Current Events > I keep up with politics, and I'm not voting.

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If I vote Trump, the left hates me. If I vote Biden, the right hates me. At this point, I would rather be hated by both sides.

That's a dumb take

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JimmyFraska posted...

both sides

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why are centrists so worried about what people think about them

literal fascism is better than someone hurting my feefees I guess

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You shouldn't care which crybabies will cry about it, vote for the one you want

Or do like me and write in to vote for "long wet sharp fart"

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metralo posted...

why are centrists so worried about what people think about them

I literally said I would rather be hated by both sides. If I cared about feelings, wouldn't I just choose one or the other so I could at least get some positive feelings?

metralo posted...

literal fascism is better than someone hurting my feefees I guess

So you're saying you'd rather I at least vote Trump

Smackems posted...

You shouldn't care which crybabies will cry about it, vote for the one you want

I am opting for hate from both sides. It doesn't make sense, you would think they rather I not vote then vote for their enemy. But no, because I am not helping them, they hate me. So if there's nothing I can do about it, I will take that from both sides.

very brave

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As a potential non-voter, this is a really bad take.

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hockeybub89 posted...

As a potential non-voter, this is a really bad take.

You'll need to explain. It seems to be the best option when faced with two unreasonable groups of people.

So this is a masochism thing

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Smackems posted...

So this is a masochism thing

It didn't start that way. I hate the United States government as is, so I just don't want to participate. But, it will end up that way because of the hate I will get from both sides.

Not sure how youre even eligible to vote seeing as youre 14 years old.

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HotLap posted...

Not sure how youre even eligible to vote seeing as youre 14 years old.

The topic title was "I keep up with politics and I'm not voting", not "I'm eligible to vote and I'm not voting."

TC on a shitposting streak, never seen them before either.

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K well let the hate fuel your ambition for.. Conquest?

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Far left wingers hate everyone, including themselves.

Just vote Biden so we can move away from Trumpism.

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JimmyFraska posted...

You'll need to explain. It seems to be the best option when faced with two unreasonable groups of people.

If it seems like everybody except yourself is unreasonable, maybe you need to take a step back and do some reflection.

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HotLap posted...

Not sure how youre even eligible to vote seeing as youre 14 years old.

So he made his acct when he was 4?

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IronChef_Kirby posted...

If it seems like everybody except yourself is unreasonable, maybe you need to take a step back and do some reflection.

I said two groups. Not everyone falls in those two groups.

E n l i g h t e n e d C e n t r i s t

My state votes blue no matter who, so my vote truly doesn't matter.

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JimmyFraska posted...

You'll need to explain. It seems to be the best option when faced with two unreasonable groups of people.

Ah yes, as we all know fascism is good actually and fascism is bad and human rights are good are equally unreasonable positions.

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Phynaster posted...

Ah yes, as we all know fascism is good actually and fascism is bad and human rights are good are equally unreasonable positions.

I see both groups saying the latter, and accusing the other of saying the former. So now I face the choice of, are they both good, both bad, or one is good and one is bad. I'm gonna play it safe and say they're both bad.

JimmyFraska posted...

I see both groups saying the latter, and accusing the other of saying the former. So now I face the choice of, are they both good, both bad, or one is good and one is bad. I'm gonna play it safe and say they're both bad.

I really cant tell if this is trolling or not.

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Phynaster posted...

I really cant tell if this is trolling or not.

I don't see Trump or Biden supporters saying they support fascists. Now you could search up, and find the most extreme example of some right wing asshole saying they want to kill liberals. But then a right winger will show up in the topic and find the most extreme example of a left wing asshole saying the want to kill conservatives.

Are either of those people right, just because they both found one example of that extremism (and there are those examples on both sides)? They might be, they might not be, but I don't want to associate with either of them.

Except rightwingers have actually killed people, are making a concerted effort to rig an election, and have gleefully bucked democratic norms to increase their chances of staying in power. People who actually study these things have a lot to say on the subject. At this point it just seems like you dont pay any attention to the news

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JimmyFraska posted...

I don't see Trump or Biden supporters saying they support fascists. Now you could search up, and find the most extreme example of some right wing asshole saying they want to kill liberals. But then a right winger will show up in the topic and find the most extreme example of a left wing asshole saying the want to kill conservatives.

Are either of those people right, just because they both found one example of that extremism (and there are those examples on both sides)? They might be, they might not be, but I don't want to associate with either of them.

Trump is a fascist and BIden is not. Still too hard for you make to a choice?

DarthVader95 posted...

Trump is a fascist and BIden is not. Still too hard for you make to a choice?

Other poster on CE said Biden is fascist and Trump is not. Who do I believe, you or the other user

See, this is what I have realized about this issue.

I used to be one of those people who said something along the lines of "well, if the left is mean to me then I'll just move to the right". This all starts with left wingers being the only ones who care about the "enlightened centrist" and "centrists are really right wingers" thing.

But then I realized that was being stupid. Ideally you should always vote based on your beliefs, not based on what random people have said and done. Unfortunately with the first past the post voting system, you also have to consider whether you're wasting your vote by voting for a third party candidate who has no chance of winning and may hurt the Dem/Rep candidate you agree with more.

But that being said, nothing is more of a waste than not voting at all. Individually it may not be big deal that you're not voting, but when you add everyone who thinks like you do suddenly only a slight majority of eligible voters are voting for the presidential election (which is the most popular election). At that point the group of non-voters becomes important in all elections, in a bad way.

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JimmyFraska posted...

It didn't start that way. I hate the United States government as is, so I just don't want to participate. But, it will end up that way because of the hate I will get from both sides.

Shocking twist: If you don't vote, we will still have a President.

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Damn_Underscore posted...

See, this is what I have realized about this issue.

I used to be one of those people who said something along the lines of "well, if the left is mean to me then I'll just move to the right". This all starts with left wingers being the only ones who care about the "enlightened centrist" and "centrists are really right wingers" thing.

But then I realized that was being stupid. Ideally you should always vote based on your beliefs, not based on what random people have said and done. Unfortunately with the first past the post voting system, you also have to consider whether you're wasting your vote by voting for a third party candidate who has no chance of winning and may hurt the Dem/Rep candidate you agree with more.

But that being said, nothing is more of a waste than not voting at all. Individually it may not be big deal that you're not voting, but when you add everyone who thinks like you do suddenly only a slight majority of eligible voters are voting for the presidential election (which is the most popular election). At that point the group of non-voters becomes important in all elections, in a bad way.

Thank you for this reasonable reply. But I don't agree. Not voting is a right. If we had to vote, it wouldn't be a choice, and thus wouldn't be a right. It would be something we'd be forced to do. That isn't how it works luckily. Voting is a right that we can choose. Having a firearm is a right. Not all choose to take advantage of that, I don't blame them.

If I don't agree with system entirely, nor any of the candidates in it, what should I do?

bluezero posted...

Shocking twist: If you don't vote, we will still have a President.

Who's fault is that, me who doesn't participate, or the people who voted them in? Or is it like, 80% them and 20% me? How does it break down? How much blame should I be receiving for this position?

And I should say also, a few in the topic have made fun of me calling me a centrist. I'm not, as I don't consider myself in any kind of "reasonable middle" between the two sides. Or I should say, I don't believe being equally in the middle of them is reasonable. If there's a political spectrum, I'm off kilter somewhere else on it.

JimmyFraska posted...

Thank you for this reasonable reply.

If I don't agree with system entirely, nor any of the candidates in it, what should I do?

The bolded is your answer. Who do you agree with more? Specifically, do you agree with Biden or Trump more? That is who you should vote for. It doesn't matter if you don't agree with the person entirely. Voting is anonymous for a reason. Your soul is not marked after you vote and no one can do anything to you for voting.

Keep in mind also that when you voting for the President, you aren't just voting for Joe Biden or Donald Trump. You are basically voting for a Democratic Executive Branch vs. a Republican Executive Branch. Who would you rather have as the face of the country (and as the one guiding the direction of the country, frankly)?

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JimmyFraska posted...

Other poster on CE said Biden is fascist and Trump is not. Who do I believe, you or the other user

In what way is Biden a fascist?

Voting is like tipping. The only right way to do it is to not do it at all.

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JimmyFraska posted...

Other poster on CE said Biden is fascist and Trump is not. Who do I believe, you or the other user

You can do research, it'll probably won't take too long to realize that what I'm saying is a fact.

But, if you don't vote, that's just a vote for the candidate I don't like!!

...or something like that, i dunno.

I defend your choice to not vote, but this is a really dumb justification for choosing not to

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Zikten posted...

In what way is Biden a fascist?

@Zikten Ask the people saying it. That's not a claim I've made personally.

Damn_Underscore posted...

The bolded is your answer. Who do you agree with more? Specifically, do you agree with Biden or Trump more? That is who you should vote for. It doesn't matter if you don't agree with the person entirely. Voting is anonymous for a reason. Your soul is not marked after you vote and no one can do anything to you for voting.

Keep in mind also that when you voting for the President, you aren't just voting for Joe Biden or Donald Trump. You are basically voting for a Democratic Executive Branch vs. a Republican Executive Branch. Who would you rather have as the face of the country (and as the one guiding the direction of the country, frankly)?

I would rather take advantage of my right to not vote, since that position seems to be the most hated. I don't want that right to go away.

If you wanna not vote thats your deal, but rationalizing like this is really dumb

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You could always just vote and not talk about who you voted for?

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HydraSlayer82 posted...

You could always just vote and not talk about who you voted for?

people like TC need the attention tho

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DarthVader95 posted...

You can do research, it'll probably won't take too long to realize that what I'm saying is a fact.

@DarthVader95 And yet you are here not pointing out those facts. But even if you did, a well read Republican could come in and point out a long list of things that in his opinion make Biden and the Democrats look like fascists.

The bottom line is this: This country is a joke. This system is a joke. It's a comedian on a stage who isn't funny, no one is laughing at the joke, yet everyone keeps coming and paying for him to stay on stage. I want to stop paying.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I defend your choice to not vote, but this is a really dumb justification for choosing not to

@RchHomieQuanChi If there's a better rationalization, I'd love to hear it. If you don't have one, why is it a right you defend? Why shouldn't I be forced to vote?

If you defend it, it makes me think you do believe there are situations where not voting is not a bad thing. What are those situations?

HydraSlayer82 posted...

You could always just vote and not talk about who you voted for?

There's a lot of options. Voting Trump and talking about it, voting Biden and talking about it. Voting one of them, and not talking about it, what you suggest. Not voting, and not talking about it. Or, not voting, and talking about it. I've chosen the latter. I don't see myself any worse than anyone else on this board posting political topics, as they have all chosen one of these options.

Biden is not a fascist in any way. you are acting like there is a chance he is. You either aren't actually keeping up on politics as much as you claim you are, or you only watch right wing media. You can't entertain the idea that Biden is just as bad as Trump and still act like you are "keeping up on politics". Because if you were you would know anyone who says Biden is a fascist is talking out of their ass

Zikten posted...

Biden is not a fascist in any way. you are acting like there is a chance he is. You either aren't actually keeping up on politics as much as you claim you are, or you only watch right wing media. You can't entertain the idea that Biden is just as bad as Trump and still act like you are "keeping up on politics". Because if you were you would know anyone who says Biden is a fascist is talking out of their ass

I think the United States has had fascists in power for 244 years.

JimmyFraska posted...

@RchHomieQuanChi If there's a better rationalization, I'd love to hear it.

If you don't feel comfortable voting for either party's candidate for personal reasons, then that's fine.

But not voting because you're scared of how the other side will react is dumb.

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JimmyFraska posted...

I would rather take advantage of my right to not vote, since that position seems to be the most hated. I don't want that right to go away.

Well I doubt there is ever going to be a law requiring everyone to vote in America.

Of course you have the right not to vote, but what is the benefit of that? If everyone voted, the direction of the country would be more in line with how everyone (as a whole) wants it to go. Now maybe half of eligible voters are deciding the direction of the US, how can that be a good thing? Take it to the extremes, what if everyone voted vs. what if only one person voted. It's pretty obvious which scenario would be better.

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Biden would be the perfect candidate if he wasn't so bent on pushing ineffective, sweeping gun control.

Believe it or not there's a sizable number of pro-gun Democrats that don't like the idea of surrendering their firearms, or making it so difficult for a citizen to arm themselves. Especially when suicides by firearm make up almost two-thirds of all gun deaths in the US.

Hell, just look at this current presidency. People are talking about literal fascism in the party, then without a shred of self awareness want to vote in someone looking for actual disarmament.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

If you don't feel comfortable voting for either party's candidate for personal reasons, then that's fine.

But not voting because you're scared of how the other side will react is dumb.

If I was scared, I'd choose one of the sides, as at least I'd have a safe home base where I could try to avoid the other side. Or I'd try to vote 3rd party, hoping that would appease both sides (it won't, but someone scared would do that)

With what I'm choosing, I will not be on either side's good graces. Therefore potentially causing more backlash, but it makes me more comfortable with myself, that I didn't choose left or right out of fear.

Malcrasternus posted...

Biden would be the perfect candidate if he wasn't so bent on pushing ineffective, sweeping gun control.

Believe it or not there's a sizable number of pro-gun Democrats that don't like the idea of surrendering their firearms, or making it so difficult for a citizen to arm themselves. Especially when suicides by firearm make up almost two-thirds of all gun deaths in the US.

Hell, just look at this current presidency. People are talking about literal fascism in the party, then without a shred of self awareness want to vote in someone looking for actual disarmament.

Thankfully there's the 2nd Amendment and a whole bunch of Republicans (and probably conservative Democrats as well) that won't let actual forced disarmament get anywhere.

I don't think it makes sense to not vote for Biden because of this one issue when you agree with him on many other issues, especially if you think he would be the perfect candidate besides this one issue.

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