Poll of the Day > Thousands rally in Canada to protest masks.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Mead posted...

yikes

So no actual evidence for that claim I take it.
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darkknight109 posted...

And why do you think that would make a difference?

Most of that wilderness is uninhabited. Canadians aren't evenly spread out; we have a pretty similar urban/rural population split to the US.

And the US still has several dozen times the amount of major cities that Canada has and 10 times the population. This isn't a difficult concept to understand

darkknight109 posted...

particularly when dozens of other countries with higher population densities have managed this virus better than you.

Like Brazil? India? Indonesia? Russia? All places where the virus is really starting to take hold now and the cases are rapidly growing. And excuse me if I don't trust places like Pakistan or China to post accurate numbers

darkknight109 posted...

I mean, if that's the Canadian show that Americans are most familiar with, I think that says more about Americans than Canadians...

Not just America. This is the show your country is most known for period. Unless you think Netflix is only watched by americans. Sad truth is that the biggest impact your country has had on global television is a show about stoners stealing car stereos

Revelation34 posted...

So no actual evidence for that claim I take it.

yeah sorry Ive actually misplaced the reports

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Lokarin posted...

Nah, I mean like in other publications like reddit or global or ctv

Because it doesnt fit the agenda of making it look like Americans are stupid and every other country is just doing great and accepting all these restrictions.

OhhhJa posted...

And the US still has several dozen times the amount of major cities that Canada has and 10 times the population. This isn't a difficult concept to understand

Neither is a per-capita infection rate, but that seems to be lost on you if you think that population difference is actually meaningful to this discussion.

OhhhJa posted...

Like Brazil? India? Indonesia? Russia? All places where the virus is really starting to take hold now and the cases are rapidly growing.

So congratulations on naming four countries that have lower virus numbers - both raw and per-capita - than the US, thus doing a great job of proving my point for me.

Moreover, look at the countries you just named. That's who you think the US should be compared to? Those are the health-care titans that you think the world's biggest economy should boast about being ahead of (despite, y'know, not actually being ahead of them) after eight months of a global pandemic? You really don't see how pathetic of a flex that is?

OhhhJa posted...

Unless you think Netflix is only watched by americans.

OK, so you're basing the assertion that this is Canada's most "well-known" show off of Netflix only, which seems spurious. I don't know what metric you're using for this, or how Netflix calculates it, and I don't honestly care enough to dig into it, because the fact that you've been reduced to trying to talk about a fictional television series as a line of attack during a discussion of a global pandemic is honestly kind of pathetic. If that's where you're going to try and find your W's, go ahead and take this one, but you might want to set your sights a little higher next time.

MartianManchild posted...

Because it doesnt fit the agenda of making it look like Americans are stupid and every other country is just doing great and accepting all these restrictions.

There are idiots everywhere, but the press doesn't have to "make Americans look stupid"; the virus data that gets published regularly does a good enough job of that on its own.

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darkknight109 posted...

Neither is a per-capita infection rate, but that seems to be lost on you if you think that population difference is actually meaningful to this discussion.

You can't simply focus on per capita though since how the populations are distributed is a huge factor. In the US, we have large concentrations of people in major cities. Canada has what... two real major cities... and then the rest is distributed sporadically among a bunch of moose (exaggerating of course but the point stands). Also, far more people travel to and from America and China than anywhere in the world and its not even close. It's either disingenuous or oblivious to disregard these factors

darkknight109 posted...

So congratulations on naming four countries that have lower virus numbers - both raw and per-capita - than the US, thus doing a great job of proving my point for me.

Yes I believe the US should be compared to other countries among the highest populations in the world and not countries that don't matter that much like Canada. You seem to also believe i have a higher opinion of my own country than i do lol. I just also don't believe canadians are as amazing as they seem to think they are on the world stage.

India and Brazil are quickly gaining on the US and, as I said, I trust the US case reporting a lot more than Russia, China or Pakistan, or even Brazil and India for that matter. These places are all impoverished shitholes even compared to the US. Even if china's numbers are accurate and they have actually stopped the spread thats because they will weld people into their homes. So yeah, if you completely put human rights aside a lot can be accomplished
darkknight109 posted...

OK, so you're basing the assertion that this is Canada's most "well-known" show off of Netflix only, which seems spurious. I don't know what metric you're using for this, or how Netflix calculates it, and I don't honestly care enough to dig into it, because the fact that you've been reduced to trying to talk about a fictional television series as a line of attack during a discussion of a global pandemic is honestly kind of pathetic. If that's where you're going to try and find your W's, go ahead and take this one, but you might want to set your sights a little higher next time.

I feel that trailer park boys simply paints a solid picture of your average Canadian. Thats all

MartianManchild posted...

Because it doesnt fit the agenda of making it look like Americans are stupid and every other country is just doing great and accepting all these restrictions.

theyre doing a hell of a lot better than we are

turns out when you do stupid things, stupid things happen

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OhhhJa posted...

You can't simply focus on per capita though since how the populations are distributed is a huge factor.

And I already pointed out that our population distribution is pretty much the same as the US. There are more people in the US, which means more population centres, but the distribution doesn't change. When you look at the actual areas that have people in them and not the vast swathes of wilderness and arctic in Canada that have, essentially, no people in them, Canada has a pretty similar population density to the US.

OhhhJa posted...

Canada has what... two real major cities...

By that metric, you're saying that a "major city" must have at least 3.5 million people. In which case Canada has two (Toronto and Montreal) and America has... oh, also two (New York and Los Angeles). Even if you wanted to drop that definition to "cities with at least a million people", Canada has five and the US has just 10 which, considering the US has nearly 10x the population of Canada, still disproportionately skews in favour of Canada.

So, by your own logic, Canada has MORE of its population living in "major cities", therefore making America's failure to adequately address the virus all the more acute.

OhhhJa posted...

Also, far more people travel to and from America and China than anywhere in the world and its not even close.

And?

That's not how the virus was spread in the US. That's how it arrived in the US, much like how it arrived in every other country that wasn't China, but statistically the virus was spread almost exclusively by locals.

No one is faulting the US for the virus reaching her shores - that was always inevitable. Most of the world - sensible Americans included - simply recognize that America's response has been an absolute trainwreck. Like, laughably bad for a country that claims to be the greatest in the world.

OhhhJa posted...

Yes I believe the US should be compared to other countries among the highest populations in the world

You say that, but then you say...

OhhhJa posted...

These places are all impoverished shitholes even compared to the US.

...which sounds to me like a good reason why the US *should* be far and away ahead of them and why they make for poor comparables. Or they would... but the US isn't, even when you set the bar almost as low as you possibly could. Worse, when held up to other first-world countries - even those in east Asia that have population densities far, far higher than even the most cramped US cities - the US still lags far behind.

That's why this, "Yeah, well, India and Brazil are gaining on us!!" defence is so laughable. India has one of the most impoverished underclasses in the world. Brazil's health care system is a disaster for anyone who isn't rich and its favelas are a breeding ground for disease even when there isn't a global pandemic going on. Yet these are the countries that you're proud that the US is... well, still losing to, but maybe not quite so badly anymore.

OhhhJa posted...

I feel that trailer park boys simply paints a solid picture of your average Canadian. Thats all

If that's reflective of the average American point of view, I'd say you've more or less proved my point pretty decisively.

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OhhhJa posted...

Not just America. This is the show your country is most known for period. Unless you think Netflix is only watched by americans. Sad truth is that the biggest impact your country has had on global television is a show about stoners stealing car stereos

What show are we talking about?

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OhhhJa posted...

Even if china's numbers are accurate and they have actually stopped the spread thats because they will weld people into their homes. So yeah, if you completely put human rights aside a lot can be accomplished

And you think allowing infected people to spread the virus uninhibited doesn't violate the human rights of the rest of the community? Please...

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ComradeSeraphim posted...

And you think allowing infected people to spread the virus uninhibited doesn't violate the human rights of the rest of the community? Please...

I'm not sure you know what the word uninhibited means

And if you're suggesting we follow the Chinese model of welding people into their homes and either starving them or actively murdering them then you're not really worth debating

darkknight109 posted...

And I already pointed out that our population distribution is pretty much the same as the US. There are more people in the US, which means more population centres, but the distribution doesn't change. When you look at the actual areas that have people in them and not the vast swathes of wilderness and arctic in Canada that have, essentially, no people in them, Canada has a pretty similar population density to the US.

Lol no. US pop density is 90 per sq mile. Canada is 10 per sq mile

darkknight109 posted...

So, by your own logic, Canada has MORE of its population living in "major cities", therefore making America's failure to adequately address the virus all the more acute.

Also untrue. Upon Googling, both are approximately 80% urban and 20% rural which actually surprised social admit that I thought Canada's rural population was a higher percentage. Still, US cities are definitely more densely packed overall

darkknight109 posted...

...which sounds to me like a good reason why the US *should* be far and away ahead of them and why they make for poor comparables. Or they would... but the US isn't, even when you set the bar almost as low as you possibly could. Worse, when held up to other first-world countries - even those in east Asia that have population densities far, far higher than even the most cramped US cities - the US still lags far behind.

For the first bold type:

Not really. It actually shows the US does a great job by comparison of maintaining a relatively high standard of living compared to other countries of comparable populations that all have a significantly lower standard of living.

For the 2nd bold section:

Managing hundreds of millions of people is obviously tough work which is something no European country nor canada would know anything about. Japan has indeed done a great job of containing the virus though despite having over 100 million people densely packed together but they are also a highly xenophobic homogenous population so it's not completely unsurprising

OhhhJa posted...

Lol no. US pop density is 90 per sq mile. Canada is 10 per sq mile

So, it's really kind of sad I have to do this, but you kind of need to read the entire sentence you're responding to if you don't want to make yourself look like an idiot.

Here's the part that you missed:

"When you look at the actual areas that have people in them and not the vast swathes of wilderness and arctic in Canada that have, essentially, no people in them, Canada has a pretty similar population density to the US."

Hilariously, you yourself managed to concede that point and admit that I was correct in your very next bullet point.

OhhhJa posted...

Also untrue.

It was based on the "methodology" you put forward originally, so that's not surprising.

OhhhJa posted...

Still, US cities are definitely more densely packed overall

He says with no source for his assertion.

OhhhJa posted...

Not really. It actually shows the US does a great job by comparison of maintaining a relatively high standard of living compared to other countries of comparable populations that all have a significantly lower standard of living.

In what universe were we talking about "standard of living" in this topic?

And I would expect that standard of living would also include "not getting killed by a pandemic." Which, y'know, the US is apparently really bad at.

OhhhJa posted...

Managing hundreds of millions of people is obviously tough work which is something no European country nor canada would know anything about.

Put it this way: the ENTIRE European Union, which has far more scattered governance compared to the US, has fewer cases and fewer deaths than the US, despite having half-again as many people in their borders.

You can try and torture the statistics of this as much as you like, there is no way to avoid the fact that the US has been an abject failure when it has come to COVID-19 management. The country is almost a perfect case study in what not to do during a pandemic.

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darkknight109 posted...

So, it's really kind of sad I have to do this, but you kind of need to read the entire sentence you're responding to if you don't want to make yourself look like an idiot.

You know you shouldn't throw around ad hominems like idiot if you're going to look like one yourself. You yourself stared that canada has 5 major cities compared to 10 in the US if we're going by populations over 1 mil. And if the rural/urban spread is roughly the same that means we have 330 mil spread over 10 major cities vs 30 mil spread over 5 major cities. 330/10 = 33, 30/5 = 6. This is of course without subtracting the rural percentage from the overall population but the ratio is the same anyway

darkknight109 posted...

He says with no source for his assertion.

See above

darkknight109 posted...

In what universe were we talking about "standard of living" in this topic?

I mean... we were comparing countries by various metrics. So your comparison metrics are ok to discuss but mine aren't?

darkknight109 posted...

Put it this way: the ENTIRE European Union, which has far more scattered governance compared to the US, has fewer cases and fewer deaths than the US, despite having half-again as many people in their borders.

You can try and torture the statistics of this as much as you like, there is no way to avoid the fact that the US has been an abject failure when it has come to COVID-19 management. The country is almost a perfect case study in what not to do during a pandemic.

You're the one torturing statistics here to make direct comparisons to Europe and the US. If the US had a population of 10 mil though im sure we'd be doing great by now

There's no point in even arguing with him, he's a Trump supporter where the facts are made up and logic doesn't matter. Trump supporter ideology is nonexistent aside from "liberals bad".

Canada has had 120,000 cases, vs the US having over 5,000,000. The US population is 9 times more than Canada, but they have 40 times as many cases. Population density can only be used to explain why northern Canada has had few cases. Both countries have a shit ton of stupid fucking people, but the differences in government response and cultural attitudes are clearly explanations for differences in infection rates.

The worst hit provinces in Canada, pound for pound, have been Quebec and Alberta, the provinces that have ALWAYS been known for having the dumbest people. I say that as someone who unfortunately lives in Alberta.

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OhhhJa posted...

You know you shouldn't throw around ad hominems like idiot if you're going to look like one yourself.

Yes, I shouldn't throw around ad hominems to someone who apparently can't remember their own argument. Remember this:

"Or maybe it's because Canada is mostly wilderness with like two major cities compared to the US having dozens of major cities."

That was the first thing you said in response to me. I pointed out, in response:

"Canadians aren't evenly spread out; we have a pretty similar urban/rural population split to the US."

And you literally just admitted I was correct about that in your last post and yet you're *still* trying to argue the point.

OhhhJa posted...

You yourself stared that canada has 5 major cities compared to 10 in the US if we're going by populations over 1 mil. And if the rural/urban spread is roughly the same that means we have 330 mil spread over 10 major cities vs 30 mil spread over 5 major cities. 330/10 = 33, 30/5 = 6.

Oh my gosh, this is torturous. Seriously, between this and the last time I had to explain ratios to you, I'm starting to think you never actually took a math course in your school years.

So, first of all - and I'm flat-out stunned I need to explain this - not all of Canada or the US lives in major cities! Some live in smaller cities with less than a million people, some live in smaller, non-city urban centres, some live in rural areas. Your math assumes that the entire population of both countries lives in just a handful of cities, which is straight up wrong.

Fuck me, you have the *actual* population of those cities one google search away. Spoiler alert: it's ~13.3 million for Canada (i.e. about a third of our population) in five cities versus ~25.8 million for America (i.e. less than a tenth of your population) in 10 cities; it is NOT 30 million (which, bizarrely, isn't even Canada's actual population) and 330 million because, holy shit of course it isn't.

So yes, a greater proportion of Canada's population lives in cities with over a million people than the US. That suggests our population is actually packed more densely than the US. If anything, we should be more vulnerable to the virus as a result, yet we've managed to get through it quite well, while the US has floundered.

OhhhJa posted...

See above

Even if this were true (and, as I just showed, it isn't), it wouldn't even prove your actual point, which is that US cities are "denser" than Canadian cities. That's not the same thing as saying they are more populous, because cities don't have uniform sizes; you can have cities that are more populous, but also more spread out, making the actual population density lower.

If you want to argue that American cities are "denser" than their Canadian counterparts, you'll need to back that assertion up with something more than the imaginary math you were using before.

OhhhJa posted...

I mean... we were comparing countries by various metrics. So your comparison metrics are ok to discuss but mine aren't?

Correct, because yours were about as relevant as discussing which country has more waterfowl. Remember, this was the original point of contention that you raised with my post:

"Or maybe it's because Canada is mostly wilderness with like two major cities compared to the US having dozens of major cities. No couldnt be that. It's probably because Canadians are so much smarter."

That's it. This entire topic has been about COVID-19; not comparing and contrasting quality of life between the US and some third world countries.

OhhhJa posted...

You're the one torturing statistics here to make direct comparisons to Europe and the US.

I mean, you were the one who said that the reason the US was so garbage at this whole COVID business was because it had so many people (even though literally every country on the globe that has more people than you guys do is doing better and the handful of countries that have worse metrics than the US also have much lower populations); I merely pointed out that, if you really want to do this by population, the US doesn't look any better. You could basically consider the EU as one country for this comparison, given that their member states act not dissimilar to states in the US.

I mean, take a look at what you've said so far. You've basically argued that "The US hasn't done so bad, as long as you only compare it to impoverished third world countries with nine-digit populations and terrible healthcare and also ignore the fact that the US is still somehow losing to those countries." Seriously, of all the countries that have at least 100,000,000 people, the only one that's even close to the US in terms of virus load is Brazil (not coincidentally being another country run by a populist right-wing lunatic); the rest all have per-capita virus numbers that are at least one order of magnitude lower than the US.

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Maybe Canada has less cases because theyve only done 4 million tests compared to the US which has done 68 million tests
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1028731/covid19-tests-select-countries-worldwide/

I can guarantee if Canada did as many tests as the US and tested asymptomatic people like we do, they would have pretty similar numbers. Other countries arent doing anything magical or special to prevent the virus, and our numbers here arent high just because we are dumb Americans. Thats a bullshit lie that has been fed to people by the media.

How many hours a day do you watch Fox News, TC?

MartianManchild posted...

I can guarantee

you literally dont know what words mean

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I would guarantee that if Canada had performed 68 million tests, their numbers would be in the millions too.

Revelation34 posted...

That's a serious question.

That's a mental block right there.

*Topic about Jen's breakup

Random poster: "Feminism and SJWs ruined my life"

*shitpost completely ignored

"Feminism is cancer and basically nazism soon everyone will be transgender, a man's life is hard"

*shitpost ignored

Repeat.

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Yellow posted...

They're trying to protect their kids the same way a pedophile tries to show affection.

What does that even mean?

Yellow posted...

That's a mental block right there.

*Topic about Jen's breakup

*shitpost completely ignored

*shitpost ignored

Repeat.

Man. I wish I was that good at ignoring and yet being able to remember things that clearly.


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MartianManchild posted...

I would guarantee that if Canada had performed 68 million tests, their numbers would be in the millions too.

I guarantee that if you made 68 million posts you couldn't make one good one

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Blightzkrieg posted...

I guarantee that if you made 68 million posts you couldn't make one good one

My posts are truthful and informative. Its just not the truth you want to hear.

MartianManchild posted...

I can guarantee if Canada did as many tests as the US and tested asymptomatic people like we do

we literally are though

please stop you have no idea what you are talking about

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MartianManchild posted...

Maybe Canada has less cases because theyve only done 4 million tests compared to the US which has done 68 million tests

Ah, yes, the favoured conservative talking point - "We only have more cases because we test more!"

Hate to break it to you bud, but you've got that perfectly backwards. You do more tests because you have more cases. Or, to put it more precisely, you do more tests because you need to do more tests because you have more people sick and dying and those people are sick and dying because they have the Coronavirus. And, as discussed ad nauseum, they have the Coronavirus because America is shit at pandemic management.

Most other countries aren't testing nearly as much because they don't need to - there's no sick people *to* test. The countries that actually instituted sensible lockdown procedures and sustained them for long enough to be effective (Canada included) saw huge drops in the virus counts and have since managed to keep the case numbers at a manageable level. Countries that put major efforts into contact tracing have been able to quickly isolate and quarantine anyone exposed, thus reducing the number of tests they've done. Meanwhile, in the US, a scattershot response and general negative attitude towards basically anything that would help combat the virus is ensuring it continues to run rampant there, with 5+ million infected, 160,000+ dead and no end in sight.

MartianManchild posted...

I would guarantee that if Canada had performed 68 million tests, their numbers would be in the millions too.

Ah, here's the problem - I've found another person who can't do basic math. I count at least three problems with your hilarious mangling of numbers:

1) If Canada had done 68 million tests, that would imply that they had tested every single person in the country approximately twice. They would have tested more, in terms of a percentage of their population, than anyone on the planet. And not just a little bit more either - counting countries with a population of at least 1 million, Canada would have tested more than triple the amount of the next country in line on basis of population (the UAE, which has tested a mere ~59% of their population).

2) Related to the above, you failed to correct for population, which gives a radically skewed impression of the data. On a population-adjusted basis, Canada has tested a little over half as much as the US (Canada has tested ~122k per million compared to ~208k per million for the Americans). If Canada was failing as hard as America was at addressing the virus and tests really did correlate to case numbers, you would expect that Canada would have roughly half as many cases as the US on a per-capita basis (and even that's being generous, because the tests are not randomized and would be more likely to have a higher positivity rate, assuming they were being prioritized on serious cases in this hypothetical); in reality, Canada has about a fifth of the cases per capita.

3) If Canada had "millions" (plural) of people infected with the virus, that would be roughly one in every ten Canadians infected, which would result in a massive spike in hospitalizations and deaths as well as rapidly turning the country into a giant plague cauldron, since once that much of the population had been infected there would be no stopping massive community transmission of the disease without hyper-aggressive quarantining and medical triage. The US has 5 million infections and 160,000 dead as a result; if Canada had that many people dying, I think we'd probably notice something was up. Since that plainly hasn't happened, I'm forced to conclude that your "guarantee" is full of shit.

Do you right-wingers actually think before you make your posts or do you just say the first thing that comes into your head without bothering to check if it has any basis in fact?

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Mead posted...

yeah sorry Ive actually misplaced the reports

Because they don't exist. SJWs are not feminists.
Which is what you would find people complaining about and not actual feminists.

darkknight109 posted...

I mean, you were the one who said that the reason the US was so garbage at this whole COVID business was because it had so many people (even though literally every country on the globe that has more people than you guys do is doing better and the handful of countries that have worse metrics than the US also have much lower populations);

Yes. China is totally doing better.
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Revelation34 posted...

Yes. China is totally doing better.

Like they literally are though

Are you so brainwashed that you cannot believe that a nation with an incredibly centralized government that had the biggest lockdown in the world managed to neutralize the virus better than you?

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Blightzkrieg posted...

Like they literally are though

Are you so brainwashed that you cannot believe that a nation with an incredibly centralized government that had the biggest lockdown in the world managed to neutralize the virus better than you?

The same country that let's very little information out?
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Revelation34 posted...

Yes. China is totally doing better.

Citation needed.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

Like they literally are though

Are you so brainwashed that you cannot believe that a nation with an incredibly centralized government that had the biggest lockdown in the world managed to neutralize the virus better than you?

The same country that throws anyone giving not "accepted" info about COVID in jail? Mass burning bodies? Has been lying day one about how the virus came into existence? And, like you said, is so fucking centralized that they control every bit of info that gets out? A country that had the fucking gall to claim Canada often breaks human civil rights? Are you SERIOUSLY alleging that anything or any data coming from the Chinese government can be taken seriously?

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Revelation34 posted...

The same country that let's very little information out?

Regardless of how much info is coming out (and it's not like the US is a stranger to suppressing covid cases) anyone can glance at the responses to the virus by both countries and intuit who did it better.

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faramir77 posted...

Quebec has very little in common culturally to the rest of Canada. This is like using Puerto Rico to compare to the US.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WULsZJxPfws

Blightzkrieg posted...

Regardless of how much info is coming out (and it's not like the US is a stranger to suppressing covid cases) anyone can glance at the responses to the virus by both countries and intuit who did it better.

Yeah walling in people alive is definitely better.
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Revelation34 posted...

Yeah walling in people alive is definitely better.

Citation needed.

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MartianManchild posted...

their country is soooo much better.

Right?

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Wheres the citations?

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FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...

Wheres the citations?

Right here. https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/sarcasm
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Revelation34 posted...

Right here. https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/sarcasm

No shit. Provide citations for what you meant. Oh wait, that would require reading articles and you've already demonstrated how horrible you are at that.

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Revelation34 posted...

Right here. https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/sarcasm

You see, this is why you're such a shitty poster. You always OCD contrarian post some no-answer, sarcastic comment that only ever amounts to "not-uh".

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I don't understand how someone can even pretend the US hasn't done an awful job when we have far and away the highest numbers of any country in the world. It's not like we are "doing poorly", we are severely doing the worst by such a margin that you just look silly trying to refute it. In my state the dumbass governor has made it illegal for county or city governments to require masks or make any kind of safety regulations (against even trump's covid task forces strong recommendation). My state is run by a damn super villain so of course we are doing horribly and cases skyrocketed until we reached our testing capacity.


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darkknight109 posted...

Ah, yes, the favoured conservative talking point - "We only have more cases because we test more!"

Hate to break it to you bud, but you've got that perfectly backwards. You do more tests because you have more cases. Or, to put it more precisely, you do more tests because you need to do more tests because you have more people sick and dying and those people are sick and dying because they have the Coronavirus. And, as discussed ad nauseum, they have the Coronavirus because America is shit at pandemic management.

Most other countries aren't testing nearly as much because they don't need to - there's no sick people *to* test. The countries that actually instituted sensible lockdown procedures and sustained them for long enough to be effective (Canada included) saw huge drops in the virus counts and have since managed to keep the case numbers at a manageable level. Countries that put major efforts into contact tracing have been able to quickly isolate and quarantine anyone exposed, thus reducing the number of tests they've done. Meanwhile, in the US, a scattershot response and general negative attitude towards basically anything that would help combat the virus is ensuring it continues to run rampant there, with 5+ million infected, 160,000+ dead and no end in sight.

Ah, here's the problem - I've found another person who can't do basic math. I count at least three problems with your hilarious mangling of numbers:

1) If Canada had done 68 million tests, that would imply that they had tested every single person in the country approximately twice. They would have tested more, in terms of a percentage of their population, than anyone on the planet. And not just a little bit more either - counting countries with a population of at least 1 million, Canada would have tested more than triple the amount of the next country in line on basis of population (the UAE, which has tested a mere ~59% of their population).

2) Related to the above, you failed to correct for population, which gives a radically skewed impression of the data. On a population-adjusted basis, Canada has tested a little over half as much as the US (Canada has tested ~122k per million compared to ~208k per million for the Americans). If Canada was failing as hard as America was at addressing the virus and tests really did correlate to case numbers, you would expect that Canada would have roughly half as many cases as the US on a per-capita basis (and even that's being generous, because the tests are not randomized and would be more likely to have a higher positivity rate, assuming they were being prioritized on serious cases in this hypothetical); in reality, Canada has about a fifth of the cases per capita.

3) If Canada had "millions" (plural) of people infected with the virus, that would be roughly one in every ten Canadians infected, which would result in a massive spike in hospitalizations and deaths as well as rapidly turning the country into a giant plague cauldron, since once that much of the population had been infected there would be no stopping massive community transmission of the disease without hyper-aggressive quarantining and medical triage. The US has 5 million infections and 160,000 dead as a result; if Canada had that many people dying, I think we'd probably notice something was up. Since that plainly hasn't happened, I'm forced to conclude that your "guarantee" is full of shit.

Do you right-wingers actually think before you make your posts or do you just say the first thing that comes into your head without bothering to check if it has any basis in fact?

Get a life outside this site.

Blue Bomber 99 posted...

Get a life outside this site.

Lmao are you 12 dude

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Lokarin posted...

it's weird how there's no news about this on, well, anywhere

It doesn't hurt Trump so...

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You know, during the last pandemic, people werent as fucking stupid.

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Ryan Reynolds begs out of control Canadians not to kill his mom.
https://tinyurl.com/yyx45xkz
Can't believe how reckless and irresponsible these Canadians are.

Quebec's been the worst province for cases pretty much since day one. They've had ~150% of Ontario's cases despite having ~60% of the population, accounting for roughly half of Canada's total case count with only a quarter of the country's population. That they're the ones to start getting really uppity about masks is not particularly surprising.

Revelation34 posted...

Yeah walling in people alive is definitely better.

It's more effective, at least. Nobody's commenting on the morality of it (it's very obviously bad), just that the response is likely to have been effective enough that it's not actually that hard to believe that they contained it better than the US has. The specific numbers can't be trusted, but the basic comparison of "who did more to control the virus?" pretty clearly leans in China's favour.

MartianManchild posted...

Ryan Reynolds begs out of control Canadians not to kill his mom.
https://tinyurl.com/yyx45xkz
Can't believe how reckless and irresponsible these Canadians are.

Did you even read that? He was making jokes about it.
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