Current Events > Rioters attack public library, museum, school, post office, and more in Kenosha

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TheGoldenEel posted...

Police brutality has stopped in Portland?

I legit feel sorry for you if you the Portland riots have any actual purpose. Portland riots for sport. There's a reason why Portland is still rioting even when most other cities went to back to normal and it's sure as shit not because police brutality is worse in Portland than anyone else.

Sackgurl posted...

if black people can be murdered by employees of the state while doing nothing wrong, and their murderers consistently will go free and not be punished, what is their incentive NOT to burn your house down?

The funny thing this comment is that the men killed are almost *always* in fact doing something wrong. Damn near every single one of these shootings involves a career criminal who is resisting arrest. Now, that obviously doesn't mean it's ok if cops use excessive force and not all shootings are justified just because the criminal is resisting, but it's completely disingenuous to pretend like most of these guys are just innocent upstanding members of society who are peacefully walking down the street when a cop pulls up on them and puts a bullet in their head.

Grischnak posted...

I legit feel sorry for you if you the Portland riots have any actual purpose. Portland riots for sport. There's a reason why Portland is still rioting even when most other cities went to back to normal and it's sure as shit not because police brutality is worse in Portland than anyone else.

But has police brutality gotten better in Portland?


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TheGoldenEel posted...

But has police brutality gotten better in Portland?

Did George Floyd get killed in Portland? Did Rayshard Brooks? Did Jacob Blake(I don't think he's dead but still)? No, no and no. None of the recent major police brutality killings/shootings happened there at all.

Grischnak posted...

Did George Floyd get killed in Portland? Did Rayshard Brooks? Did Jacob Blake(I don't think he's dead but still)? No, no and no. None of the recent major police brutality killings/shootings happened there at all.

Have there been any major changes made in the fight against police brutality in Portland?

can you please answer the question instead of side stepping it?

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TheGoldenEel posted...

Have there been any major changes made in the fight against police brutality in Portland?

can you please answer the question instead of side stepping it?

You're a funny guy. You talk about me side stepping the conversation and yet you're the one trying to turn an argument about the moral righteousness of looting/rioting into an argument about police brutality stats in Portland. Tbqh, I really don't give a shit what the police brutality stats are in Portland. It could have the highest rate of police brutality in the country or it could have the lowest. Ultimately none of it justifies the shitty things the scum in Portland does. Remember this classic incident before the 2020 craziness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJLylzPRvyw&;

I guess that guy was an undercover cop or something? He totally deserved that, right bro? Hell, that old man is quite lucky that happened in 2018. If that happened today he would have gotten curb stomped and people like you would have defended the curb stomping to be justice because "police brutality".

Grischnak posted...

You're a funny guy. You talk about me side stepping the conversation and yet you're the one trying to turn an argument about the moral righteousness of looting/rioting into an argument about police brutality stats in Portland. Tbqh, I really don't give a shit what the police brutality stats are in Portland. It could have the highest rate of police brutality in the country or it could have the lowest. Ultimately none of it justifies the shitty things the scum in Portland does. Remember this classic incident before the 2020 craziness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJLylzPRvyw&;

I guess that guy was an undercover cop or something? He totally deserved that, right bro? Hell, that old man is quite lucky that happened in 2018. If that happened today he would have gotten curb stomped and people like you would have defended the curb stomping to be justice because "police brutality".

People are rioting because these things keep happening, and change hasnt been made to fix it

if the reason they are rioting is still happening, why would they stop rioting?

again

when the shootings stop, the lootings stop

not a hard concept

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I don't condone it but I get why people get violent and loot and destroy in the wake of these incidents.

But why the fucking dinosaur discovery museum like seriously what did dinosaurs do to anyone.

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I'm telling you, if Biden loses it's because of these riots.

Hornswoggled posted...

I'm telling you, if Biden loses it's because of these riots.

Why would riots happening in Trumps America be a reason for his re-election

theyre trying to paint Biden as making the suburbs unsafe and people arent buying it

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TheGoldenEel posted...

Why would riots happening in Trumps America be a reason for his re-election

theyre trying to paint Biden as making the suburbs unsafe and people arent buying it

Because the Democrats don't want to condemn the riots, or really even do anything about them but let them play out.

While Trump goes, "I want to end these riots, but the liberal local governments won't let me."

Trumps's numbers have risen in the wake of the riots. It's a very real factor, I think.

Hornswoggled posted...

Because the Democrats don't want to condemn the riots, or really even do anything about them but let them play out.

While Trump goes, "I want to end these riots, but the liberal local governments won't let me."

Trumps's numbers have risen in the wake of the riots. It's a very real factor, I think.

Well no, democrats are trying to implement actual policy changes that protesters and by extension rioters want

for example Tony Evers of Wisconsin had proposed numerous bills in the wake of the George Floyd killing to help increase police accountability

the republican legislature has refused to take up the bills for debate or discussion

now in response to the events in Kenosha he has signed an executive order compelling them to convene to discuss these bills, and they are still refusing

So to summarize

trump wants address these things by crushing them which force, which will not work

democrats want to address these things with legislature aimed at improving police relations with their communities and increasing accountability, and when they actually put forth legislation to do so they are being stonewalled by republicans

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Hornswoggled posted...

Trumps's numbers have risen in the wake of the riots. It's a very real factor, I think.

Source please....

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For more detail here are the exact changes that the democratic governor has proposed, which republicans refuse to even acknowledge:

LRB 6273/LRB 6424:
Establishes statewide use of force standards for all law enforcement agencies that includes that the primary duty of law enforcement is to preserve the life of all individuals; that deadly force is to be used only as the last resort; that officers should use skills and tactics that minimize the likelihood that force will become necessary; that, if officers must use physical force, it should be the least amount of force necessary to safely address the threat; and that law enforcement officers must take reasonable action to stop or prevent any unreasonable use of force by their colleagues;
Prohibits discipline of a law enforcement officer for reporting a violation of a law enforcement agency's use of force policy; and
Requires the Law Enforcement Standards Board (LESB) to develop a model use of force policy for law enforcement agencies.
LRB 6274/ LRB 6425:
Requires each law enforcement officer to annually complete at least eight hours of training on use of force options and de-escalation techniques.
LRB 6275/LRB 6426:
Creates a $1,000,000 grant program, administered by the Department of Justice, to fund community organizations that are utilizing evidence-based outreach and violence interruption strategies to mediate conflicts, prevent retaliation and other potentially violent situations, and connect individuals to community supports.
LRB 6276/LRB 6427:
Requires law enforcement agencies to develop policies prohibiting the use of chokeholds.
LRB 6277/LRB 6428:
Requires each law enforcement agency to not only prepare a policy regarding the use of force by its law enforcement officers, but to make it available publicly online.
LRB 6281/LRB 6429:
Creates a civil cause of action for unnecessarily summoning a law enforcement officer with intent to infringe upon a right of the person under the Wisconsin Constitution or the U.S. Constitution; unlawfully discriminate against the person; cause the person to feel harassed, humiliated, or embarrassed; cause the person to be expelled from a place in which the person is lawfully located; damage the person's reputation or standing within the community; or damage the person's financial, economic, consumer, or business prospects or interests.
LRB 6283/LRB 6430:
Requires that the Department of Justice publish an annual report on use of force incidents, including incidents where there was a shooting, where a firearm was discharged in the direction of a person (even if there was no injury), and where other serious bodily harm resulted from the incident; and
Requires certain demographic information to be collected about each incident and reported annually by DOJ on its website.
LRB 6289/LRB 6431:
Prohibits no-knock search warrants.
LRB 6292/LRB 6432:
Makes certain changes to the responsibilities of the LESB, including requiring LESB to also regulate jail and juvenile detention officer training standards and regulate recruitment standards for the recruiting of new law enforcement, jail, and juvenile detention officers;
Requires each law enforcement agency to maintain an employment file for each employee; and
Requires each potential candidate for a position in an agency, jail, or facility that is or has been employed by a different agency, jail, or facility to authorize their previous employer to disclose his or her employment files to the hiring entity.

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TheGoldenEel posted...

Well no, democrats are trying to implement actual policy changes that protesters and by extension rioters want

for example Tony Evers of Wisconsin had proposed numerous bills in the wake of the George Floyd killing to help increase police accountability

the republican legislature has refused to take up the bills for debate or discussion

now in response to the events in Kenosha he has signed an executive order compelling them to convene to discuss these bills, and they are still refusing

So to summarize

trump wants address these things by crushing them which force, which will not work

democrats want to address these things with legislature aimed at improving police relations with their communities and increasing accountability, and when they actually put forth legislation to do so they are being stonewalled by republicans

I don't know if "We passed a bill for accountability blah blah blah" is gonna be enough to stop this.

I lot of them are just doing it because they can.

Stop killing black people and they'll probably stop burning stuff

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Oh shoot a guy in the back? Let's go destroy places of education!

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Hornswoggled posted...

I don't know if "We passed a bill for accountability blah blah blah" is gonna be enough to stop this.

I lot of them are just doing it because they can.

You are incorrect

riots dont just happen

they happen because of a specific set of conditions and events.

if policy changes were implemented and those policy changes were were used to hold the police responsible for these killings, the riots would not happen


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Basically heres what happens

police kill unarmed black man -> police are not held accountable -> people riot

you are trying to take the people riot part out of this equation, without addressing the two steps that come before the rioting

if police killing unarmed black men leads to rioting then maybe police should stop killing unarmed black men.

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https://www.newsweek.com/blm-protester-injured-after-shot-homeowner-1527439

This is what I'm worried about.

If this keeps on escalating, it's gonna lead to different factions of citizens killing each other in the streets, and it will have nothing to do with the police.

Hornswoggled posted...

https://www.newsweek.com/blm-protester-injured-after-shot-homeowner-1527439

This is what I'm worried about.

If this keeps on escalating, it's gonna lead to different factions of citizens killing each other in the streets, and it will have nothing to do with the police.

well then

maybe police should stop killing unarmed black men

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TheGoldenEel posted...

well then

maybe police should stop killing unarmed black men

Maybe people shouldn't assault police officers, resist arrest, and reach into their car for a weapon.


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Kastrada posted...

There is a rap sheet going around with the same name that had a bunch of charges but as far as I know, it's not been confirmed to be him.

I'm not saying he did or didn't do the things being alleged, nor is it relevant. But I remember when that Asian doctor was dragged off the airline and people began sharing a bunch of police reports that some guy with the same name had abused patients or was selling prescriptions under the table. So take those reports with a grain of salt.

Well that should all be resolved in the future since he did fortunately survive

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These 'law and order' conservatives have the worst twitter takes. Let's own the mob by 'letting' them do whatever the hell they want...because 'hey it's a democrat city, lol'

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Skiggie posted...

Maybe people shouldn't assault police officers, resist arrest, and reach into their car for a weapon.

Dude didn't have a weapon or reached for a weapon. Stop making shit up.

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Skiggie posted...

These 'law and order' conservatives have the worst twitter takes. Let's own the mob by 'letting' them do whatever the hell they want...because 'hey it's a democrat city, lol'

You get what you vote for and it's the Democrat mayors and AGs that are refusing to call for federal assistance. Fuck them. And fuck you for good measure.

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ThePrinceFish posted...

And fuck you for good measure.

Damm, someone's triggered.

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ThePrinceFish posted...

You get what you vote for and it's the Democrat mayors and AGs that are refusing to call for federal assistance. Fuck them. And fuck you for good measure.

Fuck me? I'm not a Democrat or a leftist, I lean right and I'm sick of conservatives and their damn conflicting message. One second they call for law and order, and the next second they laugh it off and say "let it burn, it's a democrat city and it's what they want. It'll make Trump look good!"

Seeing a bunch of conservatives on Twitter bloviate this crap. So, fuck you.

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Bishop9800 posted...

Damm, someone's triggered.

Hitting me with the "u mad"? Really bringing in the big guns.

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Bishop9800 posted...

Dude didn't have a weapon or reached for a weapon. Stop making shit up.

Lol I think that dude blocked me

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no justice no peace

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Skiggie posted...

Fuck me? I'm not a Democrat or a leftist, I lean right and I'm sick of conservatives and their damn conflicting message. One second they call for law and order, and the next second they laugh it off and say "let it burn, it's a democrat city and it's what they want. It'll make Trump look good!"

Seeing a bunch of conservatives on Twitter bloviate this crap. So, fuck you.

The message is to stop fucking voting for people who let your city burn down. It sure as shit isn't the conservatives on Twitter that are bringing down the small local businesses. So whine away. Voting has consequences. When you vote for weak on crime Democrats, don't expect help when riots come for your business.

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ThePrinceFish posted...

Hitting me with the "u mad"? Really bringing in the big guns.

Not mad, just triggered. You're the one saying "fuck you" to people.


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It's a shame the police continue to enjoy murdering people with impunity. Perhaps if they stop, bring in some accountability and transparency, and eject the bad actors from their agencies, the fires will stop?

Btw I posted a comprehensive set of changes proposed by a democrat to address the reasons people are rioting and no one has responded

what are republicans doing that makes them the better party in all this? Stoking fear and encouraging police militarization to squash protests?

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TheGoldenEel posted...

Btw I posted a comprehensive set of changes proposed by a democrat to address the reasons people are rioting and no one has responded

what are republicans doing that makes them the better party in all this? Stoking fear and encouraging police militarization to squash protests?

They won't respond because it hurts their victim complex

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Hornswoggled posted...

https://www.newsweek.com/blm-protester-injured-after-shot-homeowner-1527439

This is what I'm worried about.

If this keeps on escalating, it's gonna lead to different factions of citizens killing each other in the streets, and it will have nothing to do with the police.

Pretty much.

https://www.wral.com/police-fayetteville-man-charged-with-manslaughter-after-shooting-intruder/19166238/

If the police can't go after criminals then civilians will have to handle it themselves.

Besides it's not wise to call 911 and hope the police show up in time.

Some situations need to be handled immediately.


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TheGoldenEel posted...

Stoking fear and encouraging police militarization to squash protests?

to establish order at a massive cost in the republican way.
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HaVeNII7 posted...

No, they dont. If they accelerate positive change for the future then it was worth it.

The only things they're accelerating is 4 more years of Trump and eventually a race war.

TheGoldenEel posted...

People are rioting because these things keep happening, and change hasnt been made to fix it

if the reason they are rioting is still happening, why would they stop rioting?

again

when the shootings stop, the lootings stop

not a hard concept

Again if they're mad at the police then why are they burning and looting other places and NOT going after the police and their stations?

It's not the people wanting to effect change by peacefully protesting starting these riots. It's opportunistic individuals who are looking to destroy things and steal stuff and if the people wanting real change want to be taken seriously then they should out the people causing the mayhem.

SJWFaqs posted...

Again if they're mad at the police then why are they burning and looting other places and NOT going after the police and their stations?

It's not the people wanting to effect change by peacefully protesting starting these riots.

Theyre mad at police, theyre mad at society for keeping this the status quo, theyre mad at people for not pushing for change, theyre mad that this has been going on for decades and nothing has changed

peaceful protest doesnt always work, but rioting makes you uncomfortable, makes you talk about whats going on, makes it impossible to ignore, the way you just ignore peaceful protests

you claim these people are being opportunists.... but they wouldnt be doing this if the opportunities werent being created when police kill unarmed black men

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Again violence will only be met with more violence and is the WRONG way to effect change.

If civil rights protesters could do it peacefully 60 or more years ago then it's possible now too.

TheGoldenEel posted...

Theyre mad at police, theyre mad at society for keeping this the status quo, theyre mad at people for not pushing for change, theyre mad that this has been going on for decades and nothing has changed

peaceful protest doesnt always work, but rioting makes you uncomfortable, makes you talk about whats going on, makes it impossible to ignore, the way you just ignore peaceful protests

you claim these people are being opportunists.... but they wouldnt be doing this if the opportunities werent being created when police kill unarmed black men

Rioting doesn't force an uncomfortable conversation. It makes people write you right off as the opportunistic terrorist that you are if your protest strategy is to burn down innocent peoples' livelihoods.

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SJWFaqs posted...

Again violence will only be met with more violence and is the WRONG way to effect change.

If civil rights protesters could do it 60 or more years ago then it's possible now too.

The civil rights act of 1968 was passed as a direct response to riots that happened after Martin Luther King Jr was murdered

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1968

The final breakthrough came in the aftermath of the April 4, 1968 assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr., and the civil unrest across the country following King's death.[15][16] On April 5, Johnson wrote a letter to the United States House of Representatives urging passage of the Fair Housing Act.[17] The Rules Committee, "jolted by the repeated civil disturbances virtually outside its door," finally ended its hearings on April 8.[18] With newly urgent attention from legislative director Joseph Califano and Democratic Speaker of the HouseJohn McCormack, the bill (which was previously stalled) passed the House by a wide margin on April 10.[15][19]

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Guess my ignore/block list gains another member since this going in circles repeating the same thing is tired and annoying.

SJWFaqs posted...

Again though why are they burning down places besides the police department? What did those people do to deserve to lose their livelihoods/properties?

Because they were living their lives and not joining in on the protests because what's going on doesn't affect them?

I guess that makes me a bad person who deserves to be robbed and have my home burnt to the ground too since I'm the same way.

theyre angry at society and lashing out

its an emotional response to an emotional incident

if society hadnt created the situations where these people feel they have no hope for change to happen, then the riots wouldnt happen.

again, notice how the common trend here is

1. police shoot or kill unarmed black man
2. police do not face consequences
3. people riot

if your main problem here is 3, and not 1 or 2, wellwhat the hell is wrong with you?


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and to be clear: nobody wants riots to keep happening

we want people in power to enact the changes that would lead to the situations where riots happen, no longer happening.

notice how still no one has responded to my above post detailing the bills proposed by Wisconsins governor

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Innocent people lose their businesses and livelihood, while criminal thugs are given mass funerals, wall murals, and are lionized/martyred by politicians and the media.

Keep going, Scumfuck America!

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The post office huh?