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Shablagoo
08/22/20 7:03:38 AM
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Fam_Fam
08/22/20 7:09:31 AM
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people have no fucking clue what socialism is

bernie (or what people think he represents even) has nothing to do with it either
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FrankJaegr
08/22/20 7:11:23 AM
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Lmfao
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Southernfatman
08/22/20 7:11:25 AM
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But it's ok when capitalism does it though. You should be grateful to have the opportunity to break your back for rich people and not get paid your fair share. It's an honor really.

/s... just in case.

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Rika_Furude
08/22/20 7:14:16 AM
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Get your kid to work a month for 20 dollars
then take 19 dollars and give it to dad cause he needs a big bonus this year
then try and sell your kid dinner for 20 dollars
thats capitalism

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R1masher
08/22/20 7:46:25 AM
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Socialist justice warriors

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Keith_Valentine
08/22/20 7:52:43 AM
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Why are you guys bitching about capitalism when you probably all have very comfortable lives living in it?

Youd think you were hauling sandbags in Guatemela, your fridges are fuckin stocked and you know it. You have access to all the best things the world has to offer and you feel like youre getting screwed. What the fuck. Probably literally whining on smart phones or desk tops, when was the last time you missed a meal?
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Duncanwii
08/22/20 7:54:47 AM
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I dont know why you're laughing. That's literally how socialism works.
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Anticyclonic
08/22/20 7:55:01 AM
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Capitalism: You rush to the bathroom, lock the door and offer to let your siblings in to help clean for a sizeable cut of their payment. Two siblings take you up on the offer. You are paid 10 dollars and take 7 dollars from the others, for a total of 24 dollars. Your siblings gets $3 each.

Socialism: Three of you clean the bathroom and each get $10. The sibling who didn't help doesn't get paid for this thing but also isn't kicked out of the household to starve or anything.

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Fam_Fam
08/22/20 7:57:06 AM
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Anticyclonic posted...
Capitalism: You rush to the bathroom, lock the door and offer to let your siblings in to help clean for a sizeable cut of their payment. Two siblings take you up on the offer. You are paid 10 dollars and take 7 dollars from the others, for a total of 24 dollars. Your siblings gets $3 each.

Socialism: Three of you clean the bathroom and each get $10. The sibling who didn't help doesn't get paid for this thing but also isn't kicked out of the household to starve or anything.

aren't there tons of people clamoring for more EXTRA money for people who aren't working. your example doesn't seem to reflect that whatsoever.
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Duncanwii
08/22/20 7:57:12 AM
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Anticyclonic posted...
Socialism: Three of you clean the bathroom and each get $10. The sibling who didn't help doesn't get paid for this thing but also isn't kicked out of the household to starve or anything.

Tell that to the literally millions of people who starved under Soviet and Chinese rule. Socialism is evil and yet everyone thinks it's the magic jewel that will solve all their problems instead of creating 5 more.
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Fam_Fam
08/22/20 7:58:33 AM
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Crash posted...
The bottom line is they just don't want to have to work. They want to survive for free, whilst also enjoying all the perks of living in capitalism.

To paraphrase Mark from Peep Show, "it's only the miracle of consumer capitalism that means you aren't lying in a pile of your own shit, dying of rotten teeth at 43".

Ingrates.

i think most people who support more "socialist" policies want to earn money and make more and live better. they just don't want people who don't work to die.
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Fam_Fam
08/22/20 7:59:13 AM
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Duncanwii posted...
Tell that to the literally millions of people who starved under Soviet and Chinese rule. Socialism is evil and yet everyone thinks it's the magic jewel that will solve all their problems instead of creating 5 more.
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people what they support is capitalism with increased social support, not "socialism" in the sense that these countries implement it.
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Duncanwii
08/22/20 8:01:32 AM
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Fam_Fam posted...
they just don't want people who don't work to die.

Guess what? In Soviet Russia, if you didnt work, you died. Pretty gruesomely I might add.
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WrestlinFan
08/22/20 8:03:14 AM
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Keith_Valentine posted...
Why are you guys bitching about capitalism when you probably all have very comfortable lives living in it?

Youd think you were hauling sandbags in Guatemela, your fridges are fuckin stocked and you know it. You have access to all the best things the world has to offer and you feel like youre getting screwed. What the fuck. Probably literally whining on smart phones or desk tops, when was the last time you missed a meal?
A lot of people dont have comfortable lives under capitalism, especially now. And that last paragraph is pretty much one massive straw man.

EDIT: Maybe not a straw man but its complete bullshit.

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DeadBankerDream
08/22/20 8:03:31 AM
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Nobody should engage Duncan in such matters as this except to trick him into revealing how disgusting a person he is so he gets purged for a while.
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Keith_Valentine
08/22/20 8:03:48 AM
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Fam_Fam posted...
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people what they support is capitalism with increased social support, not "socialism" in the sense that these countries implement it.

...huh?
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Eliza-Schuyler
08/22/20 8:04:07 AM
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capitalism is cleaning the whole house and yard for $20 but someone else might want to do that so theres only a chance youll get that $20 but then you only get to keep $10 and you can buy your meals for the day as well as a chance to sleep in the house for $15

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Fam_Fam
08/22/20 8:04:12 AM
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Duncanwii posted...
Guess what? In Soviet Russia, if you didnt work, you died. Pretty gruesomely I might add.

yes, and most people think that is bad.
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justaguy3492
08/22/20 8:05:07 AM
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Keith_Valentine posted...
Why are you guys bitching about capitalism when you probably all have very comfortable lives living in it?

Youd think you were hauling sandbags in Guatemela, your fridges are fuckin stocked and you know it. You have access to all the best things the world has to offer and you feel like youre getting screwed. What the fuck. Probably literally whining on smart phones or desk tops, when was the last time you missed a meal?

There it is folks. Theres's that "I got mine so fuck everyone else mentality". He can't understand why anyone would care about those who have less.

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Fam_Fam
08/22/20 8:05:16 AM
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Keith_Valentine posted...
...huh?
oops, ignore the "people" the beginning. just edited it. not sure what i was on, lol
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Anticyclonic
08/22/20 8:05:27 AM
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Fam_Fam posted...
aren't there tons of people clamoring for more EXTRA money for people who aren't working. your example doesn't seem to reflect that whatsoever.

Such as basic Healthcare and the ability to actually survive without being homeless?
Literally no one is advocating that people who don't work be rich. But if your idea of "extra stuff" is things that people need to survive then you are a sociopath. Our society is more productive than it has ever been, partly thanks to automation. Additionally, the job market is shit. People advocate for better social safety nets because it is the right thing to do and will become even more necessary as automation continues taking jobs.
Also, I reflected it in "Your sibling who didn't work isnt kicked out to starve"

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CyricZ
08/22/20 8:07:14 AM
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Keith like "you're fine, can't you just say screw the poor people like me?"

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GentlemanGamer
08/22/20 8:07:49 AM
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This topic is so full of people who have no idea what socialism is that it's almost like everyone is being sarcastic
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Anticyclonic
08/22/20 8:08:13 AM
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Duncanwii posted...
Tell that to the literally millions of people who starved under Soviet and Chinese rule. Socialism is evil and yet everyone thinks it's the magic jewel that will solve all their problems instead of creating 5 more.

Because China isn't socialist, its staunchly capitalist. And the Soviet Union wasn't socialist either. The means of production have NEVER been owned by the workers in either location
Learn the definition of words and think about what they mean instead of listening to what countries call themselves or what your brainwashed friends and family tell you.

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GentlemanGamer
08/22/20 8:09:10 AM
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Fam_Fam posted...
yes, and most people think that is bad.

You also die if you don't work in capitalism, but people think that is good.
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Duncanwii
08/22/20 8:10:22 AM
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Anticyclonic posted...
Learn the definition of words and think about what they mean instead of listening to what countries call themselves or what your brainwashed friends and family tell you.

Itt: learning from history is brainwashing.
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GentlemanGamer
08/22/20 8:11:32 AM
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You don't know anything about history lol
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Anticyclonic
08/22/20 8:12:39 AM
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Its like Duncan didn't even read my post.

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Fam_Fam
08/22/20 8:13:20 AM
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Duncanwii posted...
Itt: learning from history is brainwashing.

explain how those countries were socialist, and we will agree with you.
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DeadBankerDream
08/22/20 8:13:31 AM
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Anticyclonic posted...
Its like Duncan didn't even read my post.

He never understands things he responds to and acts like an arrogant asshat all the same.
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Duncanwii
08/22/20 8:14:21 AM
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Anticyclonic posted...
Its like Duncan didn't even read my post.

Oh I read it. I read up to the point where you said the Soviet Union wasnt socialist and I disregarded everything else because that's such a bold face lie.
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Smashingpmkns
08/22/20 8:14:44 AM
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GentlemanGamer posted...
You also die if you don't work in capitalism, but people think that is good.

Duncan's PSP collection is an exception to the rule lol
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Eliza-Schuyler
08/22/20 8:14:55 AM
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anti cyclonic- omg posting big words to make me sound smart and talkin down to everyone on a dying forum makes me soooo smart

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Anticyclonic
08/22/20 8:16:40 AM
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Duncanwii posted...
Oh I read it. I read up to the point where you said the Soviet Union wasnt socialist and I disregarded everything else because that's such a bold face lie.

Explain how the Soviet Union was socialist (them claiming to be socialist does not count, you have to demonstrate what parts of socialism they implemented and where/when).
Go on...I'll wait.

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Anticyclonic
08/22/20 8:18:56 AM
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Eliza-Schuyler posted...
anti cyclonic- omg posting big words to make me sound smart and talkin down to everyone on a dying forum makes me soooo smart
Brilliant. Thanks for your contribution to the topic.

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Eliza-Schuyler
08/22/20 8:20:20 AM
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Anticyclonic posted...
Brilliant. Thanks for your contribution to the topic.
and thanks sooooo much for yours

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RchHomieQuanChi
08/22/20 8:20:53 AM
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Capitalism is someone being told they can get $50 to clean the bathroom, so they get somebody else to do it for them, give them $2, and keep the other $48 for themselves with the logic that they deserve it because they "gave" them the opportunity

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justaguy3492
08/22/20 8:22:53 AM
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Eliza-Schuyler posted...
anti cyclonic- omg posting big words to make me sound smart and talkin down to everyone on a dying forum makes me soooo smart

What's the big word he used that you didn't understand? I'll simplify it for you because even the users that have some difficulty deserve to be able to participate in the discussion.

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Anticyclonic
08/22/20 8:22:53 AM
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Eliza-Schuyler posted...
and thanks sooooo much for yours
What "big word" did I use, BTW?
Was "advocate" or "automation" too big for you? Those are pretty, like...high school level. Right?

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Keith_Valentine
08/22/20 8:34:31 AM
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Inatead of me being sarcastic and lashing out in lame gfaqs fashion. Would anyone care to tell me what exactly socialism is to them, and not in a bathroom 20 word analogy? And please cite an example of socialist success. Not saying it doesnt exist, i would just like to see yours.

As for the KV is an 'i got mine, fuck the poor' line someone said. I grew up poor and was homeless last year. Please dont pretend to understand why I have the views i do until you give me a chance to explain myself. Or present said views at all
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Fam_Fam
08/22/20 8:35:35 AM
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Anticyclonic posted...
What "big word" did I use, BTW?
Was "advocate" or "automation" too big for you? Those are pretty, like...high school level. Right?

she's literally in middle school dude
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Keith_Valentine
08/22/20 8:36:22 AM
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Fam_Fam posted...
oops, ignore the "people" the beginning. just edited it. not sure what i was on, lol

Oh.. Capitalism with increased social support.. Not socialism. You sure yall are on the same page, bud ?
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Fam_Fam
08/22/20 8:40:09 AM
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Keith_Valentine posted...
Oh.. Capitalism with increased social support.. Not socialism. You sure yall are on the same page, bud ?

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people who are calling Sanders a socialist for wanting medicare for all and free college are idiots. supporters of adding those policies to our current system by increasing taxes are not socialists
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Eliza-Schuyler
08/22/20 8:41:18 AM
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Anticyclonic posted...
What "big word" did I use, BTW?
Was "advocate" or "automation" too big for you? Those are pretty, like...high school level. Right?
oh my god, talking down to users again. how does that make you feel? does that fill your cold, empty heart with joy? does it make you feel warm and fuzzy inside because this is the only thing that makes you feel like you actually have a life?
(and yes i do actually understand. i also didnt get much sleep. i got about 3 or 4 hours of sleep.)

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Keith_Valentine
08/22/20 8:56:34 AM
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Fam_Fam posted...
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people who are calling Sanders a socialist for wanting medicare for all and free college are idiots. supporters of adding those policies to our current system by increasing taxes are not socialists

Bernie calls himself a democratic socialist.

And we arent talking about supporters of those policies or calling names, the other posters itt besides you are championing outright socialism. That's why i said you dont seem to be arguing the same thing.
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3PiesAndAFork
08/22/20 9:00:38 AM
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Why are people acting like it's one or the other? Most 1st world countries use a combination of socialist and capitalist policies, including the US. The people advocating for more socialism aren't saying become a totally socialist society, just be more like Canada or the Netherlands.

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HagenEx
08/22/20 9:00:58 AM
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99% of the people that defend Socialism have actually never experienced it first hand..

Hint: It has never worked and never will.

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