Current Events > I don't think Josuke is an underrated JoJo, but Part 4 is.

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I don't think Josuke is an underrated JoJo, but Part 4 is an underrated series. I know some people like the big adventure aspect of Stardust Crusaders and Gokden Wind but I really like Diamond Is Unbreakable. It's so warm and inviting. It's like a big JoJo hug.

Josuke himself is fine. But the show as a whole def deserves more love.

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Literally the only bad thing I ever hear from people about part 4 is that because it's about catching a murderer, the stakes aren't nearly as high as any other part where the world is at stake.

I've never heard anyone say it's underrated before.

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It's basically a slice-of-life JoJo and that's awesome
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Part 4 is probably the most overrated one. People are always calling it the best one and you almost never see actual hate on it.

Meanwhile it's the one I found most boring since it's mainly slice-of-life and doesn't become high stakes until the last batch of episodes.

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I've gone on record here saying part 4 is the best (but i havent finished part 5 yet no spoilers)
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gunplagirl posted...

Literally the only bad thing I ever hear from people about part 4 is that because it's about catching a murderer, the stakes aren't nearly as high as any other part where the world is at stake.

I've never heard anyone say it's underrated before.

Well yeah, no one actively goes out of their way to say Part 4 is bad, but it always came off to me as the forgotten JoJo. No one shit-talks it, but no one talks about it in general.

slmcknett posted...

Part 4 is probably the most overrated one. People are always calling it the best one and you almost never see actual hate on it.

Meanwhile it's the one I found most boring since it's mainly slice-of-life and doesn't become high stakes until the last batch of episodes.

See that's weird cuz I've never seen ANYONE call it the best. I guess it depends on where you're looking.

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PatrickMahomes posted...

I've gone on record here saying part 4 is the best (but i havent finished part 5 yet no spoilers)

Part 6 is my favorite but I'm kinda super excited for part 7 given the anime quality and how the changes they do make to designs make sense.

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GallisOTK posted...

It's basically a slice-of-life JoJo and that's awesome

100% agreed.

PatrickMahomes posted...

I've gone on record here saying part 4 is the best (but i havent finished part 5 yet no spoilers)

You watching the dub too? I think it's got like 5 episodes left.

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LostForest posted...

You watching the dub too? I think it's got like 5 episodes left.

Yeah I just got caught up last night, watched episode 35
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Three episodes left. Last night's was 36.

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slmcknett posted...

Three episodes left. Last night's was 36.

Ok then I haven't seen 36 yet because the site I used was only up to 35
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slmcknett posted...

Part 4 is probably the most overrated one. People are always calling it the best one and you almost never see actual hate on it.

Meanwhile it's the one I found most boring since it's mainly slice-of-life and doesn't become high stakes until the last batch of episodes.

Part 3 and 5 were much more boring. Part 3 didnt get good until they reached Egypt. Everything before that was boring filler and none of the characters were all that likable. Part 5 has even more uninteresting characters than part 3 so I couldnt bring myself to finish watching it. Part 4 was cool because it managed to have really cools battles even without crazy high stakes. The creator went all out with using the stands in unique ways and having the characters think themselves out of situations instead of just winning through brute force. The cast was a lot more entertaining than the one in the previous part and I though the murder mystery aspect was a nice change of pace. It also had my favorite art style in the series lol

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It's the best because the characters are actual people, and the fights are mostly free of "araki forgot" bullshit.

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Ah don't care.

Stone Ocean when?

Come on David, goddamnit!
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Evening_Dragon posted...

It's the best because the characters are actual people, and the fights are mostly free of "araki forgot" bullshit.

Aside from Josuke seemingly having a power-up form when you insult his hair (his hair standing up), and the whole pompadour meeting in the past that went nowhere, yeah. Every part has things like that though (usually many more).

Anyway, Parts 4 and 7 are tied for my favorite. For part 4, I liked all the characters, the stand battles are interesting throughout and the final fight was probably the best in the entire series. Comparatively, Part 3 had boring generic stand powers throughout, Part 5 fell apart at the end, and Part 6 had kind of a boring setting for a bulk of the series and a really disappointing ending.

Kami_no_Kami posted...

Aside from Josuke seemingly having a power-up form when you insult his hair (his hair standing up), and the whole pompadour meeting in the past that went nowhere, yeah

Evening_Dragon posted...

It's the best because the characters are actual people, and the fights are mostly free of "araki forgot" bullshit.

That's fair. Though my big pet peeve was Rohan having this seemingly unbeatable stand power, and then never really doing anything with it after joining the good guys.

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Kami_no_Kami posted...

Aside from Josuke seemingly having a power-up form when you insult his hair (his hair standing up), and the whole pompadour meeting in the past that went nowhere, yeah. Every part has things like that though (usually many more).

The hair flaring up was just a thing in Part 4 whenever a stand user got emotional. Josuke did it when his hair was insulted, it happens to Koichi every time Echoes evolved, and Kira's hair flares up when he was hyping himself up to kill Shigechi.

I also have no idea why people think the Josuke flashback was supposed to come back into the narrative. The point of the flashback is that a good Samaritan with a pompadour helped save Josuke when he had nothing to gain from it, and Josuke decided to copy this man's hairstyle (one of the only things he recognized about him since he only remembers a general silhouette) and his selfless nature. The gangster from Giorno's past never came back either, but people let that one go. Not blaming you particularly for mentioning the flashback, but it was never a loose end.

MorganTJ posted...

The hair flaring up was just a thing in Part 4 whenever a stand user got emotional. Josuke did it when his hair was insulted, it happens to Koichi every time Echoes evolved, and Kira's hair flares up when he was hyping himself up to kill Shigechi.

I also have no idea why people think the Josuke flashback was supposed to come back into the narrative. The point of the flashback is that a good Samaritan with a pompadour helped save Josuke when he had nothing to gain from it, and Josuke decided to copy this man's hairstyle (one of the only things he recognized about him since he only remembers a general silhouette) and his selfless nature. The gangster from Giorno's past never came back either, but people let that one go. Not blaming you particularly for mentioning the flashback, but it was never a loose end.

In the anime, that stranger with the pompadour sounded like he had the same voice as Josuke. And Josuke's stand allows him to revert things back to a previous state, so after seeing that final battle with The World in part 3, its understandable that people would think that he could use his stand to travel back in time.

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MorganTJ posted...

I also have no idea why people think the Josuke flashback was supposed to come back into the narrative. The point of the flashback is that a good Samaritan with a pompadour helped save Josuke when he had nothing to gain from it, and Josuke decided to copy this man's hairstyle (one of the only things he recognized about him since he only remembers a general silhouette) and his selfless nature. The gangster from Giorno's past never came back either, but people let that one go. Not blaming you particularly for mentioning the flashback, but it was never a loose end.

It was pretty obviously a loose end. It had all the structural elements: Foreshadowing, relevance to character development, dedicated scene, etc. It's just that Araki writes fast and loose, and never made anything of it for any number of reasons.

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Part 4 is the best one IMO
5 is the worst
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Japan loves 5, but it's the worst
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See, TC? I feel your topic itself now proves, at least a little bit, that Part 4 is more overrated than underrated.
It's definitely praised more than it's bashed, at any rate.

It's definitely 2 > 5 > 3 > 4 > 1 for me, though.

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Well then I stand corrected! Personally I wouldn't say it's the best, I feel like it's def solid towards the top.

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Evening_Dragon posted...

It was pretty obviously a loose end. It had all the structural elements: Foreshadowing, relevance to character development, dedicated scene, etc. It's just that Araki writes fast and loose, and never made anything of it for any number of reasons.

Arakis mentioned in an interview that it wasnt supposed to be a plot point besides establishing a backstory and motivation for the protagonist. Hes mentioned for other plot elements, such as Fugo leaving the group that he intended for things to go in other directions, but he explicitly stated that the flashback man was not supposed to come back into the narrative.

Oh, no, I was talking about Josuke, no Giorno. The latter's backstory had no reason to introduce the unnamed gangster.

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I meant Josukes backstory too. One of the themes of Part 4 is that members of a community protect one another. One of the main reasons they go after Kira is that hes killed one of their own. If Josuke went back in time to save himself, it ruins that theme. Josuke wasnt inspired to protect others because a stranger helped him, he helped himself, inspiring himself to protect others because ???. It was just a nice dude with a pompadour that lived nearby, thats it.

MorganTJ posted...

Arakis mentioned in an interview that it wasnt supposed to be a plot point besides establishing a backstory and motivation for the protagonist. Hes mentioned for other plot elements, such as Fugo leaving the group that he intended for things to go in other directions, but he explicitly stated that the flashback man was not supposed to come back into the narrative.

Was Fugo leaving really just because Araki thought his stand was too OP and difficult to write stories where he doesn't just body every villain they fight?

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LostForest posted...

Was Fugo leaving really just because Araki thought his stand was too OP and difficult to write stories where he doesn't just body every villain they fight?

I thought he was going to have Fugo join back up with Diavolo and fight the group, but he didnt like the idea of a character that was so close to Buccelatis crew trying to kill them so he replaced it with the Cioccolata fight. Thats why the effects of Purple Haze and Green Day seem so similar.

Yeah, he was planning for Fugo to betray the group, but didn't go through with it because it would've been too sad. I don't know if he meant for Green Day to be the replacement, but it doesn't matter much. Before that interview was translated, we assumed that he was written out because it would be difficult to make fights revolving around Purple Haze.At a certain point it's difficult to keep up with what's official word from the author and what's assumptions from the fanbase. For what it's worth, in the interview about Josuke's past, I believe the interviewer was also under the impression that time travel was supposed to play a part in that scene. It's just that when the author refutes a theory, that should generally end the debate, but interviews or author's notes don't always get translated.

That's really silly then. Betrayal and sadness makes for great drama/storytelling. Like, Abacchio dying was really sad. Why's that get a free pass? Lol.

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