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MachineJaipur 08/30/20 11:15:15 AM #1:	Is this fair? Disband the MN police and start over This should be straight illegal This is unfair If you let someone use your car, then you suffer the consequences This is fair Is this fair? - Results (47 votes) Disband the MN police and start over 51.06% (24 votes) 24 This should be straight illegal 38.3% (18 votes) 18 This is unfair 4.26% (2 votes) 2 If you let someone use your car, then you suffer the consequences 2.13% (1 vote) 1 This is fair 4.26% (2 votes) 2 https://kstp.com/news/controversial-law-allows-police-to-seize-and-sell-cars-of-non-lawbreakers-keeping-the-proceeds-august-24-2020/5838303/ A controversial law that allows police in Minnesota to take and sell someone's personal property is coming under more scrutiny after the state patrol seized a woman's car during a drunk driving stop late last year, even though she was not driving or charged with a crime. Emma Dietrich recently paid thousands of dollars to buy back a 2013 Chevy Camaro that she had already paid off. "I really hate that I had to do a buy-back, but mentally, financially, emotionally, I can't handle this case being in limbo for maybe two more years," Dietrich said. Troopers seized Dietrich's car under Minnesota's forfeiture law that has allowed police agencies across the state to take close to 14,000 vehicles, generating nearly $10 million for those departments in just three years, according to a review of statewide data by 5 INVESTIGATES. However, that immense revenue stream is being increasingly challenged by several lawmakers and judges who question the fairness of the law which also allows police to take the vehicles of those who have never been charged or convicted of a crime. Doing the right thing? Dietrich, 22, said she thought she was "doing the right thing" when she chose not to get behind the wheel after having drinks with coworkers when she finished a shift at a local restaurant in December. "I didn't really feel comfortable driving home, so one of my coworkers was like, 'I can give you a ride home,'" Dietrich said. Dietrich says she did not know the coworker who took her keys had a prior DWI. She was in the passenger seat when a state trooper clocked her car at 118 miles per hour on I-94 in St. Paul. When the driver, Syrgeo Perez, 30, refused a breathalyzer, he was arrested on suspicion of DWI and troopers seized Dietrich's car using Minnesota's forfeiture law. About three out of four cars, trucks, and other vehicles seized by police in Minnesota between 2016 and 2018 were related to drunk driving offenses, based on data collected by the Office of the State Auditor. Police have often stated the goal of those seizures is to stop repeat offenders from driving, but 5 INVESTIGATES found vehicles are also taken from owners like Dietrich who have never been charged with driving while intoxicated (DWI). She says the State Patrol told her she was still being held responsible for her coworker's actions. *"That the right thing to do was to have a complete history of his driving infractions and to also give him a sobriety test. That is what they said I should have done," Dietrich said.* What fucking bullshit. I can see them not letting her drive since she was drunk and them towing it while they kept her in the drunk tank over night but to fucking seize and THEN MAKE HER BUY BACK HER OWN LEGAL PROPERTY? Minnesota needs to fire and ban their active police officers. The whole goddamned system is rotten to the fucking core. <cite>MachineJaipur posted [p:944000136] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote> Is this fair? Disband the MN police and start over This should be straight illegal This is unfair If you let someone use your car, then you suffer the consequences This is fair Vote View Results Is this fair? - Results (47 votes) Disband the MN police and start over 51.06% (24 votes) 24 This should be straight illegal 38.3% (18 votes) 18 This is unfair 4.26% (2 votes) 2 If you let someone use your car, then you suffer the consequences 2.13% (1 vote) 1 This is fair 4.26% (2 votes) 2 Show Voting Form https://kstp.com/news/controversial-law-allows-police-to-seize-and-sell-cars-of-non-lawbreakers-keeping-the-proceeds-august-24-2020/5838303/ <quote>A controversial law that allows police in Minnesota to take and sell someone's personal property is coming under more scrutiny after the state patrol seized a woman's car during a drunk driving stop late last year, even though she was not driving or charged with a crime. Emma Dietrich recently paid thousands of dollars to buy back a 2013 Chevy Camaro that she had already paid off. "I really hate that I had to do a buy-back, but mentally, financially, emotionally, I can't handle this case being in limbo for maybe two more years," Dietrich said. Troopers seized Dietrich's car under Minnesota's forfeiture law that has allowed police agencies across the state to take close to 14,000 vehicles, generating nearly $10 million for those departments in just three years, according to a review of statewide data by 5 INVESTIGATES. However, that immense revenue stream is being increasingly challenged by several lawmakers and judges who question the fairness of the law which also allows police to take the vehicles of those who have never been charged or convicted of a crime. Doing the right thing? Dietrich, 22, said she thought she was "doing the right thing" when she chose not to get behind the wheel after having drinks with coworkers when she finished a shift at a local restaurant in December. "I didn't really feel comfortable driving home, so one of my coworkers was like, 'I can give you a ride home,'" Dietrich said. Dietrich says she did not know the coworker who took her keys had a prior DWI. She was in the passenger seat when a state trooper clocked her car at 118 miles per hour on I-94 in St. Paul. When the driver, Syrgeo Perez, 30, refused a breathalyzer, he was arrested on suspicion of DWI and troopers seized Dietrich's car using Minnesota's forfeiture law. About three out of four cars, trucks, and other vehicles seized by police in Minnesota between 2016 and 2018 were related to drunk driving offenses, based on data collected by the Office of the State Auditor.</quote> <quote>Police have often stated the goal of those seizures is to stop repeat offenders from driving, but 5 INVESTIGATES found vehicles are also taken from owners like Dietrich who have never been charged with driving while intoxicated (DWI). She says the State Patrol told her she was still being held responsible for her coworker's actions. "That the right thing to do was to have a complete history of his driving infractions and to also give him a sobriety test. That is what they said I should have done," Dietrich said.</quote> What fucking bullshit. I can see them not letting her drive since she was drunk and them towing it while they kept her in the drunk tank over night but to fucking seize and THEN MAKE HER BUY BACK HER OWN LEGAL PROPERTY? Minnesota needs to fire and ban their active police officers. The whole goddamned system is rotten to the fucking core. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 08/30/20 11:18:40 AM #2:	that's a broken law obviously, but this article tries to hand wave away the fact she let a drunk guy driver her car... --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:944000241] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>that's a broken law obviously, but this article tries to hand wave away the fact she let a drunk guy driver her car... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nemu 08/30/20 11:20:19 AM #3:	Yeah, cops and property seizure/destruction are generally pretty BS. No idea about the case in the article seeing as it could easily be leaving out details. <cite>nemu posted [p:944000283] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>Yeah, cops and property seizure/destruction are generally pretty BS. No idea about the case in the article seeing as it could easily be leaving out details. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MachineJaipur 08/30/20 11:21:28 AM #4:	monkmith posted... that's a broken law obviously, but this article tries to hand wave away the fact she let a drunk guy driver her car... The article didn't say he was drunk though. Just that he had a prior conviction. Though refusing a breathalyzer is sus as hell. Though in some states refusing a breathalyzer is basically admittance of guilt for a DUI. He could have had a drink or two I guess. It also could have just been a routine DD checkpoint <cite>MachineJaipur posted [p:944000306] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>monkmith posted... </cite> <quote>that's a broken law obviously, but this article tries to hand wave away the fact she let a drunk guy driver her car...</quote>The article didn't say he was drunk though. Just that he had a prior conviction. Though refusing a breathalyzer is sus as hell. Though in some states refusing a breathalyzer is basically admittance of guilt for a DUI. He could have had a drink or two I guess. It also could have just been a routine DD checkpoint </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenlaar 08/30/20 11:24:25 AM #5:	MachineJaipur posted... It also could have just been a routine DD checkpoint Uhh... MachineJaipur posted... She was in the passenger seat when a state trooper clocked her car at 118 miles per hour on I-94 in St. Paul. <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:944000384] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>MachineJaipur posted... </cite> <quote>It also could have just been a routine DD checkpoint</quote> Uhh... MachineJaipur posted... </cite> <quote>She was in the passenger seat when a state trooper clocked her car at 118 miles per hour on I-94 in St. Paul.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 08/30/20 11:25:37 AM #6:	MachineJaipur posted... The article didn't say he was drunk though. Just that he had a prior conviction. Though refusing a breathalyzer is sus as hell. Though in some states refusing a breathalyzer is basically admittance of guilt for a DUI. He could have had a drink or two I guess. It also could have just been a routine DD checkpoint you get pulled for eratic driving, and you refuse a breathalyzer, its because you believe you're drunk. he got pulled going 118mph, that's reckless driving not a checkpoint. --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:944000405] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>MachineJaipur posted... </cite> <quote>The article didn't say he was drunk though. Just that he had a prior conviction. Though refusing a breathalyzer is sus as hell. Though in some states refusing a breathalyzer is basically admittance of guilt for a DUI. He could have had a drink or two I guess. It also could have just been a routine DD checkpoint</quote>you get pulled for eratic driving, and you refuse a breathalyzer, its because you believe you're drunk. he got pulled going 118mph, that's reckless driving not a checkpoint. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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uwnim 08/30/20 11:28:26 AM #8:	It should absolutely be illegal --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:944000467] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>It should absolutely be illegal </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MachineJaipur 08/30/20 11:30:01 AM #9:	monkmith posted... you get pulled for eratic driving, and you refuse a breathalyzer, its because you believe you're drunk. he got pulled going 118mph, that's reckless driving not a checkpoint. Oh yeah I wasn't connecting the two details in my head <cite>MachineJaipur posted [p:944000509] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>monkmith posted... </cite> <quote>you get pulled for eratic driving, and you refuse a breathalyzer, its because you believe you're drunk. he got pulled going 118mph, that's reckless driving not a checkpoint.</quote>Oh yeah I wasn't connecting the two details in my head </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 08/30/20 11:31:33 AM #10:	I bet she's not friends with the driver anymore.... maybe she couldn't tell how drunk he was cause of her own drunkness. and thought he was sober. but anyway, still bullshit though that they took her car. <cite>Zikten posted [p:944000555] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>I bet she's not friends with the driver anymore.... maybe she couldn't tell how drunk he was cause of her own drunkness. and thought he was sober. but anyway, still bullshit though that they took her car.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 08/30/20 11:32:16 AM #11:	MachineJaipur posted... Oh yeah I wasn't connecting the two details in my head that's fine. the article was written to get people to overlook those details. but they chose a pretty shit case to base the article around; this isn't the first time i've heard about this property seizure law and i'm sure there are other, better, cases to write about. --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:944000576] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>MachineJaipur posted... </cite> <quote>Oh yeah I wasn't connecting the two details in my head</quote>that's fine. the article was written to get people to overlook those details. but they chose a pretty shit case to base the article around; this isn't the first time i've heard about this property seizure law and i'm sure there are other, better, cases to write about. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MachineJaipur 08/30/20 4:49:58 PM #12:	monkmith posted... that's fine. the article was written to get people to overlook those details. but they chose a pretty shit case to base the article around; this isn't the first time i've heard about this property seizure law and i'm sure there are other, better, cases to write about. Even so, if he was drunk then that shouldn't the police carte blanche to literally steal your car and sell it <cite>MachineJaipur posted [p:944010700] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>monkmith posted... </cite> <quote>that's fine. the article was written to get people to overlook those details. but they chose a pretty shit case to base the article around; this isn't the first time i've heard about this property seizure law and i'm sure there are other, better, cases to write about.</quote>Even so, if he was drunk then that shouldn't the police carte blanche to literally steal your car and sell it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 08/30/20 4:51:36 PM #13:	When a citizen does it, it's murder, theft or what have you. When a police does it, it's "unavoidable paid leave" or "recouping assets used on taking your property" --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:944010769] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>When a citizen does it, it's murder, theft or what have you. When a police does it, it's "unavoidable paid leave" or "recouping assets used on taking your property" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
skermac 08/30/20 4:51:44 PM #14:	People that can afford an attorney have no problems --- To the edge of the universe and back, endure and survive <cite>skermac posted [p:944010775] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>People that can afford an attorney have no problems </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MachineJaipur 08/30/20 4:55:09 PM #16:	skermac posted... People that can afford an attorney have no problems This is not how the system was intended though. [LFAQs-redacted-quote] Did you obtain this goat legally or did you obtain this goat through civil forfeiture? <cite>MachineJaipur posted [p:944010917] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>skermac posted... </cite> <quote>People that can afford an attorney have no problems</quote> This is not how the system was intended though. <cite>[LFAQs-redacted-quote]</cite> Did you obtain this goat legally or did you obtain this goat through civil forfeiture? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 08/30/20 4:56:59 PM #17:	MachineJaipur posted... This is not how the system was intended though. You say that, but it's rampant throughout many western justice systems. Being rich means you don't get as punished as much, as fine's can be irrelevant and you can pay better lawyers to get out of punishments others wouldn't. --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:944010982] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>MachineJaipur posted... </cite> <quote>This is not how the system was intended though.</quote>You say that, but it's rampant throughout many western justice systems. Being rich means you don't get as punished as much, as fine's can be irrelevant and you can pay better lawyers to get out of punishments others wouldn't. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gobstoppers12 08/30/20 4:58:29 PM #18:	MachineJaipur posted... She was in the passenger seat when a state trooper clocked her car at 118 miles per hour on I-94 in St. Paul. UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM bro, what the fuck? --- I write Naruto Fanfiction. But I am definitely not a furry. <cite>Gobstoppers12 posted [p:944011046] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>MachineJaipur posted... </cite> <quote>She was in the passenger seat when a state trooper clocked her car at 118 miles per hour on I-94 in St. Paul.</quote>UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM bro, what the fuck? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TommyG663513 08/30/20 5:04:17 PM #19:	Civil forfeiture is basically giving the police every incentive to be massively corrupt --- just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156 <cite>TommyG663513 posted [p:944011260] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>Civil forfeiture is basically giving the police every incentive to be massively corrupt </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kastrada 08/30/20 5:04:57 PM #20:	This was years ago and somewhat related. I remember reading a story of some kid and his grandmother (?) going to a police auction to buy his first car. The car they won was confiscated during a drug bust. Anyway, he's driving home after work and gets pulled over. Police dogs end up finding some drugs hidden inside the car that the cops didn't recover prior to auctioning it off. Kid got arrested and not sure what happened after that. --- PoW '09 Topic of the Year Co-Winners (Rada and Texy) FFD <cite>Kastrada posted [p:944011292] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>This was years ago and somewhat related. I remember reading a story of some kid and his grandmother (?) going to a police auction to buy his first car. The car they won was confiscated during a drug bust. Anyway, he's driving home after work and gets pulled over. Police dogs end up finding some drugs hidden inside the car that the cops didn't recover prior to auctioning it off. Kid got arrested and not sure what happened after that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Popo 08/30/20 5:05:45 PM #21:	Funkydog posted... You say that, but it's rampant throughout many western justice systems. Being rich means you don't get as punished as much, as fine's can be irrelevant and you can pay better lawyers to get out of punishments others wouldn't. I stupidly got a large speeding ticket about 3 years ago, and it was fast enough to be a misdemeanor on my record. Id been told that an attorney could argue the charge down to a normal speeding ticket. Luckily, my mom has a cousin (who Id never met) who is an attorney, so she asked if he could help me out. We went to court together, and it was a situation where they had like 20 other people with speeding tickets were there, and we all just went up when our name was called. It... was pretty fucking stupid. Basically, if you just had an attorney with you, the charge was lessened. If you didnt, then sucks to be you... full charges remain in place. I cant understand for the life of me why a system like that is in place. If you have a connection or enough money to afford this person to stand beside you, then your charge is less. Nothing more mattered. WTF. --- Live action Hungry Hungry Hippos though, now that was a sport. ~Aeon Azuran <cite>The Popo posted [p:944011325] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>Funkydog posted... </cite> <quote>You say that, but it's rampant throughout many western justice systems. Being rich means you don't get as punished as much, as fine's can be irrelevant and you can pay better lawyers to get out of punishments others wouldn't.</quote> I stupidly got a large speeding ticket about 3 years ago, and it was fast enough to be a misdemeanor on my record. Id been told that an attorney could argue the charge down to a normal speeding ticket. Luckily, my mom has a cousin (who Id never met) who is an attorney, so she asked if he could help me out. We went to court together, and it was a situation where they had like 20 other people with speeding tickets were there, and we all just went up when our name was called. It... was pretty fucking stupid. Basically, if you just had an attorney with you, the charge was lessened. If you didnt, then sucks to be you... full charges remain in place. I cant understand for the life of me why a system like that is in place. If you have a connection or enough money to afford this person to stand beside you, then your charge is less. Nothing more mattered. WTF. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Choco 08/30/20 5:06:29 PM #22:	land of the free --- http://error1355.com/ce/Choco.html <cite>Choco posted [p:944011349] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>land of the free </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Poop2 08/30/20 5:06:49 PM #23:	Seems like yet another law to make people hate police <cite>Poop2 posted [p:944011360] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>Seems like yet another law to make people hate police </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HighOnSolar 08/30/20 5:10:51 PM #24:	imagine volunteering to dd for somebody and hitting 120 in their car on the way back jesus --- Surf <cite>HighOnSolar posted [p:944011509] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>imagine volunteering to dd for somebody and hitting 120 in their car on the way back jesus </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 08/30/20 5:21:36 PM #25:	MachineJaipur posted... What fucking bullshit. I can see them not letting her drive since she was drunk and them towing it while they kept her in the drunk tank over night but to fucking seize and THEN MAKE HER BUY BACK HER OWN LEGAL PROPERTY? This has been a law in New York for years. It's not really a problem though because of the public transportation. Many people don't own cars in the first place. FWIW drunk driving dropped dramatically after that. It's kind of similar to those laws where they confiscate your gun if you use it in a crime, and a car is arguably just as dangerous as a gun. Though I don't agree with the law because unlike guns, cars do things besides kill. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:944011907] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>MachineJaipur posted... </cite> <quote>What fucking bullshit. I can see them not letting her drive since she was drunk and them towing it while they kept her in the drunk tank over night but to fucking seize and THEN MAKE HER BUY BACK HER OWN LEGAL PROPERTY?</quote> This has been a law in New York for years. It's not really a problem though because of the public transportation. Many people don't own cars in the first place. FWIW drunk driving dropped dramatically after that. It's kind of similar to those laws where they confiscate your gun if you use it in a crime, and a car is arguably just as dangerous as a gun. Though I don't agree with the law because unlike guns, cars do things besides kill. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Looked gf 08/30/20 5:26:04 PM #26:	wtf murica --- https://gfycat.com/chillynearfiddlercrab.gif <cite>Looked gf posted [p:944012059] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>wtf murica </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 08/30/20 5:26:34 PM #27:	Zikten posted... maybe she couldn't tell how drunk he was cause of her own drunkness. and thought he was sober. She sure as fuck knew bro was driving her car at 118 mph though --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:944012076] in Controvers... [t:78942950]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>maybe she couldn't tell how drunk he was cause of her own drunkness. and thought he was sober.</quote>She sure as fuck knew bro was driving her car at 118 mph though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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