Poll of the Day > So what's up with Bidens son getting millions from Ukraine and China ties?

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There is a new senate report about that and more from the committee on homeland security and governmental affairs and the Committee on Finance that just came out

https://tinyurl.com/y6lv8cpy

Do you think the money is 100% legit or not?

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shadowsword87 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/78994993/944999380

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/78994993/945001864

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shadowsword87 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/78994993/944999380

Dodged the topic. Doesnt want to talk about it. Divert!

Oh yeah, this is the thing that got Trump impeached. Carry on.
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Phantom_Nook posted...

Oh yeah, this is the thing that got Trump impeached. Carry on.

Trump got impeached because joe bidens son got millions from ukraine anf built chinese ties while he was vice president?

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Zangulus posted...

Why are you even remotely attempting to debate politics when you dont even know the basic facts regarding the situations?

I mean, we all know why, but Id like to see what kind of answer you come up with.

that's what nook said, i'm simply asking, am i not allowed to ask things?


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this is redpixel isn't it


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likehelly posted...

this is redpixel isn't it

Nah, if it was he would be aggressively attacking my personal life in my other topic

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i have no idea who redpixel is

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Obama did 9/11

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Yet another example of Republican hypocrisy. You dont actually care about this. If you did, you would have demanded Trump release his tax returns and divulge what foreign investors he still has since he never divested from his companies.

Ill care about Bidens son when yall care about the sitting President. Im tired of Republican gaslighting first issues they do not care about like the sanctity of human life, the second amendment, or foreign influence and corruption.

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kangolcone posted...

Yet another example of Republican hypocrisy. You dont actually care about this. If you did, you would have demanded Trump release his tax returns and divulge what foreign investors he still has since he never divested from his companies.

Ill care about Bidens son when yall care about the sitting President. Im tired of Republican gaslighting first issues they do not care about like the sanctity of human life, the second amendment, or foreign influence and corruption.

whataboutism

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Wanded posted...

whataboutism

Thats actually a term describing propaganda. Im not trying to influence how you think, which is the goal of propaganda. Im simply stating that Ive stopped caring about what Republicans think is an issue when theyve shown they actually dont care about these issues. Im not gonna get upset about Biden if the other side isnt upset about Trump. Thats my feelings on it. I have no interest in influencing how you feel so its not really whataboutism.

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Nobody gives a fuck about Hunter Biden

This is just another Benghazi or migrant caravan for them to talk about before an election

Its legitimately hilarious to hear the Trumps complain about nepotism though

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Wanded posted...

whataboutism

Something the poli-right does to an extreme to divert all attention from what they're doing, themselves. Note that kangolcone isn't saying "Thing A by person X isn't bad because person Y is getting away with thing B;" rather he's saying he doesn't care about one finance-related issue, without denying it is one, because a separate, ongoing finance-related issue coming from Trump isn't being addressed. That said, I do find it peculiar that this would have been brought up in the first place when I cannot find any instance where you said yay or nay regarding Trump's tax returns or foreign investors.

Also, it is funny someone calls you a hypocrite here, and you pick up the word to throw at anyone else in another topic without understanding the differences in matters.

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Entity13 posted...

because a separate, ongoing finance-related issue coming from Trump isn't being addressed.

it is being addressed, simply not in this topic, because this topic isn't about trump.
and i know this will come as an absolute shocker for you and many others here but...you might wanna sit down for this and have a glass of cold water at standby....not everything is about trump.
if you wanna talk about trump, about a topic about trump, like you do thrice a day at this point, tag me and i'll comment on it.

Entity13 posted... he's saying he doesn't care about one finance-related issue

several issues*

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Wanded posted...

several issues*

No, one issue with "findings" regarding the one issue, according to Daily Wire's reporting of the report.

Wanded posted...

i know this will come as an absolute shocker for you and many others here but...you might wanna sit down for this and have a glass of cold water at standby....not everything is about trump

In this case I'm not saying everything is about Trump (as much as he might like to think it is). I'm stating what I understand of another person's comment, which actually was about him.

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Your entire democracy is a lie.

your president wont concede a defeat and wants to get rid of mailed in ballots and is intentionally disenfranchising black voters soooooo

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Entity13 posted...

No, one issue with "findings" regarding the one issue, according to Daily Wire's reporting of the report

it addresses several different issues though, one is the millions bidens son got from ukraine, another is chinese ties, another is paying individuals seemingly linked to an Eastern European prostitution or human trafficking ring etc

if you wanna band them together as "foreign affairs" then yea it can be counted as one issue but imo that's semantics

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Wanded posted...

it addresses several different issues though, one is the millions bidens son got from ukraine, another is chinese ties, another is paying individuals seemingly linked to an Eastern European prostitution or human trafficking ring etc

if you wanna band them together as "foreign affairs" then yea it can be counted as one issue but imo that's semantics

I do band them together as a potential issue regarding Hunter's finances, as examples of the one issue.

Imagine being sick, and the symptoms occur multiple times over the course of a few days. Do you call each symptom, each occurrence, or even each day, a separate issue, or do you classify them as part of a larger whole - the illness?

Assuming the validity of this report, these are accounts or examples of a single, corrupt behavior. By this token, it becomes difficult to ascertain if Trump's tax records and his foreign affairs are singular or separate, for example. We do not have enough information because said records are kept from the public eye despite court rulings on this. Hunter, on the other hand, is presumed by one side to have received money when and where he shouldn't have, while some on the left have zero interest in hearing about it since it is so peripheral to the issues we currently face, or that the right refuses to address its present golden boy who, as you say, not everything is about - clearly.

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kangolcone posted...

Yet another example of Republican hypocrisy. You dont actually care about this. If you did, you would have demanded Trump release his tax returns and divulge what foreign investors he still has since he never divested from his companies.

Ill care about Bidens son when yall care about the sitting President. Im tired of Republican gaslighting first issues they do not care about like the sanctity of human life, the second amendment, or foreign influence and corruption.

>Politician's son gets high-paying jobs from companies closely aligned with governments to buy access to a sitting politician and, while in that position, the politician acts to the benefits of those countries
>"But his tax returns!"

If Eric or Donald Trump was being paid a large sum of work for a company closely tied to a foreign nation where Trump was giving preferential treatment to that nation, your last concern would be "tax returns." You're basically suggesting that a fishing expedition is more important than something where you already have a very visible conflict that demonstrates the highly for-profit nature of politics where politicians' families enter the political arena from working class backgrounds but manage to tremendously enrich themselves through their office or benefits associated thereof.

Entity13 posted...

I do band them together as a potential issue regarding Hunter's finances, as examples of the one issue.

Imagine being sick, and the symptoms occur multiple times over the course of a few days. Do you call each symptom, each occurrence, or even each day, a separate issue, or do you classify them as part of a larger whole - the illness?

Assuming the validity of this report, these are accounts or examples of a single, corrupt behavior. By this token, it becomes difficult to ascertain if Trump's tax records and his foreign affairs are singular or separate, for example. We do not have enough information because said records are kept from the public eye despite court rulings on this. Hunter, on the other hand, is presumed by one side to have received money when and where he shouldn't have, while some on the left have zero interest in hearing about it since it is so peripheral to the issues we currently face, or that the right refuses to address its present golden boy who, as you say, not everything is about - clearly.

It's a silly claim justifying what you admit is a fishing expedition (ie, your assertion that Trump's tax returns are more important because you won't know what you'll find, which is literally a fishing expedition). The tradition of presidents/presidential candidates releasing tax returns goes back to the 70s and only started because somebody partially leaked Nixon's tax returns to the press at the time. And almost nowhere else in the world is this a standard practice.

More so, considering that Hunter's PRIMARY income comes from ties to these companies, it's also a far more significant factor than Trump possibly having business interests abroad considering Trump's massive empire (where his disclosures were already 92 pages long; meanwhile Bernie's full tax record was only 7 pages)

And if you're overly concerned about potential hidden conflicts, shouldn't you be advocating that everybody in a politician's family release their tax returns? You'll want to fish there, too, because oftentimes benefits are being given to relatives rather than the politician themselves (although the actual super illegal shit -- like direct bribes -- won't show on an IRS form anyway and you'd need a forensic accountant, etc, rather than John Q Public to find to find it)

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https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/wyden-ronjohn-stumbled-upon-evidence-of-trump-corruption-in-ukraine-probe

Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) accidentally revealed more evidence of corruption in the Trump administrations dealings with Ukraine in the course of his investigation into Hunter Biden, according to a letter from Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR).

In an unbelievable twist of irony, the corruption allegation has to do with a cabinet-level Trump official pressuring the Ukrainian government to alter the composition of the board of a Ukrainian energy company.

Oops.

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That entire report is such a partisan joke

the conclusion to every point is basically just ugh the democrats are the rEaL corrupt ones

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Zeus_LLC posted...

It's a silly claim justifying what you admit is a fishing expedition (ie, your assertion that Trump's tax returns are more important because you won't know what you'll find, which is literally a fishing expedition).

Show me where I said it was more important. I believe the word I used was relevant.

Also:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/fishing_expedition#:~:text=Definition%20from%20Nolo's%20Plain%2DEnglish,be%20used%20against%20an%20adversary.

It was Trump who tried to uncover dirt about Hunter to get to Joe Biden. Meanwhile, where have I admitted to trying to uncover dirt about Trump, versus stating that we do not have enough information to formulate an accurate representation of right or wrong on multiple accounts. Hold this thought for a moment, because we may come back to it.

Zeus_LLC posted...

The tradition of presidents/presidential candidates releasing tax returns goes back to the 70s and only started because somebody partially leaked Nixon's tax returns to the press at the time. And almost nowhere else in the world is this a standard practice.

You are referring to the start of Presidential Tax Returns being a matter since Nixon's scandal had occurred in the 70s, during which time Nixon released his returns in an attempt to quell said scandal. While it is true that Carter through* Obama held to the tradition of releasing their returns for the public to see, that is perhaps half of the picture here. It was never law to release said returns, but it has been mandatory for the IRS to audit every sitting president or vice president, since the 70s, "in the interest of sound administration."

*It should be noted that a couple presidents before Nixon had released details, but never full returns; that Gerald Ford, Nixon's VP and Carter's predecessor, released many details but not the record itself; and Bill Clinton's returns had only been released when Hillary ran several years later.

Fast-forward to the current administration, and Trump's cause for not showing his returns were that he was under audit, which was not a problem for the leaders or similar men before him who hadn't seen this as an issue.

Zeus_LLC posted...

More so, considering that Hunter's PRIMARY income comes from ties to these companies, it's also a far more significant factor than Trump possibly having business interests abroad considering Trump's massive empire (where his disclosures were already 92 pages long; meanwhile Bernie's full tax record was only 7 pages)

What, pray tell, were you aiming to achieve with this statement other than slip it in? Without pointing out, yet again, that the aforementioned report of a report comes from a hard-right source, you fail to state how the allegations against Hunter are more significant than something we do not have sufficient data for. You fail to convince a (presently unknown) number of people that it isn't hypocritical to disregard Trump's shady behavior or overseas interests, something that has been brought up at length over the last four years, versus accosting Hunter of his own actions, which is something Trump tried to use, with foreign aid, and became a target for per Impeachment proceedings . . . that went nowhere because of a Republican-controlled Senate that refused to hear witnesses. But I digress; no one is outright denying that wrongdoing may have happened in Hunter's care, only that they don't care since this other, related issue, has not been given its due.

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Phantom_Nook posted...

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/wyden-ronjohn-stumbled-upon-evidence-of-trump-corruption-in-ukraine-probe

Oops.

so there isn't miilions of dollars involved here, regardless this should be checked and investigated as well and if it is indeed true and illegal trump should be punished.

can you post on what this topic is actually about though?

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Wanded posted...

can you post on what this topic is actually about though?

Wanded posted...

there is miilions of dollars involved here, regardless this should be checked and investigated as well and if it is indeed true and illegal Hunter should be punished.

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@Mead thanks i corrected it

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