Current Events > If so many people claim to be against "PC culture," how did it become

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so dominant?

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Virtue signalling.

Whether a character is straight or gay or pretty or blah isn't going to have that much effect on how well the game sells if it's a good game. So making women ugly or lesbian gives you brownie points because you're fighting chauvinistic male fantasies of "fighting fuck toys." Or something like that.

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i like to believe that most people dont give a shit they cant call black people the n word

the pc complainers are just a loud, stupid, repulsive minority imo

People who complain about "pc culture" are mostly people who are just butthurt that they can't use slurs about different races or sexual orientation anymore in day to day conversation.

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The people complaining about it are in the minority. They're just very, very loud.

When I talk about "pc culture" problems. Mass Effect: Andromeda is a great example.

They shoehorned in a trans person that wanted nothing more than to tell a complete stranger how trans they are, they did this just to check a box off and make their game "more diverse." They were called on their bullshit and went back and edited the character later, but it doesn't change the fact that the characters original SOLE PURPOSE was to check a box.

That is the kinda of bullshit pc culture I am against.

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The stuff actually worth complaining about is typically peddled by specific people in charge of creative decisions.

Dustin1280 posted...

You have no proof that the reason for the character existing was to check a box. In the end, all you're against is bad writing.

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CyricZ posted...

You have no proof that the reason for the character existing was to check a box. In the end, all you're against is bad writing.

If they want that character to TRULY mean something, it wouldn't have been shorehorned in and blatantly shoved in your face. They wouldn't have made such a terrible character to begin with, they would have done more research and made a more believable character.

So yes, originally it was there to check a box.

They eventually fixed the character, but not until a bunch of outcry on how ridiculous that character was originally.

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Because higher ups will push stuff out regardless of what people want either because they want it, or they think it will do well financially.

And while established series can have something dumb happen and still have people love the content regardless of the dumb woke thing.

Something like Marvel putting out that New Warriors team with a kid huffing internet gas and his pals safepace and snowflake is quickly derided.

Dustin1280 posted...

If they want that character to TRULY mean something, it wouldn't have been shorehorned in and blatantly shoved in your face. They wouldn't have made such a terrible character to begin with, they would have done more research and made a more believable character.

So yes, originally it was there to check a box.

They eventually fixed the character, but not until a bunch of outcry on how ridiculous that character was originally.

My response has not changed.

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CyricZ posted...

My response has not changed.

Sorry bud, if you can't spot an obvious afterthought character that was there for no other purpose then to tell you how trans that person was, then that is on you.

Willful ignorance is not a good thing, you should look into that at some point.

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PC Culture is not dominant. They get shit on all the time.

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Dustin1280 posted...

Sorry bud, if you can't spot an obvious afterthought character that was there for no other purpose then to tell you how trans that person was, then that is on you.

Willful ignorance is not a good thing, you should look into that at some point.

You have no proof of the motives and now you're trying to shame me for not being as judgmental and presumptive as you.

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Veggeta X posted...

PC Culture is not dominant. They get shit on all the time.

As they should... At least the type of PC culture I am referring to...

If you are talking about people that blame PC culture for not be able to use racial slurs, that is a different matter entirely...

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its present form is a product of societal aristocracy

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Dustin1280 posted...

Sorry bud, if you can't spot an obvious afterthought character that was there for no other purpose then to tell you how trans that person was, then that is on you.

Willful ignorance is not a good thing, you should look into that at some point.

I only ever hear shit like this from people who have never written a story in their entire lives.

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CyricZ posted...

You have no proof of the motives and now you're trying to shame me for not being as judgmental and presumptive as you.

I am shaming you because you refuse to see the obvious answer that is right in front of you. I am also done discussing this matter with you because its clear neither of us will change their mind.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

I only ever hear shit like this from people who have never written a story in their entire lives.

How else would you describe a trans person npc put into a video game that wants NOTHING MORE than to tell a complete stranger how trans they are?

There was absolutely NO THOUGHT put into that character to begin with, if there was ANY thought about what they were trying to represent, it would not have been such a ridiculous caricature.

That character was literally an after-thought, and after-thought characters that represent various forms of diversity are a stupid thing.

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That's fine. Just so long as you're aware of your own arrogance.

And just for everyone's record, I'm not arguing that character wasn't poorly written. I absolutely believe it was. I just don't assume a malicious PC motive behind the writer. Just laziness.

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Dustin1280 posted...

How else would you describe a trans person put into a video game that wants NOTHING MORE than to tell you how trans they are?

How about just "a character"

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Dustin1280 posted...

How else would you describe a trans person npc put into a video game that wants NOTHING MORE than to tell a complete stranger how trans they are?

There was absolutely NO THOUGHT put into that character to begin with, if there was ANY thought about what they were trying to represent, it would not have been such a ridiculous caricature.

That character was literally an after thought, and after thought characters that represent various forms of diversity are an awful thing...

"It was so obvious" is a red flag m8

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Because everyone loves PC culture when it aligns with their values

Dustin1280 posted...

When I talk about "pc culture" problems. Mass Effect: Andromeda is a great example.

They shoehorned in a trans person that wanted nothing more than to tell a complete stranger how trans they are, they did this just to check a box off and make their game "more diverse." They were called on their bullshit and went back and edited the character later, but it doesn't change the fact that the characters original SOLE PURPOSE was to check a box.

That is the kinda of bullshit pc culture I am against.

you realize games (and movies) have been focus-testing and including characters to "check a box" for literal decades, right? people like you only started complaining when they started trying to appeal to people who aren't white and male

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Tyranthraxus posted...

How about just "a character"

Sure, I will describe that person as a caricature of a true trans person. Because from the numerous people I have talked to that are transgender, not one of them would ever willingly till a complete stranger about their backstory in the first couple sentences after meeting them.

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Dustin1280 posted...

Sure, I will describe that person as a caricature of a true trans person. Because from the numerous people I have talked to that are transgender, not one of them would ever willingly till a complete stranger about their backstory in the first couple sentences after meeting them.

every mass effect character does this, even the cis ones.

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am i the only one who can see FortuneCookie's posts on this message board or what

ssk9716757 posted...

you realize games (and movies) have been focus-testing and including characters to "check a box" for literal decades, right? people like you only started complaining when they started trying to appeal to people who aren't white and male

Well if they want to appeal to LGBTQ people, perhaps their characters shouldn't be blatant caricatures with no thought put into them whatsoever.

I am against ANY character of any kind being shoehorned anywhere. I don't care what their background is, but they should actually fit with the story they want to tell and not be a checkbox.

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FortuneCookie posted...

Virtue signalling.

Whether a character is straight or gay or pretty or blah isn't going to have that much effect on how well the game sells if it's a good game. So making women ugly or lesbian gives you brownie points because you're fighting chauvinistic male fantasies of "fighting fuck toys." Or something like that.

no you just have to make them reasonably designed. e.g. Lara Croft's redesign in the Tomb Raider reboot, she's not ugly and still got praised for not being a sexualized caricature

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ssk9716757 posted...

no you just have to make them reasonably designed. e.g. Lara Croft's redesign in the Tomb Raider reboot, she's not ugly and still got praised for not being a sexualized caricature

He's just gonna talk about how her breasts are smaller in the remake continuity

ssk9716757 posted...

no you just have to make them reasonably designed. e.g. Lara Croft's redesign in the Tomb Raider reboot, she's not ugly and still got praised for not being a sexualized caricature

Exactly! Make them at least somewhat realistic and reasonable, not ridiculous.

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Dustin1280 posted...

Well if they want to appeal to LGBTQ people, perhaps their characters shouldn't be blatant caricatures with no thought put into them whatsoever.

I am against ANY character of any kind being shoehorned anywhere. I don't care what their background is, but they should actually fit with the story they want to tell and not be a checkbox.

yeah i call bs. i haven't followed you personally but there was no mass complaining against the years of straight white male protagonists that were there by default to appeal to the core gamer demographic.

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ssk9716757 posted...

yeah i call bs. i haven't followed you personally but there was no mass complaining against the years of straight white male protagonists that were there by default to appeal to the core gamer demographic.

I don't care who or what the protagonist is, as long as they fit with the story.

It has nothing to do with race, sex, or anything else.

What I dislike is shoehorned, no thought, checkboxes.

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I think that people really underestimate the number of people who dont want to be PUBLICLY awful.

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Personally I think its the versatility. The visuals may not be as good if you havent heavily invested in staying current with your specs, but I mostly play stuff released a few years ago, anyway
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ssk9716757 posted...

yeah i call bs. i haven't followed you personally but there was no mass complaining against the years of straight white male protagonists that were there by default to appeal to the core gamer demographic.

Eh, people have been shitting on poorly written protagonists for decades, especially JRPG ones.

A character being a straight white male has never absolved them from being criticized for lack of quality, which is how it should be that no character gets a free pass to be terrible or boring because they "checked a box" so to speak.
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My only issue with this is it seems that no matter how hard a company would try to make a fully fleshed out trans/LGBQ person as a main character, with a great backstory and overall really well done, it will still be met with a great percentage of people met with "they're just doing it for brownie points"

So then how is a company that actually wants to make a trans/LGBQ character supposed to make one without facing such criticism?

Take a look at Ellie from TLOU. There were already signs/hints in the original that she may be a lesbian, but when the trailer for TLOU2 comes out and shows that she is gay, there's a certain part of the fandom actually upset about it and feels they shoehorned it in just to get "woke points" even though the writing was already on the wall.

It just begs the question in how a company is supposed to do it correctly without facing this backlash.

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Lysandear posted...

i like to believe that most people dont give a shit they cant call black people the n word

the pc complainers are just a loud, stupid, repulsive minority imo

^ this.

The complainers are not the majority.

@TC, People on whatever forum or twitter or reddit or facebook are not normal average people.
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Dustin1280 posted...

When I talk about "pc culture" problems. Mass Effect: Andromeda is a great example.

They shoehorned in a trans person that wanted nothing more than to tell a complete stranger how trans they are, they did this just to check a box off and make their game "more diverse." They were called on their bullshit and went back and edited the character later, but it doesn't change the fact that the characters original SOLE PURPOSE was to check a box.

That is the kinda of bullshit pc culture I am against.

I mean, does it really matter at the end of the day? This happens with everything, not just gender/race issues.

Why is Wolverine banging this Japanese woman weve never met before and never shows up again? Because the movie needed a romance to check a box.

Why is Olaf in Frozen when he adds nothing to the story? Because Disney needed a mascot character to check a box.

Why does every anime have enough female characters to appeal to every popular fetish? Checking boxes.

Every piece of media ever conceived has characters or elements that were only originally put in there to check boxes.

In Naruto, Sasuke only exists because the editor told the author that he needed a rival character.

these checks can turn out good or bad, but they exist everywhere, for every possible cause. Its a bit weird when people only focus on racial or LGBT pandering and ignore literally every other element of pandering present in a work >_>


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Anything can seem dominant if mainstream news, movies, shows, and games decide to spam it to a obnoxious degree. Kinda like how the news fooled people into thinking automatic weapons were a serious issue nationwide.

The problem is if someones straight they likely have little to no interest in storys gamer, or interactions between trans/homosexual characters. This doeasnt mean their trns or homophobic, just not interested.

Which is why oftentimes its inclusions are random and sparse to maybe appease the small demographic of their audience it does relate to.

Although lesbianism seems to get a sorta half pass in most media.

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NoMeLx22x posted...

My only issue with this is it seems that no matter how hard a company would try to make a fully fleshed out trans/LGBQ person as a main character, with a great backstory and overall really well done, it will still be met with a great percentage of people met with "they're just doing it for brownie points"

So then how is a company that actually wants to make a trans/LGBQ character supposed to make one without facing such criticism?

Take a look at Ellie from TLOU. There were already signs/hints in the original that she may be a lesbian, but when the trailer for TLOU2 comes out and shows that she is gay, there's a certain part of the fandom actually upset about it and feels they shoehorned it in just to get "woke points" even though the writing was already on the wall.

It just begs the question in how a company is supposed to do it correctly without facing this backlash.

She was already gay in the first game and they made that undeniable in the DLC
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Prismsblade posted...

Anything can seem dominant if mainstream news, movies, shows, and games decide to spam it to a obnoxious degree. Kinda like how the news fooled people into thinking automatic weapons were a serious issue nationwide.

The problem is if someones straight they likely have little to no interest in storys gamer, or interactions between trans/homosexual characters. This doeasnt mean their trns or homophobic, just not interested.

Which is why oftentimes its inclusions are random and sparse to maybe appease the small demographic of their audience it does relate to.

Although lesbianism seems to get a sorta half pass in most media.

I am not Dragonborn. Does that mean I am not interested in Skyrim?
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The_Creep_2020 posted...

I am not Dragonborn. Does that mean I am not interested in Skyrim?

Idk you, or your preferences, nor do I care.

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