Current Events > If your child wanted to transition to the opposite gender, would you let them?

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When they're old enough

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Irony posted...

When they're old enough

How old is old enough? 41% of trans people attempt or commit suicide at some point in their life. What if it's too late?

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Yes, but I would talk with them about it first to make sure they truly want to make that change, and to prepare themselves for the consequences (i.e., how other people will treat you.)

Joker98 posted...

How old is old enough? 41% of trans people attempt or commit suicide at some point in their life. What if it's too late?

Teens

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Joker98 posted...

How old is old enough?

The brain isnt fully formed until age 25, so that seems like a good age.
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Irony posted...

Teens

Why not sooner?

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Anagram4KamaIa posted...

The brain isnt fully formed until age 25, so that seems like a good age.

XD

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Joker98 posted...

How old is old enough? 41% of trans people attempt or commit suicide at some point in their life. What if it's too late?

Doesnt that number go up after transition?

I remember seeing that somewhere.

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TC back to trolling with his trans baiting topics. I guess the multiple suspensions didn't help you learn your lesson.

Give it a few more posts before he starts name calling and accusing people of being transphobic for not agreeing with a tremendously controversial and outlandish topic involving children transitioning before even understanding what sexuality is.

Please don't feed this clown CE

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This is one of the reasons I don't have kids.

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they can do whatever they want once they're a legal adult, but until then, i'm not letting a kid do something that is potentially a social media-influenced whim that they might later regret

transformation is welcome.

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HolierThanMao posted...

social media-influenced

watch it, ideas like this are moddable

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nah, timmy can do that when he's in his own house

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How old is this child? You specifically said child, so I assume age 12 and under? Fuck no.

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If s/he can cough up the dough to pay for the surgeries, sure.
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To all the people saying "not until they're a legal adult":

Congrats on condemning your child to never passing and suffering intense dysphoria over that. Literally just let your kid socially transition and use hormone blockers under the supervision of a doctor and therapist if you love them at all.

Flauros posted...

Doesnt that number go up after transition?

I remember seeing that somewhere.

That number comes from lack of support from friends and family. Simply put: you can bring that rate way, way down by supporting your trans friends and family. Wacky how people feel more positive about the world when their friends and family don't turn their backs on them.

I don't know

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child? no

teen? we'll talk...

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If there's a kid, however old, that knows their gender is different from the one they were assigned at birth, that should be respected. You might say, how does the kid know they're a girl for instance. Well, I could ask you the thing - how did you know you were a boy when you were 3, 4, 5, 10, whatever?

Put yourself in their shoes - someone is telling you that you have to live as a gender you don't identify as, go through the wrong puberty that will likely give you permanent dysphoria, when it would be easy and medically recommended to just let the kid socially transition and use blockers to avoid the wrong puberty until it's time to get on HRT.

Plus, by supporting your kid and not shaming them into living as the wrong gender, you're showing them that you accept them, which is what lowers the risk of suicide.

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If we're talking age 12 and under, no with a big asterisk.

It really just depends on the situation and the degree to which their gender dysphoria affects them. I would personally rather them wait until they're more emotionally and mentally developed before making such a big decision.

I don't have children though, and I doubt I'll ever have them.

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_Rinku_ posted...

To all the people saying "not until they're a legal adult":

Congrats on condemning your child to never passing and suffering intense dysphoria over that. Literally just let your kid socially transition and use hormone blockers under the supervision of a doctor and therapist if you love them at all.

That number comes from lack of support from friends and family. Simply put: you can bring that rate way, way down by supporting your trans friends and family. Wacky how people feel more positive about the world when their friends and family don't turn their backs on them.

Please dont listen to this guy. The hypothetical child wont truly know what theyre getting themselves into. I dont think you realize how many kids want to attempt something only to change their minds. Their brains arent developed to the point of understanding what they actually want. Theyre too immature at that age. If you want to play with dolls and put makeup on, whatever. Actually going under the knife? Fuck no. Id say its actually child abuse if you pay to transition a child thats not even a teen.


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Not chemically or surgically

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If they made a compelling case and have shown a bias for the desired gender *since a very early age*. Otherwise no.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Not chemically or surgically

So you would make your kid go through the wrong puberty?

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SonicTH posted...

If they made a compelling case and have shown a bias for the desired gender *since a very early age*. Otherwise no.

What if they were extremely adamant and medical professionals confirmed the child is transgender, but yet there were no signs from an early age?

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_Rinku_ posted...

To all the people saying "not until they're a legal adult":

Congrats on condemning your child to never passing and suffering intense dysphoria over that. Literally just let your kid socially transition and use hormone blockers under the supervision of a doctor and therapist if you love them at all.

That number comes from lack of support from friends and family. Simply put: you can bring that rate way, way down by supporting your trans friends and family. Wacky how people feel more positive about the world when their friends and family don't turn their backs on them.

https://youtu.be/m5UQZ-zHd6I
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_Rinku_ posted...

To all the people saying "not until they're a legal adult":

Congrats on condemning your child to never passing and suffering intense dysphoria over that. Literally just let your kid socially transition and use hormone blockers under the supervision of a doctor and therapist if you love them at all.

That number comes from lack of support from friends and family. Simply put: you can bring that rate way, way down by supporting your trans friends and family. Wacky how people feel more positive about the world when their friends and family don't turn their backs on them.

I completely agree with everything you just said

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ITT: people who have no understanding of what transitioning as a minor entails, going fully in on their transphobia

That it stems from ignorance isn't some excuse since they refuse to educate themselves and keep using their crappy assumptions. And it's not hard to get educated on the matter.

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I don't really understand how it all works, but I'd trust my child's doctors on this.

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nfearurspecimn posted...

I don't really understand how it all works, but I'd trust my child's doctors on this.

It's typically broken down into 2 categories, socially and medically transitioning

Socially transitioning = name, pronouns, clothing, etc
Medically transitioning = hormone blockers to prevent the wrong puberty, HRT (hormone replacement therapy) to make the person go through the correct puberty), any surgeries (18+ afaik) including top surgery, bottom surgery, facial surgeries,etc

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I would take them to see a mental health professional, and if they diagnose them with gender dysphoria I would consult their advice and make my decision based on that input. I don't think my answer would be a hard yes or no without knowing the full situation.

GentlemanGamer posted...

I would take them to see a mental health professional, and if they diagnose them with gender dysphoria I would consult their advice and make my decision based on that input. I don't think my answer would be a hard yes or no without knowing the full situation.

good answer

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Joker98 posted...

So you would make your kid go through the wrong puberty?

Better than allowing them to make permanent alterations to their body only for them to realise they're just gay and not trans a few years later. Which happens all of the time, even in adults who transition.

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DontHateMe posted...

Please dont listen to this guy. The hypothetical child wont truly know what theyre getting themselves into. I dont think you realize how many kids want to attempt something only to change their minds. Their brains arent developed to the point of understanding what they actually want. Theyre too immature at that age. If you want to play with dolls and put makeup on, whatever. Actually going under the knife? Fuck no. Id say its actually child abuse if you pay to transition a child thats not even a teen.

Thank you so much for outing yourself as someone who should not be listened to on this matter AND someone incapable of reading what I wrote.

No child is going under the knife. Social transition and hormone blockers are the best options and ultimately a much better option than a trans person potentially killing themselves. Kindly educate yourself before you run your mouth and endanger trans kids. Try talking to trans people and maybe you'll learn just how hurtful your ignorance is.

I would try to talk them out of it, on account of the existence or normal feelings of alienation and gender exploration that might lead to a decision like this in a young mind.

I'd also sign him/her up for therapy immediately.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Better than allowing them to make permanent alterations to their body only for them to realise they're just gay and not trans a few years later. Which happens all of the time, even in adults who transition.

what permanent alterations? Surgeries aren't available for anyone under 18 as far as I know. Also as far as I know, hormone blockers don't cause any damage and can be reversed. Hormones do cause permanent damage, but I would let a professional handle that, since I myself am not a medical professional.

Sexuality and Gender have nothing to do with eachother. Are you straight? Have you ever said, "Maybe I'm just a lesbian woman in the body of a straight man"?

Show me any study that says gay people frequently transition only to detransition and realize they're gay.

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Joker98 posted...

What if they were extremely adamant and medical professionals confirmed the child is transgender, but yet there were no signs from an early age?

Then the answer is no. I mean anyone can what if this situation to the ends of the Earth if they want. I point to my first answer to this.

For every medical professional that says one thing, you will find another that says the opposite. That's where your can get real deep into credentials and crap like that. Just because they're a doctor doesn't mean they're right. We have a medical malpractice system based on that fact

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

I would try to talk them out of it, on account of the existence or normal feelings of alienation and gender exploration that might lead to a decision like this in a young mind.

I'd also sign him/her up for therapy immediately.

By talking them out of it, you're teaching them that you don't accept them and they shouldn't accept them self either. You're setting them up for a life of self doubt and depression, not to mention an increased risk of suicide. Let's say you have a son who tells you they're a girl. Would you rather have a dead son or a living daughter?

It's good that you would sign them up for therapy immediately. It's likely they would be diagnosed with gender dysphoria and this diagnoses would allow further appropriate actions to be taken.

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SonicTH posted...

Then the answer is no. I mean anyone can what if this situation to the ends of the Earth if they want. I point to my first answer to this.

For every medical professional that says one thing, you will find another that says the opposite. That's where your can get real deep into credentials and crap like that. Just because they're a doctor doesn't mean they're right. We have a medical malpractice system based on that fact

So you're assuming ahead of time that the doctors will be wrong if they diagnose your child with gender dysphoria and say they're trans. Sounds like you just really don't want your child to be trans?

You're hinging whether or not you would let them transition off of whether they showed signs at a young age, but what if they repressed their desires or you just didn't pick up on the signs? What if you have a child that's assigned male at birth but is really a TOMBOY on the inside? You're going off of gender stereotypes.

If you took your child to 10 professionals and they all said yes, the kid is trans, would you assume they're all wrong because the kid didn't show the signs you would think a trans kid would show? Or would you say, "for every 10 yeses, there are 10 nos"?

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Joker98 posted...

what permanent alterations? Surgeries aren't available for anyone under 18 as far as I know. Also as far as I know, hormone blockers don't cause any damage and can be reversed. Hormones do cause permanent damage, but I would let a professional handle that, since I myself am not a medical professional.

I'm not talking about surgery. And I didn't say damage I said alter. Altering the hormones of a developing child is pretty obviously going to alter their development, that's why they would be undergoing it no?

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https://youtu.be/nVWm4OBU5m0
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"the wrong puberty"

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Not before 15. When puberty hits, the body is flooded with all kinds of new chemicals and hormones. We can only really guess what kinds of effects that would have on someone who had already undergone surgery.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

I'm not talking about surgery. And I didn't say damage I said alter. Altering the hormones of a developing child is pretty obviously going to alter their development, that's why they would be undergoing it no?

As far as I know, hormone blockers prevent the wrong puberty from occurring for upto 2-3 years and gives the child time to figure out what they want without having to go through the wrong puberty. I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty certain blockers don't cause any permanent effects and if you come off the blockers, you go through the puberty of your assigned gender with no developmental problems or anything. I do need to look into this a little more to speak with complete certainty, but I'm 97% sure that's all correct. I would encourage you to look into hormone blockers if you're curious tho.

For instance, a kid socially transitions from the age of 10, but at age 12 or 13 they have anxiety that they're going to go through the wrong puberty. They're checking for facial hair every morning and they're extremely depressed. A medical professional would likely determine that hormone blockers are appropriate to make sure the wrong puberty doesn't occur. Then, probably around 2 years later, the kid might get on HRT to go through the right puberty. This buys time. By this time, the kid has been living as the gender they identify as for 5 years lets say. They would probably have a fairly good idea if they identify as that gender, but ultimately I would leave the decision up to a medical professional and my child if it were me.

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DarthWendy posted...

"the wrong puberty"

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008Zulu posted...

Not before 15. When puberty hits, the body is flooded with all kinds of new chemicals and hormones. We can only really guess what kinds of effects that would have on someone who had already undergone surgery.

Actually, we don't have to guess. Endocrinology exists as a field so it's fairly well documented what would happen.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

I'm not talking about surgery. And I didn't say damage I said alter. Altering the hormones of a developing child is pretty obviously going to alter their development, that's why they would be undergoing it no?

Hormone blockers aren't permanent. Try a new tactic if you want to be taken seriously.

DarthWendy posted...

"the wrong puberty"

Yup! Is this a difficult concept for you to handle? The idea that it is traumatic to identify as a woman, but be forced to go through a puberty that deepens your voice, broadens your shoulder, and irreversibly changes you? Same goes for identifying as a man and being forced to begin having a monthly reminder of your dysphoria along with your hips widening and breast growth. Have you tried talking to any trans people, ever?

DarthWendy posted...

"the wrong puberty"

Yes - the wrong puberty. Do you identify as a man? If so, how would you feel if you were forced to go through the female puberty because someone decided when you were born that you're a girl? Would you just go "**** it, I guess I'll live as a girl?" or would you go, "screw this, I don't care what anyone says, I'm a boy"? I guarantee if you had this realization before puberty, you wouldn't want to go through with the puberty of the gender you don't identify as.

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