Current Events > The bootstraps mentality simultaneously coexisting with the tipping mentality

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has always been weird

anything remotely socialistic like health care/higher education screams bloody murder, but then tipping is a huge part of the culture?
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Lmao if you think those fat old fucks in washington tip anyone.

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Bootstrapping does work. It is all about the drive of the individual if they really want to do better or not.

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saspa posted...

has always been weird

anything remotely socialistic like health care/higher education screams bloody murder, but then tipping is a huge part of the culture?

tipping culture is literally "I will give you extra money if you work hard, and less if you under-perform". It's like the exact opposite of anything socialistic.

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That's not tipping culture, that's just tipping?
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Monolith1676 posted...

Bootstrapping does work. It is all about the drive of the individual if they really want to do better or not.

pulling yourself up by your bootstraps was originally a euphemism for being stupid and trying to do the impossible...

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...What?

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Bribery is cool with the rich. For them it's not even a penny.

Dance, servant, dance.
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Monolith1676 posted...

Bootstrapping does work. It is all about the drive of the individual if they really want to do better or not.

This is a strange shitpost.

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.....How is someone doing a job for compensation socialism exacly?

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Notti posted...

Bribery is cool with the rich. For them it's not even a penny.

Dance, servant, dance.

Attitude of a self fulfilling destiny of failure

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Both things are about rich people saving money, imo.

Bootstraps mentality encourages people to value financial independence meaning they're less likely to support welfare programs and wealthy people have to pay less taxes.
Tipping means you don't have to pay as employees much because your customers pay them.

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PMarth2002 posted...

Tipping means you don't have to pay as employees much because your customers pay them.

Customers always pay employees, tipping just cuts out the middle man and avoids sales tax and extra income tax. Removing it just means it'll be equally as expensive to go out to eat and servers will make less money.

Serving tables is one of the best ways for someone who lacks hard skills to get a leg up, don't understand why people get so upset about that.

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Tipping has become a social norm is why. Even though it used to be generally limited to the wealthy. Lol, the number of people who think their owed like $10 for grabbing peoples food and drinks on this forum alone says it all.

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s0nicfan posted...

tipping culture is literally "I will give you extra money if you work hard, and less if you under-perform". It's like the exact opposite of anything socialistic.

But it became an expectation to tip everyone.
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Twelf posted...

But it became an expectation to tip everyone.

It's really not though

There's no service were tipping is expected that's unavoidable.

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People really need to stop using socialism to describe capitalist things or things that have nothing to do with either (like government programs). It renders the word meaningless. Is it related in some way to workers controlling the means of production? If not don't call it socialist. It's getting to the point where you can't even talk about socialism in English because the word is becoming devoid of meaning.

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ssjevot posted...

People really need to stop using socialism to describe capitalist things or things that have nothing to do with either (like government programs). It renders the word meaningless. If it related in some way to workers controlling the means of production? If not don't call it socialist. It's getting to the point where you can't even talk about socialism in English because the word is becoming devoid of meaning.

Right?

There's nothing socialist about how a private business wants to make their pay structure. No one is forcing you to tip, it's just general consensus that you're an asswipe if you don't

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Customers always pay employees, tipping just cuts out the middle man and avoids sales tax and extra income tax. Removing it just means it'll be equally as expensive to go out to eat and servers will make less money.

Serving tables is one of the best ways for someone who lacks hard skills to get a leg up, don't understand why people get so upset about that.

I'm not upset by tipping, I was just saying its a way for employers to not have to pay employees as much. I've been a pizza delivery guy on and off since 2006 for the exact reason you mentioned. it pays better than other low skill jobs. But its always been the customers who pay most of what I make, not pizza hut.

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ssjevot posted...

People really need to stop using socialism to describe capitalist things or things that have nothing to do with either (like government programs). It renders the word meaningless. Is it related in some way to workers controlling the means of production? If not don't call it socialist. It's getting to the point where you can't even talk about socialism in English because the word is becoming devoid of meaning.

Welcome to America, a lot of our Democratic Socialists are Social Democrats at best.

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Monolith1676 posted...

Bootstrapping does work. It is all about the drive of the individual if they really want to do better or not.

Lol.

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monkmith posted...

pulling yourself up by your bootstraps was originally a euphemism for being stupid and trying to do the impossible...

And then it was turned into a meme by people too lazy to want to figure out how to actually become successful.

Annihilated posted...

And then it was turned into a meme by people too lazy to want to figure out how to actually become successful.

Found the millennial.

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PMarth2002 posted...

Tipping means you don't have to pay as employees much because your customers pay them.

Thank you! Sheesh.

Read the actual Federal Minimum Wage Law posted nearly everywhere and you'll see it right in your face.

Companies can charge less because min. wage is wage+tips.

Tips are also TAXABLE income.

If wage+tips is lower than minimum wage, the company must foot the rest of it.

It works in the servers favor if the tips are HUGE. But you should GIVE, not tip. Because giving is not taxable.

Just look on any american bank note, "For all debts, public or private"


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Giving also means it can't be reported as a tip.

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hmm maybe because all these fairy tales are lies meant to keep the poor (hey that's you and me) complacent

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IllegalAlien posted...

hmm maybe because all these fairy tales are lies meant to keep the poor (hey that's you and me) complacent

Sadly, it's true. Also, antidepressants do that too.

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PMarth2002 posted...

I'm not upset by tipping, I was just saying its a way for employers to not have to pay employees as much. I've been a pizza delivery guy on and off since 2006 for the exact reason you mentioned. it pays better than other low skill jobs. But its always been the customers who pay most of what I make, not pizza hut.

Restaurants have a notoriously low margin of profit. Let's be real here, if tipping weren't a thing servers would be making minimum wage, maybe slightly more and pizza delivery drivers probably wouldn't even be a thing.

And as I said, it's a pay structure that works in the favor of the server and the customer. If I were to just increase my menu prices to pay my wait staff an hourly wage i also have to charge you for sales tax on that increase, I'll have to pay revenue tax on it, and the server will have to pay income tax on it. You're talking about very significant amounts of money over time.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Restaurants have a notoriously low margin of profit. Let's be real here, if tipping weren't a thing servers would be making minimum wage, maybe slightly more and pizza delivery drivers probably wouldn't even be a thing.

And as I said, it's a pay structure that works in the favor of the server and the customer. If I were to just increase my menu prices to pay my wait staff an hourly wage i also have to charge you for sales tax on that increase, I'll have to pay revenue tax on it, and the server will have to pay income tax on it. You're talking about very significant amounts of money over time.

I've never advocated for abolishing tipping. Why would I do that when I was working for tips as recently as march?

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Customers always pay employees, tipping just cuts out the middle man and avoids sales tax and extra income tax. Removing it just means it'll be equally as expensive to go out to eat and servers will make less money.

Serving tables is one of the best ways for someone who lacks hard skills to get a leg up, don't understand why people get so upset about that.

Some restaurants take the tips or do a "pool tips" thing, negating the server's hard work.
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Applebees is not a damn franchise, right?

Even Pizza Hut tried this shit.


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PMarth2002 posted...

I've never advocated for abolishing tipping. Why would I do that when I was working for tips as recently as march?

You don't get the minimum wage law.

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