Current Events > The events of Lord of the Rings happened because of a fish.

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If that fish hadn't dragged the hobbit into the water, the ring would have just stayed there forever. Never goes to Gollum, therefore never goes to Bilbo

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The ring wanted to go back to Sauron. It would have found a way regardless.

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Gondor, the Elves, the Shire all probably fall in the end

That fish? Albert Einstein

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Yeah if it wasn't the fish it was gonna be something else.

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And if Bilbo never stole the ring from Gollum, he would have just continued to chill in that cave.
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lilORANG posted...

And if Bilbo never stole the ring from Gollum, he would have just continued to chill in that cave.

Gollum had already lost the Ring (or the Ring abandoned him) by that point, good chance a goblin stumbles across it

The Simarillion might have more to offer.

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People forget that it was the ring that was controlling all of the events in LOTR, not the other way around.

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The events of LoTR in the Sil are very brief actually

Maybe Elrond should have just pried the ring out of Isildur's hand and toss it into the fire, instead of letting him casually walk away.

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AdrianBeterson posted...

People forget that it was the ring that was controlling all of the events in LOTR, not the other way around.

So the ring committed suicide?

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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

So the ring committed suicide?

Lmao

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Something something ride on eagles, something something explained better in books.

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Skiggie posted...

Maybe Elrond should have just pried the ring out of Isildur's hand and toss it into the fire, instead of letting him casually walk away.

Remember Galadriel's reaction to Frodo offering her the ring? What makes you think he'd be able to toss it in?

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Skiggie posted...

Maybe Elrond should have just pried the ring out of Isildur's hand and toss it into the fire, instead of letting him casually walk away.

isildur was the hope--that he could not fathom the power it held and in his ignorance, resist it

the most the elves and istari could do--with all their willpower--is reject it when offered

little doubt that they would be corrupted almost immediately if they held it themselves

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PMarth2002 posted...

Remember Galadriel's reaction to Frodo offering her the ring? What makes you think he'd be able to toss it in?

Maybe he should have kicked Isildur off the cliff. Into the pit with you!

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Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

So the ring committed suicide?

Technically, the ring succeeded in it's plan. It got Frodo to take it to Sauron and completely indoctrinated him at the end. Gollum ended up being the wildcard though, and the ring wasn't able to get rid of him and it was a freak incident that led to it's demise (literally Gollum biting off the finger, falling off the edge and taking the ring with him).

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Skiggie posted...

Maybe Elrond should have just pried the ring out of Isildur's hand and toss it into the fire, instead of letting him casually walk away.

Should have Sparta kicked his human ass right into the fires of mount doom.
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The fish probably would have been corrupted by it somehow if it wasn't taken from it lol.

This thread has convinced me to go back to playing Lord of the Rings Online. Thanks TC.

HiddenRoar posted...

This thread has convinced me to go back to playing Lord of the Rings Online. Thanks TC.

I want to go back to it but I'm so far behind at this point. Like five expansions. Not even to Rohan and the game has gone past Mordor to Minas Morgul.

Tom is

But seriously, he is mystery by design. I like how Tolkien left mysteries that are never answered in his works. See the gnawing things beneath the Mines of Moria.

Like I love it. It is anti star wars. Where everything has a history, explaination, or a nod to the reader. Some junk is just there beside the stuff that gets tons of exposition or back story in Tolkien.

I like the idea that Tom is the most pure expression of the spirit and will of nature. Nature just is. It will be. Until the end. Tom's actual power to resist in the end would just be in is Glade and in the corners of the world. Even in the age of man, nature will reeceede. Never completely but increasingly marginalized.

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DarthAragorn posted...

I want to go back to it but I'm so far behind at this point. Like five expansions. Not even to Rohan and the game has gone past Mordor to Minas Morgul.

I didn't get farther than the Lone lands (laptop died).

And seeing that few of the older expansion packs are only 99 points until the 31st, I might as well.

Endgame happened because of a rat.

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Why is the lava the only thing that can destroy the ring, couldn't a blacksmith done the job?

Even if it just sat at the bottom of that lake, the nazgul would have converged on it almost immediately once dispatched, anyway.

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it was fate remember, it wouldn't have mattered. Something else would have gotten smeagol into the water.
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mattymad posted...

No man made fire can burn hot enough, it needs the temperatures of where it was forged. They throw it in fires and it stays cool to the touch

That and dragon fire could destroy it. Well, at least until Smaug croaked.

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HiddenRoar posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

I want to go back to it but I'm so far behind at this point. Like five expansions. Not even to Rohan and the game has gone past Mordor to Minas Morgul.

I didn't get farther than the Lone lands (laptop died).

And seeing that few of the older expansion packs are only 99 points until the 31st, I might as well.

Oh hell yeah the ones I did play were far more than worth that price, go for it

3PiesAndAFork posted...

That and dragon fire could destroy it. Well, at least until Smaug croaked.

Gandalf said Ancalagon the Black couldn't do it, and that the gods feared that dragon. Smaug was a gnat next to him

Srk700 posted...

The fish probably would have been corrupted by it somehow if it wasn't taken from it lol.

The fish probably was already corrupted and was doing the Ring's bidding by dragging Smeagol down to grab it!
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The fish spent the rest of it's unnaturally long years swimming up and down the Anduin and it's tributaries looking for the Ring

All the ring does is make people invisible, how could it be so powerful
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mere mortals can't tap into the higher powers, I dunno

LightningAce11 posted...

All the ring does is make people invisible, how could it be so powerful

Yeah I wondered about that...what does the ring do besides make people invisible? Can they actually use it for anything?

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the powers of the ring manifest are proportional to the wearer

the ring functions heavily by playing on the native desires and wants of the wearer. wearers that want more and can do more draw more power and more corruption from the ring

which is why creatures like Frodo, Bilbo, and Gollum (as hobbits which are simple creatures at their core) are somewhat more resistant to the ring's corruption. It's also why the ring has such a bad impact on bros like Boromir.

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Yeah Galadriel or someone in her league would have wrecked shit with the ring. Gandalf and the other wizards definitely would have.

Yup the whole you would not have a dark lord but queen....

It's why Gandalf is horrified at being offered the thing. It's why Saruman desired it. Denathor and Boromir too. They believed they could do great things and overcome the Dark Lord -- which they could not, but didn't understand that.

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Mmm I love a good lotr thread on here.

I always find it humorous that a seemingly inanimate object like the One Ring has a will of its own, even plans of its own.

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I always thought it was neat that the phial that Galadriel gave Frodo has the light of the Two Trees of Valinor

And a great twist againt Shelob considering Ungoliant's role in damaging the trees and drinking the lights of Varda.

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AdrianBeterson posted...

Technically, the ring succeeded in it's plan. It got Frodo to take it to Sauron and completely indoctrinated him at the end. Gollum ended up being the wildcard though, and the ring wasn't able to get rid of him and it was a freak incident that led to it's demise (literally Gollum biting off the finger, falling off the edge and taking the ring with him).

Wait, didnt Sam cut his finger off?

Have I been Mandela effectd?

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