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King_Hutton
08/27/20 3:33:04 PM
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Mark_DeRosa posted...
Last post for real, but clearly I can. Thats all you guys talk about lol
There is no way you can think you handle things well here

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08/27/20 3:34:17 PM
#53:


King_Hutton posted...
The victim mentality that so many cops have is downright scary.

To be fair, when saying ACAB is considered an acceptable thing to say, they have a right to consider themselves victims. Stereotyping a whole group of people and acting like it doesn't matter if they live or die is an awful thing and since they are currently victims of that, they are also victims. If somebody was upset about people who say things like f*** the police, and ACAB, and all of that, then yeah, they have a right to be upset and offended.

I think blue lives matter is a sort of tone deaf thing but I understand what they are trying to say. You can fight for justice but don't turn it back around fighting for lives that matter, and then say cops lives DON'T matter. Black lives matter, and white lives matter, and blue lives matter. "All Lives Matter" is a dumb movement because the point is not that all lives DON'T matter but that black lives matter too. In this case though, with the blue lives matter thing, I understand where they're coming from because people are legitimately acting like police lives DON'T matter. For proof, see the topic where some cops were shot and 80% of the people basically said screw them. So yeah, they have a legitimate grievance in this case.

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King_Hutton
08/27/20 3:35:23 PM
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To be fair, when saying ACAB is considered an acceptable thing to say, they have a right to consider themselves victims.
No, you dont get to put yourself into a situation where you have all the power and then claim to be a victim. That isnt how it works.

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Poop2
08/27/20 3:35:24 PM
#55:


FlameTurtle posted...
He says, on an alt
XD

dude is a hypocrite
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Lysandear
08/27/20 3:36:03 PM
#56:


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they have a right to consider themselves victims
buh
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sktgamer_13dude
08/27/20 3:36:45 PM
#57:


dp45 probably is a cop because hes fucking great at painting them and himself as a victim.

Quit your fucking bitching. You bring it upon yourself when all you do is lick the boot of every and any other cop you can while acting like youre the smartest person in the room.
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08/27/20 3:37:48 PM
#58:


King_Hutton posted...
No, you dont get to put yourself into a situation where you have all the power and then claim to be a victim. That isnt how it works.

I don't see what one thing has to do with the other?

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DoGCyN
08/27/20 3:38:40 PM
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Damn this topic blew up

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King_Hutton
08/27/20 3:38:42 PM
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I don't see what one thing has to do with the other?
You dont see how being the one with all of the power precludes a person from being a victim?

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08/27/20 3:38:51 PM
#61:


Lysandear posted...
buh

They are human beings. They are not just "cops". When they are being stereotyped and hated and threatened just because they're a police officer, and its considered acceptable to talk about how they should die, then yeah, they have a right to consider themselves victims.

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08/27/20 3:40:17 PM
#62:


King_Hutton posted...
You dont see how being the one with all of the power precludes a person from being a victim?

I don't think a police officer has "all of the power". They aren't the king of the world. A random police officer has power in certain situations but I don't see the correlation between that and the idea that they have "all the power" and thus can be hated at will.

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sktgamer_13dude
08/27/20 3:43:37 PM
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I think blue lives matter is a sort of tone deaf thing but I understand what they are trying to say.

Its not sort of tone deaf; its incredibly tone deaf.
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sktgamer_13dude
08/27/20 3:44:16 PM
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I don't think a police officer has "all of the power". They aren't the king of the world. A random police officer has power in certain situations but I don't see the correlation between that and the idea that they have "all the power" and thus can be hated at will.

Breonna Taylors killers have yet to be arrested.

It took days to arrest Chauvin.
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Lysandear
08/27/20 3:44:32 PM
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they have a right to consider themselves victims.
buh
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08/27/20 3:46:34 PM
#66:


sktgamer_13dude posted...
Its not sort of tone deaf; its incredibly tone deaf.

My point is, while "all lives matter" is sticking themselves into an issue that has nothing to do with them, "blue lives matter" are actually being attacked verbally right now, with threats of much more. I dont know how else to take something like ACAB which is cheered on and encouraged. How could anybody not feel like a victim of something like that? If somebody tried to make "all white people are bad" or "all black people are bad" or "all muslims are bad" etc etc etc into a slogan it would be rightfully attacked as incredibly bigoted, but its ok to say "all cops are bad".

I'm aware that there are bad cops that did bad things, and there are also good cops who do good things, just like every group of people ever. Short of "All terrorists are bad" or "all serial killers are bad" I dont think its ever ok to say "all [insert group of people here] are bad" so what can you expect them to do? Blue lives matter is born out of the hate coming at them by people right now, they're reacting naturally to the idea that it's ok to say things like that.

I agree though that one side is talking about murder so it is still kind of tone deaf, I just cant blame them for feeling like victims.

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King_Hutton
08/27/20 3:49:30 PM
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I don't think a police officer has "all of the power". They aren't the king of the world. A random police officer has power in certain situations but I don't see the correlation between that and the idea that they have "all the power" and thus can be hated at will.
Being hated due to your actions does not make someone a victim.

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08/27/20 3:49:37 PM
#68:


sktgamer_13dude posted...
Breonna Taylors killers have yet to be arrested.

It took days to arrest Chauvin.

Yeah and I definitely think that should change, and whatever laws are in place that let that happen should go, but that doesn't mean that all cops are bad. I assume all cops are not the ones making the laws

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08/27/20 3:50:30 PM
#69:


King_Hutton posted...
Being hated due to your actions does not make someone a victim.

Yeah. I agree. The problem is they aren't being hated for their actions, they're being hated for the actions of other people they have never met in their lives.

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King_Hutton
08/27/20 3:50:56 PM
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Yeah. I agree. The problem is they aren't being hated for their actions, they're being hated for the actions of other people they have never met in their lives.
Do you think people are forced to become police?

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08/27/20 3:53:45 PM
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King_Hutton posted...
Do you think people are forced to become police?

I don't get what one thing has to do with the other. Why is wanting to be a police officer a bad thing? Again, it's like saying all muslims are bad, because some people use Muslim teachings to become terrorists. If somebody said you shouldn't hate all muslims for the actions of terrorists, would you say "were they forced to become Muslim?" Well no, they weren't, but there is nothing wrong with being muslim in itself. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be a police officer in itself. Some people abuse that and they deserve to be condemned for it. That doesn't mean becoming a police officer was a bad thing. There are a lot of good reasons to become a police officer, it has potential to actually be a very dangerous and heroic job, not unlike a fire fighter or a doctor. So it seems pretty crazy to say that they deserve to be condemned because they wanted to be police.

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King_Hutton
08/27/20 3:54:19 PM
#72:


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I don't get what one thing has to do with the other.
Choosing to be a cop is an action.

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sktgamer_13dude
08/27/20 3:54:38 PM
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Yeah and I definitely think that should change, and whatever laws are in place that let that happen should go, but that doesn't mean that all cops are bad. I assume all cops are not the ones making the laws

Cops literally stood outside of Chauvins house in solidarity. Cops have been brutalizing protestors (not just the rioters) for no fucking reason. Shut your fucking mouth. Cops literally shot a dog in their fucking yard because they couldnt control their own K9.

Again, blue lives matter is incredibly tone deaf. You dont see people murdering cops on the regular and the murderers getting off scot-free and getting full pensions because they were scared!

Shut the fuck up.
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gatorsPENSbucs
08/27/20 3:57:59 PM
#74:


Hinakuluiau posted...
Doctor kills your mom through malpractice? Don't complain unless you're gonna go through medical school!
Thats kinda not even the slightest bit of the same thing. Its not a good comparison.

Donald Trump, or a president would be a better example. If you dont like whos in the office, you get other people to get in office. You dont just sit around and let the person get another term, or let their side keep getting elected. You get the correct people in there.

Its a good point the guy makes. Instead of telling kids to hate cops and stay away from them, tell them to join the force and make the change themselves. Have a new, good group of people coming up and bringing good values with them.

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08/27/20 3:59:09 PM
#75:


King_Hutton posted...
Choosing to be a cop is an action.

Yes, I understand. That's still not ok to condemn somebody for it. That's still prejudiced and wrong. Again, you would not say its ok to hate all muslims because they chose to follow the Muslim religion. That's still turning something like being a cop which is not an inherently bad thing into something to hate somebody for. This is why I think they feel like victims. Statements like this one. Saying that they deserve hate because they are cops, when cops are not bad by default.

As far as cops brutalizing protesters, there are also cops that stood with black lives matter as well. The cops brutalizing protesters was wrong. The protesters destroying businesses hurting people and starting fires was wrong. There was a cop who drove through protesters. Well the protesters were mobbing and assaulting the car. Would they not have hurt him?

People aren't murdering cops on the regular but the way they're talking they have a right to feel threatened. It seems like people sure want to.

Again the murderers you're talking about deserve nothing but hate, but don't hate on the good cops because of that. This exact same conversation could be had about Muslims and you would probably think it was horrible, but because its cops, somehow we don't care anymore. It's all the same really. You shouldn't hate on a group because they are in that group without any knowledge of what they stand for. Yeah, terrorists, KKK, that's something else, those things inherently stand for bad. The job description of a police officer is not a bad thing.

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King_Hutton
08/27/20 4:01:21 PM
#76:


Dude you cant keep expecting people to read the same nonsense over and over again. Youre not saying anything new at all. Victim mentality of the police is getting civilians killed and youre sitting here defending it.

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08/27/20 4:03:49 PM
#77:


If you stop treating cops like dirt, innocent cops who had nothing to do with the aggressors, then they will stop feeling like victims.

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Lathissamus
08/27/20 4:08:01 PM
#78:


sktgamer_13dude posted...
Cops literally stood outside of Chauvins house in solidarity. Cops have been brutalizing protestors (not just the rioters) for no fucking reason. Shut your fucking mouth. Cops literally shot a dog in their fucking yard because they couldnt control their own K9.

Again, blue lives matter is incredibly tone deaf. You dont see people murdering cops on the regular and the murderers getting off scot-free and getting full pensions because they were scared!

Shut the fuck up.
Big mad.

Why don't you shut the fuck up and pay attention for once?


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King_Hutton
08/27/20 4:08:29 PM
#79:


Cops have been brutalizing civilians since before I was born.

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Lathissamus
08/27/20 4:09:43 PM
#80:


King_Hutton posted...
Dude you cant keep expecting people to read the same nonsense over and over again. Youre not saying anything new at all. Victim mentality of the police is getting civilians killed and youre sitting here defending it.
Victim mentality of civilians is willfully breaking laws then crying when they get shot. You crazy anti-police lefties are the reason why more and more people will be voting red in Nov.

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sktgamer_13dude
08/27/20 4:09:47 PM
#81:


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If you stop treating cops like dirt, innocent cops who had nothing to do with the aggressors, then they will stop feeling like victims.

Maybe good cops should stop protecting bad ones.

Lathissamus posted...

Big mad.

Why don't you shut the fuck up and pay attention for once?


wow such rebuttal
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Lathissamus
08/27/20 4:10:30 PM
#82:


King_Hutton posted...
Cops have been brutalizing civilians since before I was born.
Police brutality is real, but you shouldn't judge all police because of it. Pretty easy argument to comprehend.

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King_Hutton
08/27/20 4:10:52 PM
#83:


Lathissamus posted...
Victim mentality of civilians is willfully breaking laws then crying when they get shot. You crazy anti-police lefties are the reason why more and more people will be voting red in Nov.
*yawn*

Youre just trolling

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King_Hutton
08/27/20 4:12:04 PM
#84:


Lathissamus posted...
Police brutality is real, but you shouldn't judge all police because of it. Pretty easy argument to comprehend.
We should absolutely judge an institution by what it allows. We cant pretend every officer exists in a bubble. Thats not how reality works.

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Lathissamus
08/27/20 4:13:08 PM
#85:


King_Hutton posted...
*yawn*

Youre just trolling
Not at all, but continue to believe whatever you want to believe. You think these business owners in these blue states are gonna vote blue again? You think the normal American is gonna see these riots on TV and think wow I should really vote for Joe Biden?

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Lathissamus
08/27/20 4:14:41 PM
#86:


King_Hutton posted...
We should absolutely judge an institution by what it allows. We cant pretend every officer exists in a bubble. Thats not how reality works.

This mentality is what causes riots and the destruction of communities.

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08/27/20 4:15:17 PM
#87:


King_Hutton posted...
Cops have been brutalizing civilians since before I was born.

Bad cops have been. Not all cops. Again, it is not ok to hate a group because some people in it did bad things. Anybody on the left SHOULD know that, as it's one of their biggest fighting points against the right.

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08/27/20 4:17:02 PM
#88:


sktgamer_13dude posted...
Maybe good cops should stop protecting bad ones.

Yeah, but they aren't. The cops protecting the bad ones, are bad cops. Not all cops are protecting the bad ones.

King_Hutton posted...
We should absolutely judge an institution by what it allows. We cant pretend every officer exists in a bubble. Thats not how reality works.

You can judge the institution, sure. That doesn't mean judging all the cops in it. I assume there's some power structure isn't there? Should we be all judged as Americans for Trump's actions? Do you consider yourself responsible for everything he's done? Are all Americans bad?


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King_Hutton
08/27/20 4:22:15 PM
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Bad cops have been. Not all cops. Again, it is not ok to hate a group because some people in it did bad things. Anybody on the left SHOULD know that, as it's one of their biggest fighting points against the right.
Dude stop comparing a job to someones race, its really not helping your argument and is definitely making you sound bad. You cant continually ignore the willful actions of police and expect me to keep explaining why people in power arent victims when people hate them based on their actions.

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You can judge the institution, sure.
Ok then you need to stop complaining about ACAB then. You cant have it both ways. Either people can complain about the institution and make judgements on anyone who willingly joins said institution or you can be mad at people for judging cops. It cant be both.

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Lathissamus
08/27/20 4:26:14 PM
#90:


King_Hutton posted...
Dude stop comparing a job to someones race, its really not helping your argument and is definitely making you sound bad. You cant continually ignore the willful actions of police and expect me to keep explaining why people in power arent victims when people hate them based on their actions.

Ok then you need to stop complaining about ACAB then. You cant have it both ways. Either people can complain about the institution and make judgements on anyone who willingly joins said institution or you can be mad at people for judging cops. It cant be both.
Don't call the police next time you're in trouble.

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nemu
08/27/20 4:27:03 PM
#91:


King_Hutton posted...
Dude stop comparing a job to someones race, its really not helping your argument and is definitely making you sound bad. You cant continually ignore the willful actions of police and expect me to keep explaining why people in power arent victims when people hate them based on their actions.

Ok then you need to stop complaining about ACAB then. You cant have it both ways. Either people can complain about the institution and make judgements on anyone who willingly joins said institution or you can be mad at people for judging cops. It cant be both.
I'd question your avoidance of his comparison to religion. Are religious fanatics representative of their religion?
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Lysandear
08/27/20 4:30:57 PM
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christ are you guys really like this? or is it just that fun being the goon? i dont fuckin get you guys at all

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08/27/20 4:31:54 PM
#93:


King_Hutton posted...
Dude stop comparing a job to someones race, its really not helping your argument and is definitely making you sound bad. You cant continually ignore the willful actions of police and expect me to keep explaining why people in power arent victims when people hate them based on their actions.

Ok then you need to stop complaining about ACAB then. You cant have it both ways. Either people can complain about the institution and make judgements on anyone who willingly joins said institution or you can be mad at people for judging cops. It cant be both.

Yeah it's not the exact same thing as a race, but that doesn't really matter, when the thing you're hating them for is not a bad thing. Race, religion, nationality, job, I am not going to sit here and say its ok to hate somebody based on SOMEBODY ELSE'S actions. I get that they chose to be police, but they didn't choose to be murderers they chose to be POLICE. If you can't think of a good reason to do that outside of wanting to kill people I don't know what to say.

It's not the same thing as hating the institution. Again, I hate the American government, but I don't think we deserve hate because we're American. Why haven't you moved to Canada? You're willingly living under Trump, aren't you? Without the police institution we would be screwed. It's a good institution to have, in theory. A lot of people aren't joining it because they want to kill people, they're joining it because they want to help people. Those are good people. This topic just proves that they ARE being victimized the fact you feel comfortable saying all of these things.

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King_Hutton
08/27/20 4:32:44 PM
#94:


nemu posted...
I'd question your avoidance of his comparison to religion. Are religious fanatics representative of their religion?
I have a strong dislike of religion but I think the voluntary aspect of religion is a bit cloudy. But your shitty gotcha is irrelevant regardless.

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nemu
08/27/20 4:34:23 PM
#95:


King_Hutton posted...
I have a strong dislike of religion but I think the voluntary aspect of religion is a bit cloudy. But your shitty gotcha is irrelevant regardless.
No, belief in something is involuntary but adherence to a religion is entirely voluntary. You're just dodging it because it doesn't fit into your choice narrative.
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Lysandear
08/27/20 4:35:05 PM
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Like given nemu's response here I just have to assume he's dicking people around on here at basically all times
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King_Hutton
08/27/20 4:36:51 PM
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HHH is the game posted...
Yeah it's not the exact same thing as a race, but that doesn't really matter
Yes, it does, and its horribly offensive to pretend that something beyond a persons control is equivalent to their chosen profession.

HHH is the game posted...
SOMEBODY ELSE'S actions.
You keep ignoring the voluntary aspect of joining the force. If were going to use your cant hate everyone in a group logic then youre defending klansmen, and we both know how silly that is. I dont believe for a second that youd defend a Klansman.

HHH is the game posted...
It's not the same thing as hating the institution.
It is. Please dont be willfully ignorant here. ACAB is about the institution.

HHH is the game posted...
This topic just proves that they ARE being victimized the fact you feel comfortable saying all of these things
There has not been a single victim in anything Ive said. Youre getting more and more disingenuous.

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08/27/20 4:41:56 PM
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King_Hutton posted...
Yes, it does, and its horribly offensive to pretend that something beyond a persons control is equivalent to their chosen profession.

Ok, but again, things like religion are within control, but you shouldn't hate on Muslims because of the bad actions of terrorists, or Christians because of the bad actions of certain priests.

King_Hutton posted...
You keep ignoring the voluntary aspect of joining the force. If were going to use your cant hate everyone in a group logic then youre defending klansmen, and we both know how silly that is. I dont believe for a second that youd defend a Klansman.

As I said, the KKK is literally an organization about racism. If you join it you are supporting that. But becoming police officer is not something you do to hurt people. It doesn't inherently stand for something morally repugnant. There are awful people IN it but there isn't a GOOD police force to join as an alternative. Where would somebody who wants to perform the job of police officer, the good version of it? Become a vigilante like Batman? There is no other option besides the police institution. And we need police officers, so there really isn't another option here.

I mean really....How in the world would we be better off if we encouraged people NOT to become police officers UNLESS they wanted to hurt people? Would you rather we LITERALLY just have all bad cops? That seems to be what you're saying, since good cops are considered bad by trying to join and do a good job.

King_Hutton posted...
It is. Please dont be willfully ignorant here. ACAB is about the institution.

It says "All cops are bad", not the police institution is bad. It's pretty obvious and everything you said is also obvious that it means more than that.

King_Hutton posted...
There has not been a single victim in anything Ive said. Youre getting more and more disingenuous.

No, you haven't hurt anybody, but this kind of thinking is still awful. People talk about "microaggressions" so what is this? This way of thinking is absolutely victimizing.

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Mr_Rian
08/27/20 4:43:35 PM
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It's not the same thing as hating the institution. Again, I hate the American government, but I don't think we deserve hate because we're American.

You're really bad at analogies, my guy. What you're describing is off. If you hate the government, that is comprised of politicians. And as has been indirectly mentioned before, people willfully become politicians. And yeah, there are plenty of people that hold the position that all politicians are bastards, and no one bats an eye at it. Politicians aren't painted as being victimized.

At any rate, I don't subscribe to the ACAB mentality myself. But I also don't blindly side with cops in general. When a large portion of police believe that they should protect other cops who have committed clearly indefensible acts, I have a problem with them, and any cop that sees things go down and say and does nothing. But since that's not literally all cops, I'm not going to say ACAB. I don't know how many people become cops to change the way things are done, so I don't judge a cop until they act in a way that deserves to be judged.
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King_Hutton
08/27/20 4:45:19 PM
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HHH is the game posted...
As I said, the KKK is literally an organization about racism. If you join it you are supporting that.
Youre so close to understanding.

HHH is the game posted...
It says "All cops are bad", not the police institution is bad. It's pretty obvious and everything you said is also obvious that it means more than that.
Youre being educated here and choosing to ignore it.

HHH is the game posted...
No, you haven't hurt anybody
So there are no victims. Stop trying to find shitty wants to justify polices victim complex.

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