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Jerry_Hellyeah 09/10/20 8:26:51 AM #53:	Oh, but drinking the blood of Christ is all good? --- This is a cool sig <cite>Jerry_Hellyeah posted [p:944431986] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>Oh, but drinking the blood of Christ is all good? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teepan95 09/10/20 8:34:18 AM #54:	Their body, their choice End of discussion --- teep dumb as f*** fr - BatmanvonDoom I'm gonna pound a 400 lb woman just to prove teep wrong - NigerianKnight <cite>teepan95 posted [p:944432140] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>Their body, their choice End of discussion</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrMallard 09/10/20 9:00:59 AM #55:	Medical interference is ultimately an aspect of religious freedom that I agree with, because even if it's stupid, it is ultimately a personal decision based on faith that impacts the individual and their feelings - and no-one else's. I think it's harmful and short-sighted, and I feel bad for people who feel that the color of their soul is more important than a procedure that lets them live their life for a little longer. "Medicine bad" is such a shitty, backwards idea, and having that idea perpetuated by religion is extremely unethical. I think the world would be better off without these stupid ideas, but ultimately if this sort of thing conflicts with someone's personal faith - or personal wishes as a whole - they should be given the bare minimum amount of respect and they shouldn't be treated in a way that they disagree with. One notable aversion to this idea is Scientology's aversion to psychiatry, because Scientology is a cult and they shouldn't be tax exempt. Fuck Scientology. I also have misgivings for spinoff religions from Christianity like Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses, but at the end of the day, as long as they aren't hurting anyone, whatever. That's what they chose. I don't agree with TC's grandma's decision, but it's that choice that should ultimately be protected under religious freedoms. That's a personal decision, for right or wrong, and that decision needs to be honoured. --- There are no pan-asian supermarkets down in hell, so you can't buy Golden Boy peanuts. Now Playing: Skyrim, Hand of Fate 2 <cite>MrMallard posted [p:944432728] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>Medical interference is ultimately an aspect of religious freedom that I agree with, because even if it's stupid, it is ultimately a personal decision based on faith that impacts the individual and their feelings - and no-one else's. I think it's harmful and short-sighted, and I feel bad for people who feel that the color of their soul is more important than a procedure that lets them live their life for a little longer. "Medicine bad" is such a shitty, backwards idea, and having that idea perpetuated by religion is extremely unethical. I think the world would be better off without these stupid ideas, but ultimately if this sort of thing conflicts with someone's personal faith - or personal wishes as a whole - they should be given the bare minimum amount of respect and they shouldn't be treated in a way that they disagree with. One notable aversion to this idea is Scientology's aversion to psychiatry, because Scientology is a cult and they shouldn't be tax exempt. Fuck Scientology. I also have misgivings for spinoff religions from Christianity like Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses, but at the end of the day, as long as they aren't hurting anyone, whatever. That's what they chose. I don't agree with TC's grandma's decision, but it's that choice that should ultimately be protected under religious freedoms. That's a personal decision, for right or wrong, and that decision needs to be honoured. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Serious Cat 09/10/20 9:29:34 AM #56:	Jerry_Hellyeah posted... Oh, but drinking the blood of Christ is all good? Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in transubstantiation. --- I are Serious Cat This is serious thread <cite>Serious Cat posted [p:944433436] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>Jerry_Hellyeah posted... </cite> <quote>Oh, but drinking the blood of Christ is all good?</quote>Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in transubstantiation. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WrkHrdPlayHrdr 09/10/20 9:34:53 AM #57:	Yeah I dunno man. I support anyone's right to refuse any treatment they don't want. But I never got the whole JW and no blood transfusion thing. But I am not a JW so I guess i'm not expected to. --- "I also advised their executives through e-mail that further behavior could result in a cyber attack[...]" https://imgur.com/cSxy3Od <cite>WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted [p:944433580] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I dunno man. I support anyone's right to refuse any treatment they don't want. But I never got the whole JW and no blood transfusion thing. But I am not a JW so I guess i'm not expected to. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 09/10/20 9:38:28 AM #58:	Firewerx posted... Wanting to take revenge on a hospital for saving your life by hurting it financially seems perverse. If it was any country that didn't bankrupt people for needing medical aid I would agree. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:IfGodCouldDie IGN:SuperPattyCakes FC: SW-1615-6159-5504 Boop Trooper reporting for duty. <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:944433689] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>Firewerx posted... </cite> <quote>Wanting to take revenge on a hospital for saving your life by hurting it financially seems perverse.</quote>If it was any country that didn't bankrupt people for needing medical aid I would agree. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 09/10/20 9:41:53 AM #59:	Nazanir posted... So basically, doctors should let people die? If that's what the person wants, yes. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:IfGodCouldDie IGN:SuperPattyCakes FC: SW-1615-6159-5504 Boop Trooper reporting for duty. <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:944433778] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>Nazanir posted... </cite> <quote>So basically, doctors should let people die?</quote>If that's what the person wants, yes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IfGodCouldDie 09/10/20 9:44:13 AM #60:	teepan95 posted... Their body, their choice End of discussion This. --- Mind post. XBL:Cyanide Sucker PSN:IfGodCouldDie IGN:SuperPattyCakes FC: SW-1615-6159-5504 Boop Trooper reporting for duty. <cite>IfGodCouldDie posted [p:944433842] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>teepan95 posted... </cite> <quote>Their body, their choice End of discussion</quote>This. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenlaar 09/10/20 10:06:07 AM #61:	MyTummyHurt posted... Have fun getting sued into oblivion for violating clearly laid out directives then. I didn't say that the doctors should have ignored the directive, I said it's a shame that the directive existed to begin with because of people letting religious beliefs take the place of logical and rational thought. <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:944434420] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>MyTummyHurt posted... </cite> <quote>Have fun getting sued into oblivion for violating clearly laid out directives then.</quote>I didn't say that the doctors should have ignored the directive, I said it's a shame that the directive existed to begin with because of people letting religious beliefs take the place of logical and rational thought. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hitokoriX 09/10/20 10:16:57 AM #62:	I just wanna point out that the poor lady can't even communicate her wishes -- so her overall quality of life may be low. And to be honest, a lot of you people are just being flat out nasty, and a good portion of you wouldn't say that kinda stuff to a family member's face. --- Would you follow a blind man? I would if I was in the dark <cite>hitokoriX posted [p:944434680] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>I just wanna point out that the poor lady can't even communicate her wishes -- so her overall quality of life may be low. And to be honest, a lot of you people are just being flat out nasty, and a good portion of you wouldn't say that kinda stuff to a family member's face. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceAttorneyist 09/10/20 10:20:13 AM #63:	It's strange to me how people are debating about this, as to me this is a black and white issue. I'm not remotely religious but it's obvious the hospital is in the wrong. That should be clear no matter what your beliefs are. It would be disrespectful to your grandma not to sue. --- (... D-Do I really inspire this sort of frothing desire from the female masses?) <cite>AceAttorneyist posted [p:944434758] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>It's strange to me how people are debating about this, as to me this is a black and white issue. I'm not remotely religious but it's obvious the hospital is in the wrong. That should be clear no matter what your beliefs are. It would be disrespectful to your grandma not to sue. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pikachupwnage 09/10/20 10:30:47 AM #64:	eston posted... People have a right to decide which medical procedures they wish to receive. She had a long-standing directive not to perform a blood transfusion and it doesn't matter what her reasoning is. You absolutely should be pursuing legal action If she was a minor I would strongly disagree and parents should not be allowed to let a child die because of religious beliefs. --- My Mario Maker 2 Maker ID is J2K-RFD-K4G Even In sigs FOE! http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/665/328/d75.gif <cite>pikachupwnage posted [p:944435077] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>eston posted... </cite> <quote>People have a right to decide which medical procedures they wish to receive. She had a long-standing directive not to perform a blood transfusion and it doesn't matter what her reasoning is. You absolutely should be pursuing legal action</quote> If she was a minor I would strongly disagree and parents should not be allowed to let a child die because of religious beliefs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 09/10/20 11:00:19 AM #65:	pikachupwnage posted... If she was a minor I would strongly disagree and parents should not be allowed to let a child die because of religious beliefs. There are many cases where Hospitals have successfully gone to court to allow them to treat children in these cases. Or even to not continue needless treatment, when is just making the child suffer. Religious reasons 100% should be ignored when in regards to a child, as there life and welfare is more important than whatever belief they have. When they are an adult they are free to be a moron and let themselves die if they want though. --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:944436050] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>pikachupwnage posted... </cite> <quote>If she was a minor I would strongly disagree and parents should not be allowed to let a child die because of religious beliefs.</quote>There are many cases where Hospitals have successfully gone to court to allow them to treat children in these cases. Or even to not continue needless treatment, when is just making the child suffer. Religious reasons 100% should be ignored when in regards to a child, as there life and welfare is more important than whatever belief they have. When they are an adult they are free to be a moron and let themselves die if they want though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MyTummyHurt 09/10/20 11:16:49 AM #67:	Tenlaar posted... I didn't say that the doctors should have ignored the directive, I said it's a shame that the directive existed to begin with because of people letting religious beliefs take the place of logical and rational thought. If its what the patient want then so be it, especially at OPs grandmothers age. Really isnt your call to make or shame about it. Get off your pseudo-intellectual high horse. --- My Tummy Hurt <cite>MyTummyHurt posted [p:944436567] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>Tenlaar posted...</cite> <quote> I didn't say that the doctors should have ignored the directive, I said it's a shame that the directive existed to begin with because of people letting religious beliefs take the place of logical and rational thought. </quote> If its what the patient want then so be it, especially at OPs grandmothers age. Really isnt your call to make or shame about it. Get off your pseudo-intellectual high horse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenlaar 09/10/20 11:18:16 AM #68:	MyTummyHurt posted... If its what the patient want then so be it, especially at OPs grandmothers age. Really isnt your call to make or shame about it. Get off your pseudo-intellectual high horse. I agree with "if that's what she wants then so be it." But no, I will never stop calling out the ridiculous bullshit that people do in the name of fairy tales. <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:944436617] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>MyTummyHurt posted... </cite> <quote>If its what the patient want then so be it, especially at OPs grandmothers age. Really isnt your call to make or shame about it. Get off your pseudo-intellectual high horse.</quote>I agree with "if that's what she wants then so be it." But no, I will never stop calling out the ridiculous bullshit that people do in the name of fairy tales. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceAttorneyist 09/10/20 12:40:27 PM #69:	Tenlaar posted... I agree with "if that's what she wants then so be it." But no, I will never stop calling out the ridiculous bullshit that people do in the name of fairy tales. It says much more about yourself than others that you refuse to respect people. --- (... D-Do I really inspire this sort of frothing desire from the female masses?) <cite>AceAttorneyist posted [p:944439738] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>Tenlaar posted... </cite> <quote>I agree with "if that's what she wants then so be it." But no, I will never stop calling out the ridiculous bullshit that people do in the name of fairy tales.</quote> It says much more about yourself than others that you refuse to respect people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenlaar 09/10/20 12:43:30 PM #70:	AceAttorneyist posted... It says much more about yourself than others that you refuse to respect people. Respecting people does not mean acting like everything that they believe is okay or right. <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:944439853] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>AceAttorneyist posted... </cite> <quote>It says much more about yourself than others that you refuse to respect people.</quote>Respecting people does not mean acting like everything that they believe is okay or right. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 09/10/20 12:46:58 PM #71:	Sorry man. My dad was adamantly against chemotherapy and they convinced us to put him through it only to find out later that the doctor actually never thought it would help him anyway and was just doing it for his own research purposes. Put my dad through a couple months of hell for no good reason. --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more. Otherwise stay small and average." ~Austin_Era_II <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:944439984] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>Sorry man. My dad was adamantly against chemotherapy and they convinced us to put him through it only to find out later that the doctor actually never thought it would help him anyway and was just doing it for his own research purposes. Put my dad through a couple months of hell for no good reason. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 09/10/20 12:49:46 PM #72:	DeadBankerDream posted... Do you ever stop up and ask yourself, "Should I try not to be the worst human possible today?", Duncan? Because you should. You see this is why I'm not a doctor. Because I would take my oath seriously and not let a single person die under my watch. Even if they want to. --- Hello I'm Duncan, I like Video Games and comedies let's be friends <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:944440113] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>DeadBankerDream posted...</cite> <quote> Do you ever stop up and ask yourself, "Should I try not to be the worst human possible today?", Duncan? Because you should.</quote> You see this is why I'm not a doctor. Because I would take my oath seriously and not let a single person die under my watch. Even if they want to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
-Unowninator- 09/10/20 12:53:13 PM #73:	Shablagoo posted... Sorry man. My dad was adamantly against chemotherapy and they convinced us to put him through it only to find out later that the doctor actually never thought it would help him anyway and was just doing it for his own research purposes. Put my dad through a couple months of hell for no good reason. That's awful --- ''Think of what it would mean if we had a real president, not just somebody who plays one on TV.'' ~ Hillary Clinton Join the unknown: http://goo.gl/S75cmn <cite>-Unowninator- posted [p:944440296] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted...</cite> <quote>Sorry man. My dad was adamantly against chemotherapy and they convinced us to put him through it only to find out later that the doctor actually never thought it would help him anyway and was just doing it for his own research purposes. Put my dad through a couple months of hell for no good reason. </quote> That's awful</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceAttorneyist 09/10/20 12:53:48 PM #74:	Tenlaar posted... Respecting people does not mean acting like everything that they believe is okay or right. On the contrary, everything they believe is okay or right if it doesn't affect anyone besides themselves. Not that this applies to children, teenagers, and many young adults, but it definitely applies to an 80 year old woman. --- (... D-Do I really inspire this sort of frothing desire from the female masses?) <cite>AceAttorneyist posted [p:944440322] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>Tenlaar posted... </cite> <quote>Respecting people does not mean acting like everything that they believe is okay or right.</quote> On the contrary, everything they believe is okay or right if it doesn't affect anyone besides themselves. Not that this applies to children, teenagers, and many young adults, but it definitely applies to an 80 year old woman. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teepan95 09/10/20 12:55:34 PM #75:	Duncanwii posted... DeadBankerDream posted... Do you ever stop up and ask yourself, "Should I try not to be the worst human possible today?", Duncan? Because you should. You see this is why I'm not a doctor. Because I would take my oath seriously and not let a single person die under my watch. Even if they want to. I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm. I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug. You'd be voiding these parts of your oath if you did that though --- teep dumb as f*** fr - BatmanvonDoom I'm gonna pound a 400 lb woman just to prove teep wrong - NigerianKnight <cite>teepan95 posted [p:944440400] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote>DeadBankerDream posted...</cite> <quote> Do you ever stop up and ask yourself, "Should I try not to be the worst human possible today?", Duncan? Because you should.</quote> You see this is why I'm not a doctor. Because I would take my oath seriously and not let a single person die under my watch. Even if they want to.</quote> <quote>I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm. I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.</quote> You'd be voiding these parts of your oath if you did that though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 09/10/20 12:56:35 PM #76:	My personal opinion is that blood is rare enough that if someone wants to die rather than get blood I say let them. \_()_/ --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:944440433] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>My personal opinion is that blood is rare enough that if someone wants to die rather than get blood I say let them. \_()_/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenlaar 09/10/20 12:59:12 PM #77:	AceAttorneyist posted... On the contrary, everything they believe is okay or right if it doesn't affect anyone besides themselves. Nah, this is an overly simplistic view that doesn't reflect reality. <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:944440549] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>AceAttorneyist posted... </cite> <quote>On the contrary, everything they believe is okay or right if it doesn't affect anyone besides themselves.</quote>Nah, this is an overly simplistic view that doesn't reflect reality. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 09/10/20 1:02:48 PM #78:	-Unowninator- posted... That's awful Yeah, and his mind was largely gone by that point (like extreme short-term memory loss) so he barely understood what he was consenting to. Thankfully, at least, he had about 6 months after getting off the chemo where he didnt have to suffer through it. (Though of course he was suffering through lots of other pain.) --- "If you wanna grow your business you need to exploit more. Otherwise stay small and average." ~Austin_Era_II <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:944440705] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>-Unowninator- posted... </cite> <quote>That's awful</quote> Yeah, and his mind was largely gone by that point (like extreme short-term memory loss) so he barely understood what he was consenting to. Thankfully, at least, he had about 6 months after getting off the chemo where he didnt have to suffer through it. (Though of course he was suffering through lots of other pain.) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 09/10/20 1:28:46 PM #79:	AceAttorneyist posted... On the contrary, everything they believe is okay or right if it doesn't affect anyone besides themselves. Not that this applies to children, teenagers, and many young adults, but it definitely applies to an 80 year old woman. I'm pretty sure stupid opinions are stupid whether or not they turn into actions hurting other people. --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:944441651] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote> AceAttorneyist posted... </cite> <quote>On the contrary, everything they believe is okay or right if it doesn't affect anyone besides themselves. Not that this applies to children, teenagers, and many young adults, but it definitely applies to an 80 year old woman.</quote>I'm pretty sure stupid opinions are stupid whether or not they turn into actions hurting other people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AceAttorneyist 09/10/20 2:36:39 PM #80:	hockeybub89 posted... I'm pretty sure stupid opinions are stupid whether or not they turn into actions hurting other people. And you would be wrong, just for the fact that the only perspective of "right and wrong" that matters in a case like this is that of the patient. Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but unfortunately it doesn't mean anything. Now if this was a situation like refusing vaccination then your opinion absolutely would mean something, as that affects other people. --- (... D-Do I really inspire this sort of frothing desire from the female masses?) <cite>AceAttorneyist posted [p:944444403] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>hockeybub89 posted... </cite> <quote>I'm pretty sure stupid opinions are stupid whether or not they turn into actions hurting other people.</quote> And you would be wrong, just for the fact that the only perspective of "right and wrong" that matters in a case like this is that of the patient. Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but unfortunately it doesn't mean anything. Now if this was a situation like refusing vaccination then your opinion absolutely would mean something, as that affects other people. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EndOfZangoose 09/10/20 2:43:09 PM #81:	Duncanwii posted... You see this is why I'm not a doctor. Because I would take my oath seriously and not let a single person die under my watch. Even if they want to. Youre not a doctor because you dont have the capacity to be one. <cite>EndOfZangoose posted [p:944444663] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted... </cite> <quote>You see this is why I'm not a doctor. Because I would take my oath seriously and not let a single person die under my watch. Even if they want to.</quote>Youre not a doctor because you dont have the capacity to be one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MyTummyHurt 09/10/20 6:39:27 PM #82:	Tenlaar posted... I agree with "if that's what she wants then so be it." But no, I will never stop calling out the ridiculous bullshit that people do in the name of fairy tales. Okay edgelord Duncanwii posted... You see this is why I'm not a doctor. Because I would take my oath seriously and not let a single person die under my watch. Even if they want to. Then youd be a terrible doctor --- My Tummy Hurt <cite>MyTummyHurt posted [p:944453946] in The hospit... [t:78964374]...</cite> <quote>Tenlaar posted...</cite> <quote> I agree with "if that's what she wants then so be it." But no, I will never stop calling out the ridiculous bullshit that people do in the name of fairy tales. </quote> Okay edgelord Duncanwii posted...</cite> <quote> You see this is why I'm not a doctor. Because I would take my oath seriously and not let a single person die under my watch. Even if they want to.</quote> Then youd be a terrible doctor</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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