Board 8 > Phoenix-verse TEW mod Topic 2: first we need to talk about parallel universes

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Tom Bombadil
08/09/20 7:46:34 AM
#1:


What is this?
Replacing and building off the old not-quite-completed 1006-verse, this will be a gigantic mod for the booking sim Total Extreme Wrestling 2020 (*knocks on wood*) crossing over many different fandoms and forms of media.

What's different this time?
The driving concept behind this one is that I am going to set it up such that I will never be in a position where I have to count on anybody else to do anything. That means I am planning for doing this entirely on my own, and if anybody chips in a bit, great! THAT means that this mod will only cover characters and media that I feel comfortable doing without help, which in turn means the mod is going to be a good bit smaller and almost entirely based around "my" stuff.

What can I do to help?
I'm still going to have this topic as a hub. I'll seek input and feedback on stuff from time to time. (at the beginning especially) I can also definitely use help with things like pics and bios that don't require you to do any direct messing with the mod. Eventually, playtesting will be a thing as well. But, the idea is that anybody can drop in or out of this topic at any point with minimal repercussions, so hopefully that means less pressure and stress for all parties concerned.

Progress/Schedule
Already in the game: India (Internet), about half of Oceania (actual wrestling)
Jul-Sep: OCN (Wrestling)
Oct-Dec: UK (RPGs)
2021
Jan-Mar: JPN (Misc.)
Apr-Jun: MEX (VNs)
Jul-Sep: USA (Anime)
Oct-Dec: CAN (Cartoons)
2022
Jan-Mar: EUR (Other gaming)
Spring: Some amount of tweak and polish and stuff
Summer: FWA5?????

End of July file:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/6umuqf0vle5cj5o/TEW2020.mdb/file
End of June pics:
https://www.mediafire.com/file/3gu971bb11wh2yj/Phoenix-verse.rar/file
Spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19KL7cVFAoRAmjlPuM7Ip_ukQvolq3EEwXG-LOo7jkb4/edit?usp=sharing

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Tom Bombadil
08/09/20 8:11:49 AM
#2:


Current main topic of discussion is replacing cancelled people with similar people, and while I'm at it I'll bring up the couple other "good timeline" kinda changes I was planning on.

Hulk Hogan: Possibilities include Muscle Power (but do I really want to make Muscle Power one of the biggest stars in the world?), Incredible Hulk (who I don't know as well), and Inoki (which isn't as fun). I'm not quite 100% sold on any of those yet.

Yoshiko: Best idea so far is Ryuko Matoi (who I guess could still stay in shonen anime too?) or Kiryu Coco (who is yakuza not yankii but eh close enough?)

Chris Benoit: Probably going to become the Rabid Wolverine James Logan unless somebody out there really likes Perry Saturn or smth

CHIKARA: The mysterious "Mr. SVB" appeared one day and instructed UltraMantis Black to start CHIKARA BLACK. Nobody's really sure why it sounds like a knockoff of something that doesn't exist, but with the financial backing of Leonard P. Chikarason, they have formed a weird amalgamation of our world's CHIKARA and Lucha Underground. Too bad Cueto's needed in B8WL.

Jim Cornette: Lost to Russo in a Loser Leaves Dimension match. I think we can actually get by without replacing him, but if I'm wrong he will be Brian Zane.

Sexy Star: Wasn't going to be in the mod to begin with but I have now made myself giggle with "Sexy Star Man"

Sammy Guevara: Gets to stay as long as he behaves

Icarus: Pit with a Kid Icarus alt. (it has been requested that I give Link a Zelda alt in exchange) Replaced in Smash with Dark Pit.

Mike Quackenbush: Was sacrificed to the Dark Gods to bring about CHIKARA BLACK. Not to worry, the Man of 1,000 Holds Dean Malenko is tearing it up in his stead.

Hana Kimura: Didn't make it onto Terrace House.

Nina Tucker: Lives with her mom and dog.

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Tom Bombadil
08/09/20 8:44:27 AM
#3:


going back through the old topic to make sure I have grabbed all the relevant info (I missed quite a few things actually so good thing I am doing that!)

CPU will perhaps be pleased to know that I have started to branch out from the Hololive rabbit hole and thus Lulu is now on the late entry list

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Tom Bombadil
08/09/20 9:09:44 AM
#4:


oh does Excalibur need a yeet? Ain't been following that one but it didn't seem as bad

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Tom Bombadil
08/09/20 9:36:59 AM
#5:


were all of the freebirds jerks or was it just hayes

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IhatethisCPU
08/09/20 9:43:26 AM
#6:


Having not heard about it before now, and from a quickish look over of the situation... it doesn't seem quite as bad. Apparently Human Tornado asked him and Kevin Owens to use slurs against him in-character in a storyline 15 years ago, and it's also apparently been discussed multiple times since. Excalibur asked to be taken off due to it, and they've both apologized for doing so looooong before now.

I think he's fine and doesn't need to go, honestly.

..And I'm fairly certain it's just Hayes, no real idea about Gordy and Roberts... and haven't really heard anything about Garvin, other than he's... apparently still alive.

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Maniac64
08/09/20 1:33:44 PM
#7:


Tom Bombadil posted...
oh does Excalibur need a yeet? Ain't been following that one but it didn't seem as bad
No.

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IhatethisCPU
08/09/20 2:14:01 PM
#8:


...also, since I *just* noticed, HECK YEAH LULU

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Tom Bombadil
08/09/20 2:54:45 PM
#9:


she won me over by being even less fazed by Getting Over It than Okayu

I was trying to avoid the nijisanji rabbit hole but it may be too late

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Tom Bombadil
08/09/20 7:56:13 PM
#10:


the topic about sonic OCs sent me down a rabbit hole and now I'm reading through a lady liveblogging her way through the entire Archie comic instead of banging out the last handful of WCW people

it's, uh, research for later? Sure.

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Tom Bombadil
08/09/20 10:02:16 PM
#11:


Few random thoughts

-I told y'all you could pull rank and get a handful of folks in whether I liked it or not, and I think I got some suggestions but I think eaed was the only one I saw give me a hard and fast list
-I think I also asked CPU to put a pin in some OCs for later, and now it is later
-The more I think about it, and the faster and looser we start playing with actual reality (much less fictional canon), the more inclined I am to take presentation and my own read over word of god and canon on some gender stuff. I feel like a lot of the time they're actually supposed to be trans and then somebody decided they needed to walk that back, anyway. >_> As with most things I post here, it's kinda up for discussion, but if I was putting these people in right this red hot:
Birdo is a girl
Poison is a girl if she even made the list
Naoto is a boy
Bridget is a girl
Astolfo is a girl
Chihiro is a girl
I think most of those spoilers are probably a 180 from how we've been doing them so there's still room for debate, while we're still in the realm of lighthearted happyfun topics that get nobody riled up ever.

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Tom Bombadil
08/09/20 10:42:41 PM
#12:


why does every pro wrestler peak (or at least hit the point where I want to represent them) at 38

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Tom Bombadil
08/09/20 11:50:03 PM
#13:


fell a good bit short of quota today and don't have much hope of catching up tomorrow but I'll figure it out

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IhatethisCPU
08/10/20 12:00:10 AM
#14:


...Oh right, the OC thing- ...pm me about that so we can talk about it, there're some... peculiarities to that situation ^_^''

...And those last three are factually and IC wrong, considering what they all call themselves IC

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Tom Bombadil
08/10/20 7:32:55 AM
#15:


1: You're RIGHT I'm just still kinda salty that's the direction they went with it but I at least wanna make Kanji bi because ships >_>
2: OK, you would know
3: Fair point!
4: I think all the conclusive evidence we get one way or another is a kinda throwaway line in one of the bonus modes. And maybe a pronoun from Monokuma who....is Monokuma. Canonically cis, yes, but....I feel like that's one of those times they just didn't wanna officially pull the trigger

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IhatethisCPU
08/10/20 7:49:31 AM
#16:


1. That's fair- annnd honestly that's fair ^_^
2. :D :D :D
3. :D :D :D :D
4 ...Well... considering what happens. It's... prooooobably the right call that they didn't. ...And this is reasonable to be doubtful, really. ^_^'''

...Also the OC stuff... is a bit... uh... complicated. ...then again there *is* over five years of events and relationships and it's still going, so ._.''

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eaedwards6400
08/10/20 12:53:57 PM
#17:


I think Hogan probably needs to stay as Hogan. He's Hulk FREAKING Hogan, as awful as he is off of wrestling TV he is quite possibly one of the biggest names in professional wrestling of all time.

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IhatethisCPU
08/10/20 1:42:06 PM
#18:


I'd call that a even better reason for him to go, personally. Just because he's currently one of the biggest names and has been for years/decades, doesn't mean he needs to stay one. Entertainers can and have faded into obscurity all of the time, no matter how big they used to be. Industries change, along with the viewerbase. ...Or should.

*Glares at Chris Brown somehow still having a career*

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Tom Bombadil
08/10/20 2:24:26 PM
#19:


I haven't figured out how I feel about it myself, but I would like to raise the counterpoint that this is 80s (IIRC) Hogan who has very much not faded into obscurity in his time

the counter-counterpoint being that it's my/our mod, not a super serious sim, and I/we can do whatever we dang please

speaking of which I'm about to put Wolverine in WCW

and the counterpoint to THAT is that he's still not weirder than Chucky or Robocop

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eaedwards6400
08/10/20 2:57:46 PM
#20:


Hogan is the only one on the list that I felt was worth mentioning, especially with Sammy being allowed to stay. In my personal opinion, which holds no water with it being your mod, was that Hogan was the only mega star on that list.

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IhatethisCPU
08/10/20 3:57:44 PM
#21:


Personally, I frankly think Hogan's a waste of oxygen and walking piece of shit as a person, despite his dollar worth on the marquee, who's really not worth arguing about. I'll drop the subject here. Made my opinion on the man known as it is.

...And y'know what, Spidey to WCW would make some sense too. They did have that Spidey ripoff for a short time, and Marvel ain't gonna sue in the Phoenix-verse, after all.

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Tom Bombadil
08/11/20 9:42:37 AM
#22:


man I wish either y'all agreed or I had a strong opinion; will continue mulling it over

in the meantime: in today's sim WCW is on the cusp of driving WWF AND WWE out of business, and their CW division is pretty rockin'
<img src="https://gyazo.com/d27bfe971b88d6929773f006095102cc.png">
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Also, AEW is ON DECK
11: Staff
12-16: Main roster (6/day)
17-19: Women+FA (~6/day)
20: Redetail

I'm also going to start doing one extra person a day until I at least clear out the backlog of people I missed yesterday, and possibly the substitutions and late additions as well

Think eaed was gonna maybe do Ortiz and Santana? (and Maniac was gonna do some one pieces but that's less soon) There's a sheet at the end if you still wanna do that.

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eaedwards6400
08/11/20 10:31:59 AM
#23:


oh yes! I can do that because those guys need to be in there! lol

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eaedwards6400
08/11/20 10:48:53 AM
#24:


I put Stats in for Santana and Ortiz following your template you put. Let me know what you think.

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IhatethisCPU
08/11/20 11:07:45 AM
#25:


I do appreciate when some things don't change! WCW cruiser div *ruling* being one of those things ^_^

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Tom Bombadil
08/11/20 3:51:32 PM
#26:


oh hey here's another fun one: Tessa Blanchard

haven't really been following that one but I understand to be just kinda generally a pain to deal with rather than having a specific issue? my leaning is to leave her in but I also don't really care

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Tom Bombadil
08/11/20 3:55:44 PM
#27:


Goldenboy doesn't actually need to be here does he?

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IhatethisCPU
08/11/20 4:40:43 PM
#28:


Tessa has racism and bullying allegations waged against her from her fellow wrestlers, along with the history of being a pain in the ass to work with. I don't particularly care for her, do lean towards tossing her as well but not quite as fervent about her getting cut as I am and was with certain others that have been cut/are getting anyway. ...Although I probably *should* be, considering the apparent problem she was with the Impact title and refusing to send it back to it in the middle of... all of this.

...And I don't... think so? I don't really know much about him, though. ...Never really been an Esports guy. ...Do see the one story about him signing with AEW last year, and he's still officially on AEW's roster, according to their page, but...

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Tom Bombadil
08/11/20 5:29:08 PM
#29:


Oh wait goldenboy is the only official cc I have for aew

Well jr is kinda color these days anyway isn't he

Or I could stop saving Taz to be a wrestler


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Tom Bombadil
08/11/20 8:40:33 PM
#30:


yeah Imma just pull Tazz

we are gonna be short on managers anyway and I am not sure I've ever actually seen him wrestle

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eaedwards6400
08/12/20 1:14:19 PM
#31:


You don't have Excalibur for AEW?

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Maniac64
08/12/20 1:16:40 PM
#32:


Just let me know when and what you need for OP

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Tom Bombadil
08/12/20 1:27:35 PM
#33:


I have Excalibur as PBP, is that not correct? So the current revision is a three man booth with JR and Excalibur as announcers and Tazz as color.

One Piece I need on the last tab anybody you super duper want in who's not:
Monkey D. Luffy
Roronoa Zoro
Buggy the Clown
Blackbeard
Nami
Captain Kuro
Toushirou Hitsugaya
Ulquiorra Schiffer
Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez
Kisuke Urahara (Staffer)

which I think last time we talked was
Crocodile
Doffy
Big Mama

but kinda up to you
and the time limit is, uh, next summer <_<

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eaedwards6400
08/12/20 1:33:57 PM
#34:


Oh no, you're right.

Toushirou Hitsugaya
Ulquiorra Schiffer
Grimmjow Jaegerjaquez
Kisuke Urahara (Staffer)

Are all Bleach characters, I can stat them, I didn't think you were keeping them but if you're leaning on needing them for roster size I am more than happy to do it. I loved to excel statting, that was easy for me, because my work computer is a Goodwill owned laptop I was never able to get the time to put things in myself and I know that's how I killed 1006-verse.

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Tom Bombadil
08/12/20 1:46:19 PM
#35:


I THOUGHT that was bleach but I wasn't sure lol

I think the story was I'm less likely to read Bleach someday than One Piece so I don't care as much about spoilers so I can research and do 'em myself? If you wanna jump in then by all means go for it but I think I've got it covered if you don't.

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IhatethisCPU
08/12/20 1:57:51 PM
#36:


On the plus side, at least Bleach actually ended some time back. ...Although apparently the anime's getting revived to cover the end of the series proper sometime next year


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Maniac64
08/12/20 2:11:09 PM
#37:


Hey One Piece is apparently going to end in about 5 years!

Also I know its who you remember but can we please get Kuro out of that list? It hurts me to see him and not other people. I would rather have freaking Django. Unless we are literally only making this East Blue which I guess we could do.

And if I have to keep it small I'd go Law, Doflamingo, Akainu, Smoker and Big Mom I guess.

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Tom Bombadil
08/12/20 4:36:05 PM
#38:


But I like him :(

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Maniac64
08/12/20 4:49:33 PM
#39:


Alright fine, as long as he is a jobber.

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IhatethisCPU
08/12/20 5:33:16 PM
#40:


(cue Kuro being booked by WWF/WCW to become one of the biggest names in wrestling ever seemingly out of spite, even though RNG and AI aren't programmed to be capable of that yet)

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Tom Bombadil
08/12/20 9:01:21 PM
#41:


the AI's current favorite is Dusty Rhodes so all bets are off I think

the following month they lost the number one contendership to The Men of Low Moral Fiber (Kenny Omega and Chuck Taylor),

HEY

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Tom Bombadil
08/12/20 10:34:50 PM
#42:


the good news is I think AEW is the first fed where I had enough people on the main roster

the bad news is that doesn't apply to their women's division even though I gave them pretty much everybody I've ever seen wrestle

I could give em uh *consults FA list* Mickie James and Lana? IDK help me out somehow the roster is currently
Riho
Britt Baker
Yuka Sakazaki
Hikaru Shida
Nyla Rose
Brandi Rhodes
Awesome Kong
Leva Bates
and I know there ARE other women but I don't know them like at all

maybe we keep them having a deficient women's division for accuracy <_<


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IhatethisCPU
08/13/20 2:27:34 AM
#43:


Uh... not.... wholly familiar, but checking the roster page, and for people that aren't in elsewhere.... Big Swole... Brandi, I suppose, Kris Statlander, Allie.... I have *no idea* who Abadon is but she's in there, and Penelope Ford seem apropos.

...Keeping them deficient for accuracy is also apropos, I feel. ^_^'''

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Maniac64
08/13/20 8:12:34 AM
#44:


Ford and Swole for sure should be on there. Statlander is also a regular.

Though honestly I'd just leave them without a womens division...

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Tom Bombadil
08/13/20 8:30:49 AM
#45:


y'know I DID cut WCW's women so that makes a lot of sense actually

under that plan I'd probably keep Brandi as a staff, Sakazaki and Nyla as FA, and TNA Kong (still as an FA but probably better than AEW Kong anyway)

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Tom Bombadil
08/13/20 7:53:50 PM
#46:


I am heavily leaning towards that plan but there are a couple days left to talk me out of it if there are objections

oh right jimmy havoc did stuff too didn't he; I'll ponder a replacement but I think there are enough dudes we could straight cut him

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TheSultanOfSlam
08/13/20 10:43:15 PM
#47:


Just add swole, statlander, and Brandi and call it a day

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Tom Bombadil
08/13/20 11:04:31 PM
#48:


I am afraid I would not know Penelope or Statlander or Swole if they walked up and slapped me

Entrant #600: Sabu

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eaedwards6400
08/14/20 1:52:28 PM
#49:


IhatethisCPU posted...
On the plus side, at least Bleach actually ended some time back. ...Although apparently the anime's getting revived to cover the end of the series proper sometime next year

Oh yay!

Tom Bombadil posted...
I am heavily leaning towards that plan but there are a couple days left to talk me out of it if there are objections

oh right jimmy havoc did stuff too didn't he; I'll ponder a replacement but I think there are enough dudes we could straight cut him

Yeah Jimmy Havoc was even cut by AEW themselves so if you cut him I don't think anyone blames him. Maybe you can do Kip Sabian and Penelope Ford as his manager to replace him? Or someone else? If you cut the women's division no one blames you in 2020 the women's division is really only Nyla, Shida, and Ford. With Britt and Swole doing a side story.

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08/15/20 1:34:44 PM
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so surprising fucking *nobody* NL's raised 15k in less than 2 hours to punch cancer in Canada with Evil Uno

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