Current Events > PSA: Both sidesing doesn't make you appear intelligent

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Just an FYI

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Depends on the issue, if its a case of who has the citizens best interests at heart than its absolutely fair to say both political sides dont give a shit.

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Imagine being a progressive and not accepting that the DNC and RNC are both trash. You have to be pretty deluded to think the DNC is progressive or on the side of progressives.

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but what if it does?

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Smarter than that garbage chec cocks gun line....

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"the conveyor belt to the meat grinder is better than the meat grinder"

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Lairen posted...

Smarter than that garbage chec cocks gun line....

Uh.... yeah.

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EmbraceOfDeath posted...

Imagine being a progressive and not accepting that the DNC and RNC are both trash. You have to be pretty deluded to think the DNC is progressive or on the side of progressives.

i'm so progressive, i vote for donald trump to show how disgusted i am with the democratic party! get on my level.

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EmbraceOfDeath posted...

Imagine being a progressive and not accepting that the DNC and RNC are both trash. You have to be pretty deluded to think the DNC is progressive or on the side of progressives.

Both trash does not mean one isn't clearly better than the other.

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Neither does trying to act above other users while being ignorant about many facets of the American political process like you are, Doom.

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It's true that both sides are terrible though.

Right now Trump is so bad that I have no choice but to vote for Biden.

Would be nice if there were better choices.

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EmbraceOfDeath posted...

Imagine being a progressive and not accepting that the DNC and RNC are both trash. You have to be pretty deluded to think the DNC is progressive or on the side of progressives.

If you're a progressive then there is no "both sides" to you. The DNC is center-right on a global scale and the GOP has tipped the scale so far to the right that basic human decency is now a "liberal hoax"

"both sides" are these wannabe middle-ground fence-sitters who are ok with civil liberties being trashed on by an extremist conservative government as long as they can benefit from late-stage capitalism and buy shit. They think being against racism is as easy as not saying the n-word while also refusing to accept the systemic and institutionalized racism that continues to plague a supposedly civilized nation.

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Yeah, whenever there's a grain of truth to the both sides thing, the person highlighting that always acts as if the magnitude of the sin of both sides is the same. Whenever I've tried to use the Republican adherence to trickle down as a reason for not voting for them, there's always some dumbass who says some shit like "Democrats practice trickle down and kiss up to Wall Street."

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I think its less about intelligence and more about honesty. Can you be honest about not only the good your side is doing, but also the bad? Im not talking about giving meaningless lip service to it, but really acknowledging those realities, regardless of the consequences.

A lot of people detest having to face the wrong that their own side is guilty of and I believe its why they cant stand centrists. Centrists are annoying because they remind you that your side is not necessarily the so-called good guys. You might in fact just be a little less shitty than the other side.

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No. Tribalism does though

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Hmm

Let's see someone take the contrary stance on a position around here and you'll see exactly why so many people hang around the middle

I wouldn't be surprised to believe that there are more moderates on CE than one would assume

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All you got to do to look intelligent on CE is parrot liberal talking points. Tell people what they want to hear.

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Both sides/enlightened centrism in general is just a bunch of youngsters trying to flex their brain while remaining incapable of commitment or making any hard decisions.

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Blue_Dream87 posted...

Both sides/enlightened centrism in general is just a bunch of youngsters trying to flex their brain while remaining incapable of commitment or making any hard decisions.

Have you considered that it's possible to feel one way about a certain topic and a different way about another, or is everything in this world all or nothing

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no the people who can't make hard decisions are the ones who run to the democrats every election and keep us stuck in this

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

I think its less about intelligence and more about honesty. Can you be honest about not only the good your side is doing, but also the bad? Im not talking about giving meaningless lip service to it, but really acknowledging those realities, regardless of the consequences.

A lot of people detest having to face the wrong that their own side is guilty of and I believe its why they cant stand centrists. Centrists are annoying because they remind you that your side is not necessarily the so-called good guys. You might in fact just be a little less shitty than the other side.

People dislike centrists because centrism is used as a front to tolerate increasing amounts of right wing extremism while putting the slightest faults of the left wing under excessive scrutiny thus moving the overton window and normalizing the outreach of fascism.

It's a lot like the shit The Admiral used to say back when Obama was still in charge. "I don't hate gay people I just don't think people who want to ban gay marriage are bad and might have some valid points about things that are important to them like gay marriage is to you"

No one has ever claimed to be perfect but people need to understand the truth just isn't always in the middle.

Edit: I take that back a little. I guess Donald Trump has claimed to be perfect. But whatever.

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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Have you considered that it's possible to feel one way about a certain topic and a different way about another, or is everything in this world all or nothing

I'd say there needs to be internal logic to your politics. All policies and issues don't exist in a vacuum, you gotta contextualize it and compare it to the rest of what's going on. You need that broader frame, and that actually takes work to build unlike finding the "correct" take on some individual issue.

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Blue_Dream87 posted...

I'd say there needs to be internal logic to your politics. All policies and issues don't exist in a vacuum, you gotta contextualize it and compare it to the rest of what's going on. You need that broader frame, and that actually takes work to build unlike finding the "correct" take on some individual issue.

Hmm I see

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AvantgardeAClue posted...

Have you considered that it's possible to feel one way about a certain topic and a different way about another, or is everything in this world all or nothing

1. You're making the assumption that having an opinion that's on the right counteracts/balances out an opinion on the left. The world doesn't work that way. If I want legal marijuana and also child detention camps for migrants, that doesn't make me a good person.
2. Often if you look deep enough into an issue or set of issues, you begin to see how they're interconnected. You realize how having two seemingly independent viewpoints on opposite sides of the political spectrum are actually rooted in the same issue that you should probably consider with more nuance. Also you can trace nearly every problem facing America today back to some sort of racism, sexism, or exploitation of the poor and working class.
3. The act of being apolitical or taking a non-political stance is, by definition, political. You are exercising a privilege of existing outside of an issue that's affecting your fellow citizens. And by taking a middle-ground sad fart noise lack of conviction really means you're content with the continued oppression of others so long as it does not inflict even the slightest infraction on your fart-filled bubble.

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Im just glad tc is here to learn us all in between his shift at Dairy Queen lmao

While it's entirely possible just to spout it while otherwise being completely uninformed, it's completely reasonable to find extreme fault in two sides of a fairly radicalized system like politics.

AvantgardeAClue posted...

Have you considered that it's possible to feel one way about a certain topic and a different way about another, or is everything in this world all or nothing

The issue is that, generally speaking, Liberal Elites and Conservative Elites tend to have a more intellectually consistent ideology that they can explain in better detail, which is why they are the intellectual elites of the party. It's hard to be intellectually consistent as a centrist because that usually involves taking solutions from both sides that do not, in combination, make sense when you look at them in detail.

How do you rationalize decreased wage control in combination with increased tenant rights? How do you rationalize universal health care with privatization of medical research and strict copyrights for medical patents.

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Categorizing any kind of criticism of the democratic party as "both sidesing" when coming at it from the left is pretty dumb.
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sorry, my VALUES and possible vindicated smugness in case biden loses are of far greater import

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uhhhhhhh all the youtubers i watch whose livelihoods depend on peddling conflict think both sides are the same so you're wrong

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

I think its less about intelligence and more about honesty. Can you be honest about not only the good your side is doing, but also the bad? Im not talking about giving meaningless lip service to it, but really acknowledging those realities, regardless of the consequences.

A lot of people detest having to face the wrong that their own side is guilty of and I believe its why they cant stand centrists. Centrists are annoying because they remind you that your side is not necessarily the so-called good guys. You might in fact just be a little less shitty than the other side.

This is perhaps the most out of touch political take yet.

Like when the fuck have you seen anyone defend Biden or Kamala as good? They're just "less bad".

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Best way to seem intelligent is to watch CNN every day and agree with everything they say imo

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It doesnt take a genius to figure out that both parties at their core are trash and nothing more than a giant pecker measuring contest

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WashYourHands posted...

It doesnt take a genius to figure out that both parties at their core are trash and nothing more than a giant pecker measuring contest

you're right it takes a very stupid person to arrive at this conclusion

Guys my side is good your side is bad lolololololol bruh ofc

fuckin so dumb

Evening_Dragon posted...

This is perhaps the most out of touch political take yet.

Like when the fuck have you seen anyone defend Biden or Kamala as good? They're just "less bad".

He's about as right wing as they come but a few users here always come to the defense of Biden and Harris.

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"Same thing both sides" people are ignorant. But mostly because they do not understand that this is not a "both sides" issue. Both the Democratic Party and Republican Party are right leaning. We do not have a true leftist party in America. It's same thing, SAME sides.

But even more ignorant than "same thing both sides" is people who pretend the Democrats are the saviors just because they are not Republicans. That Biden is the savior of the soul of our country because he's not Trump, even though Biden has a lot more to do with why the riots are happening than Trump does.

Establishment Democrats are corporate whores. Just as much corporate whores as Republicans. Very little would change economically if we elect Biden. He's the biggest corporate whore. He even fellated Reagan publicly because he just loved that "trickle-down" bullshit.

Think Trump courts white supremacists too much? Does David Duke's endorsement bother you? Well according to Joe Biden, he got an endorsement from Strom Thurmond. (If you don't know who he is, don't talk about politcs ever again until you've googled him. He's the archnemesis of the Civil Rights Movement. He's way worse than any living white supremacist.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uhTBIJIRLk

And Joe wore that shit like a badge of pride.

Joe also voted against desegregation. Y'know. That thing his VP pick called him out on during the debates.....

Disturbed by Trump's Access Hollywood tape where he talks about "when you're a star", you can just walk up to a woman and inappropriately touch her? Biden's the one we caught actually doing it on camera. (Albeit not grabbing them by the pussy.....) Even to little girls.

Would you be surprised if I told you Joe Biden got out of the Vietnam draft by being rich? (Yes. Biden is from a rich family. A rich family that owned slaves. A lot of these career politicians are.) Just like Trump? And Dubya?

Really, Biden is just a non-fascist, dumber version of Trump. That's an absolute fact. Difference is Biden is a puppet, while Trump prefers to be the one pulling the strings.

You know, I cannot in good faith say that Biden would have handled Coronavirus better than Trump has. His corporate whoreness would have led to him opening up early because his corporate masters told him too. He is very, very, VERY obedient to rich donors. Really.

So yeah. Don't tell us progressives we have to vote for Biden or we're Trump supporters. The only way we win is if Biden loses but Democrats hold onto the House and take the Senate so Trump gets removed. As in, we only win if both Biden AND Trump lose.
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Steve Nick posted...

It's true that both sides are terrible though.

Right now Trump is so bad that I have no choice but to vote for Biden.

Would be nice if there were better choices.

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topic was destined for a terrible endgame post

Endgame posted...

us progressives

Lmao great joke

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Disliking both sides is fine. Hell, thinking both sides in many areas are functionally interchangeable is fine.

The problem is the entire extent of your political thought being "both sides are bad" and using that as an excuse to do nothing

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