Current Events > Gonna be honest, PS4 made me reevaluate the PC Master race discussion

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Putting aside how fundamentally gooberish it is to attach your personality to a type of hardware, I dunno. I reckon this is just kind of better than gaming on a PC. It does the job it's supposed to do extremely well with no hiccups because it has one purpose. Unlike my PC, which does a whole bunch of jobs quite well, but is a little less robust at each of them.

Typical PC experience

• power on
• bitlocker password
• user account password
• load steam
• load game
• (optional) tweak settings
• (intermittent) performance issues, unexpected failures

Typical PS4 experience

• press power button
• play game

Is all that extra faff worth it for some potentially better looking textures? I dunno.

The main thing that fucking sucks though is how expensive PS4 games are. That's a bummer.

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Can't tell if this topic is legit or sarcasm
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Ohhh boy.

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I wish PC people would stop with the whole master race thing.

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spikethedevil posted...

I wish PC people would stop with the whole master race thing.

it's weird

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spikethedevil posted...

I wish PC people would stop with the whole master race thing.

It's only anti-PC people who use it and they only use it as a scapegoat because there is no actual pragmatic argument for the consoles being better

So instead they create something they can attack
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UnfairRepresent posted...

It's only anti-PC people who use it and they only use it as a scapegoat because there is no actual pragmatic argument for the consoles being better

So instead they create something they can attack

uh what lol

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It's almost like the last group to use master race were pure evil to funnily enough people get pissed off when people use it to describe themselves even when it's being used ironically.... oh it's UR, carry on then.

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spikethedevil posted...

It's almost like the last group to use master race were pure evil to funnily enough people get pissed off when people use it to describe themselves even when it's being used ironically.... oh it's UR, carry on then.

I've got that guy blocked so I don't know what he said, lol

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PC: Pay for internet to use however you want, play games freely using said internet
Console: Pay for internet, connect through console, have to pay console manufacturer for permission to even play online games even if they don't own them and they are peer-to-peer.

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Vyrulisse posted...

PC: Pay for internet to use however you want, play games freely using said internet
Console: Pay for internet, connect through console, have to pay console manufacturer for permission to even play online games even if they don't own them and they are peer-to-peer.

Is this some bizarro world universe where I don't already have an internet connection or something and I just have to get one solely to play games on, lol

Also I don't tend to like online games anyway so that colours my opinion about this. But with Switch and PS4 I haven't felt it's been a problem.

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You don't need to put a bitlocker and a user account password on your PC.

PC gaming can be whatever you want it to be. If that doesn't interest you that's fine.

If you want to recreate the console experience just;
- Remove passwords on boot
- Turn on 'Boot Steam on start up' and 'Enter Big Picture Mode on start up' in Steam options

Takes one time to do it and you've tailored your PC to function like a console. Again if that's still too much that's fine but no need to act like everyone is putting in a bitlocker password on their gaming PC.

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pinky0926 posted...

Typical PC experience

power on
bitlocker password
user account password
load steam
load game
(optional) tweak settings
(intermittent) performance issues, unexpected failures

bitlocker key is automatic with a tpm chip, which every pc made in the past like 15 years has
user account password is just facial recognition or a 4 digit pin code which takes 2 10ths of a second to enter
steam loads automatically
dont have to tweak any settings
consoles have a higher intermittent failure rate than pcs
with consoles you still have to sign into your account, launch the game, disable online mode etc....

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Darmik posted...

You don't need to put a bitlocker and a user account password on your PC.

PC gaming can be whatever you want it to be. If that doesn't interest you that's fine.

If you want to recreate the console experience just;
- Remove passwords on boot
- Turn on 'Boot Steam on start up' and 'Enter Big Picture Mode on start up'

Takes one time to do it and you've tailored your PC to function like a console. Again if that's still too much that's fine but no need to act like everyone is putting in a bitlocker password on their gaming PC.

If I tailor my PC to function exactly like a console, it starts being a less useful home PC. That's kind of the point I'm making. PCs are more flexible in the amount of things they do, but if you want it to be something that does all of the things, it's probably going to do all of those things slightly less well.

So here's the point. I want a home computer that is secured and optimised for using as a work/home computer. For that I absolutely need it to have bitlocker, to turn off at night, to have user account controls, to not start up with steam, etc. This means it's going to be less convenient as a games console.

I mean at that point, it's much of a muchness to me. I could rig a PC to function exactly like a console...or I could just buy a console...much less time/fiddling involved in option 2.

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Rika_Furude posted...

dont have to tweak any settings
consoles have a higher intermittent failure rate than pcs
with consoles you still have to sign into your account, launch the game, disable online mode etc....

hey look rika is lying, again. pickachu.jpeg

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Eh im not a PC gamer but if we're going to add all of the shitty steps from start up to gaming on PC then you should do that for PS4 as well. It's becoming more frequent that I'm logging onto my PS4 and needing to update a game, or needing to delete an old game to be able to download an update for a game. Or dealing with some PSN bullshit.

Never have any of those issues with the Switch though. That truly is a pick up and play system.
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pinky0926 posted...

If I tailor my PC to function exactly like a console, it starts functioning like a home PC less well. That's kind of the point I'm making. PCs are more flexible in the amount of things they do, but if you want it to be something that does all of the things, it's probably going to do all of those things slightly less well.

So here's the point. I want a home computer that is secured and optimised for using as a work/home computer. For that I absolutely need it to have bitlocker, to turn off at night, to have user account controls, to not start up with steam, etc. This means it's going to be less convenient as a games console.

I mean at that point, it's much of a muchness to me. I could rig a PC to function exactly like a console...or I could just buy a console...much less time/fiddling involved in option 2.

Sure. But some people value that flexibility as opposed to having no options at all. If you want an all around computer it can be that. If you want a PC dedicated to being one thing it can do that as well. If I want to crank up framerates and resolutions I have options for that on PC games while I don't on PS4 because it's a closed platform. They're inherently different products but there isn't anything the PS4 can do that the PC can't outside of playing games that aren't on PC. Thanks to that flexibility there's numerous things the PC can do that the PS4 cannot. You can't use a PS4 for work.

If you want a simple device that can do one thing that's fine. Some people still prefer MP3 players to phones.

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I Like Toast posted...

hey look rika is lying, again. pickachu.jpeg

i literally launched a game today and i didnt have to tweak any settings.

RROD alone brings console failure rates higher than gaming PCs

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Smashingpmkns posted...

Eh im not a PC gamer but if we're going to add all of the shitty steps from start up to gaming on PC then you should do that for PS4 as well. It's becoming more frequent that I'm logging onto my PS4 and needing to update a game, or needing to delete an old game to be able to download an update for a game. Or dealing with some PSN bullshit.

Never have any of those issues with the Switch though. That truly is a pick up and play system.

Fair enough. I did find that set up quite annoying on PS4, although updates seem optional unless you're playing online, no?

For most things, it's 3 seconds from pressing the button to being in the game exactly where I left off the day before or week before. I quite like that.

A reminder to the guys here that are arguing these points, I have a gaming PC, I play it. I just think overall the PS4 experience is easier (even if only in small, potentially redundant ways), which I find overall more pleasant.


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i bet the pro-console posters itt hate ios because its not "open" like android

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The downsides of PC gaming are small when you consider emulation and the fact that you don't have to worry about backwards compatibility. I barely drew a distinction between late 7th and 8th gen games because of that.

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Darmik posted...

Sure. But some people value that flexibility as opposed to having no options at all. If you want an all around computer it can be that. If you want a PC dedicated to being one thing it can do that as well. If I want to crank up framerates and resolutions I have options for that on PC games while I don't on PS4 because it's a closed platform. They're inherently different products but there isn't anything the PS4 can do that the PC can't outside of playing games that aren't on PC. Thanks to that flexibility there's numerous things the PC can do that the PS4 cannot. You can't use a PS4 for work.

If you want a simple device that can do one thing that's fine. Some people still prefer MP3 players to phones.

That's basically what it boils down to. I know my PC does more, and can play games with more power, but I also think that inherently invites problems and inconsistencies, as any more complex system will do. Not insurmountable problems or anything, but they exist.

The MP3 player is basically the argument I'm making. A device tailor made for one function is and should do that function better than a all-in-one smart device that does a number of things. For me, "better" simply means with less steps and less unpredictability. I'll trade up the potentially higher performance for that.


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Boot game
Apply desired preset graphics level
Play

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Rika_Furude posted...

i bet the pro-console posters itt hate ios because its not "open" like android

Wait, wouldn't they like it because of that?

Rika_Furude posted...

i literally launched a game today and i didnt have to tweak any settings.

PC confirmed to have only 1 game. Master race in shambles!

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coh posted...

Wait, wouldn't they like it because of that?

im just pondering. theres more people who prefer consoles here than people who prefer pc
yet theres also more people here who prefer android than people who prefer ios

just seems contradictory to me since console owners should align more with apple

I Like Toast posted...

PC confirmed to have only 1 game. Master race in shambles!

1 10/10 game released a week you mean

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pinky0926 posted...

That's basically what it boils down to. I know my PC does more, and can play games with more power, but I also think that inherently invites problems and inconsistencies, as any more complex system will do. Not insurmountable problems or anything, but they exist.

The MP3 player is basically the argument I'm making. A device tailor made for one function is and should do that function better than a all-in-one smart device that does a number of things. For me, "better" simply means with less steps and less unpredictability. I'll trade up the potentially higher performance for that.

I get it. Like I take advantage of Steam In-Home streaming and for some reason the triggers in Oddworld New n Tasty didn't work. And it's like if I had this on Xbox I wouldn't have this issue.

But then there's stuff like me playing Watch Dogs 2 on a fancy Xbox One X but it's stuck at 900p and looks like a dog's breakfast. Gave me headaches.

So I'm constantly conflicted with this. I would love PC gaming quality experience on consoles but it's not quite there yet even with the simplicity.

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Honestly, i feel PC + PS4/Switch is god-tier mode for gaming
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Typical PC gamer:

>$3000 build
>Plays only niche sprite based indie games that can run off a pregnancy test

pinky0926 posted...

Also I don't tend to like online games anyway so that colours my opinion about this. But with Switch and PS4 I haven't felt it's been a problem.

just like you don't seem to have a problem with needing online play, the same applies to PC people who don't want to pay for online play, don't want to turn on the console to yet another firmware update, the slow af download and install process etc.

console isn't really an mp3 player since it doesn't have only one function. for over a decade they've been marketed heavily as multimedia devices and they're completely bloated with barely functioning media options to the point where something like the ps3 xmb couldn't even operate smoothly.

toyota posted...

>Plays only niche sprite based indie games that can run off a pregnancy test

i understood that reference.

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