food, who were eating cat food. I think people very greatly over estimate the availability and generosity of social assistance in this country, especially in places like Texas. There are likely thousands of people on social security or disability that have insufficient food. There's many people curled up in a ball due to hunger pains as we speak.

Rather than simply asserting that hunger doesn't exist here because of nebulous "programs" or asserting that children that already exist shouldn't have been born, maybe y'all should help create a country where no one is hungry for any reason?

The wannabe Rs in this topic have no empathy for the poor.

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legendary_zell posted...

I have personally assisted people who had no food, who were eating cat food. I think people very greatly over estimate the availability and generosity of social assistance in this country, especially in places like Texas. There are likely thousands of people on social security or disability that have insufficient food. There's many people curled up in a ball due to hunger pains as we speak.

Rather than simply asserting that hunger doesn't exist here because of nebulous "programs" or asserting that children that already exist shouldn't have been born, maybe y'all should help create a country where no one is hungry for any reason?

Unsustainable population growth is a problem and will lead to wars. I'd rather people be educated than be baby factories. I remember when africa was starving in thw 80s.

We fed them and their populations have now shot up exponentially. But for most of them their situation hasn't improved. Kinda sad really.
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Fazeo13 posted...

Unsustainable population growth is a problem and will lead to wars. I'd rather people be educated than be baby factories. I remember when africa was starving in thw 80s.

We fed them and their populations have now shot up exponentially. But for most of them their situation hasn't improved. Kinda sad really.

This is a post, huh? It's like you ripped it directly out of a poorly constructed villain's rant, racism "veiled" in an appeal to scientism.

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Hahaha this was quite the topic to wake up to.

legendary_zell posted...

Rather than simply asserting that hunger doesn't exist here because of nebulous "programs"

Yeah, I spent some time homeless. I was able to get one run of food stamps and then denied them again and again after that. I got food mostly from churches and other homeless people but I was frequently going days without any.

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xMythic posted...

Tens of millions of U.S. citizens are starving on a regular basis, and most of them are children. They may not be literally starving to death, but food insecurity is still a huge issue in this country.

Likely becuase of shitty parents who had no business having them in the first place. And even then we have CPS for for that crap for the truly crappy, food stamps, food banks, school etc.

There is real starvation AND death out there but just the former has your jimmies rustled and ready to call the US and capitalism a failure? Gtfo.

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Lol its their parents fault theyre starving so it doesnt count

?????????????

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ssjevot posted...

That's definitely not what it means. There are no positive rights in the US constitution, only negative. If you had a right to food in the US constitution it would simply mean the government cannot deprive you of food. Just like the 2nd amendment doesn't require the government to provide you with arms or prevent places from banning firearms on their premises.

If they cannot deprive you of food then that means it is technically a right already. Even if you are jailed you get food.

It not being a right would be in a country were you cannot buy food freely and have to give a coupon for a breadline. In this model you can be deprived by the line running out, coupon refused, not getting coupon, and other thing.

You might see the dollar like a coupon but it is quite different. Since anyone can have as many as they want, they can have more food and give it to whoever. Plus getting a dollar is easier than getting a once per day government issued coupon.

I just realize jail can fit coupon line scenario but that is complex since it is other inmates and not the government doing it.