Current Events > Real talk, why aren't police using laser guns by now?

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Stuff like this:
(Cool stuff is around 17:00)

https://youtu.be/W6FbUiiwutQ

We have technology that produces these insanely high powered lasers that can burn shit from far away in a fraction of a second. A separate YouTube channel had a video about how he bought a 200 watt laser online from some guy that makes them in his garage.

Why are cops still using bullets when something like this could potentially be just as effective at stopping a perp, but with a lower risk of instantly killing them?

Is it a cost thing? Or is it worry that it won't incapacitate someone the way a bullet would? Or is it just gun worship culture?

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The batteries don't exist.

Questionmarktarius posted...

The batteries don't exist.

What?

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The real question is do we want them using laser guns?

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Strider102 posted...

The real question is do we want them using laser guns?

God no

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Strider102 posted...

The real question is do we want them using laser guns?

I mean the way I look at it, getting shot in the head with a laser will burn you badly, maybe blind you, but won't kill you instantly the way getting shot with a bullet will.

I'd rather be blind than dead lol.

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they shouldn't be using guns at all, if their function is to 'protect' then why do they behave like an occupying force?

LostForest posted...

What?

You cannot get the amperage needed for a portable "crowd control" llaser.

LostForest posted...

I mean the way I look at it, getting shot in the head with a laser will burn you badly, maybe blind you, but won't kill you instantly the way getting shot with a bullet will.

I'd rather be blind than dead lol.

I'd rather not get shot at at all.


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Literally every time I see a topic start with "real talk," it's something incredibly stupid. Is this intentional? Am I missing out on some joke here?

LostForest posted...

I mean the way I look at it, getting shot in the head with a laser will burn you badly, maybe blind you, but won't kill you instantly the way getting shot with a bullet will.

I'd rather be blind than dead lol.

I'd rather not have to make the distinction between being blind or dead. I'd rather live without having to worry about that, especially considering the fact at any moment any of us can encounter a messed up situation that could leave us blind, injured, and/or dead.

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TheOtherMike posted...

Literally every time I see a topic start with "real talk," it's something incredibly stupid. Is this intentional? Am I missing out on some joke here?

Real talk just means the person is about to say something with their chest, no joke.

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"Disintegration ray" probably isn't possible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photodisintegration
It requires a gamma photon of an absurdly high wavelength that only exist when star implode.

Thanks for the scary video about lasers.

These easily available laser pointers can fuck your eyes up real good.

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I'm pretty sure using them is considered a war crime

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TheOtherMike posted...

Literally every time I see a topic start with "real talk," it's something incredibly stupid. Is this intentional? Am I missing out on some joke here?

Real talk means you're not joking.

In this case, I'm saying "Hey I know super laser pew-pew guns sound like something from SciFi, but they actually exist now, so why aren't cops using them?"

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Because they're not even trained well enough for their current equipment.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

You cannot get the amperage needed for a portable "crowd control" llaser.

See, I know nothing about laser physics. So that's why I'm asking. I see videos of people mounting these things to their cars and using them multiple times without any issue, so I don't really know what you mean by they don't have the batteries needed.

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LostForest posted...

See, I know nothing about laser physics. So that's why I'm asking. I see videos of people mounting these things to their cars and using them multiple times without any issue, so I don't really know what you mean by they don't have the batteries needed.

Are you expecting cops to carry around car batteries?

LostForest posted...

See, I know nothing about laser physics. So that's why I'm asking. I see videos of people mounting these things to their cars and using them multiple times without any issue, so I don't really know what you mean by they don't have the batteries needed.

Lasers beyond "ouch" do not exist yet,

Lost_All_Senses posted...

Because they're not even trained well enough for their current equipment.

Right but that's why I'm wondering if laser weapons would be better, since it seems like there's less than can go wrong.

Like, poorly trained police officer + firearm can easily result in dead person. From my (admittedly limited) understanding of powerful lasers, it seems like they could easily incapacitate someone without the possibility of instantly killing them.

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lolife67 posted...

Are you expecting cops to carry around car batteries?

They're not connected to car batteries. They're running off fairly small batteries, that seem portable.

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LostForest posted...

From my (admittedly limited) understanding of powerful lasers, it seems like they could easily incapacitate someone without the possibility of instantly killing them.

No.
"Severe thermal burn" or "permanent blindness" is the only result of current laser weapons.

Questionmarktarius posted...

No.
"Severe thermal burn" is the only result of current laser weapons.

A severe burn and being blinded isn't enough to incapacitate?

Like yeah I get that people on amphetamines and shit go super human lol, but I'm not suggesting to take away all guns from all police. But officers doing routine law enforcement on burglars, traffic stops, etc aren't exactly going after high profile threats on a daily basis either lol.

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LostForest posted...

A severe burn and being blinded isn't enough to incapacitate?

Like yeah I get that people on amphetamines and shit go super human lol, but I'm not suggesting to take away all guns from all police. But officers doing routine law enforcement on burglars, traffic stops, etc aren't exactly going after high profile threats on a daily basis either lol.

Do we really want beat cops to have blindness and radiation sickness as "deadly force"?

Even firing a laser capable of doing that much damage would probably instantly blind the operator and everyone around them without proper safety glasses

Source: Class 3B laser training. You weren't allowed in the room with the thing while it was operating without the right colored safety glasses
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Questionmarktarius posted...

You cannot get the amperage needed for a portable "crowd control" llaser.

Yeah you can. It just has to be mounted on like a tank or something.

A bigger problem is a laser that large will damage all kinds of things, not just people. It's probably safer to use a flamethrower.

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They need those microwave trucks to disperse crowds.

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MarqueeSeries posted...

Even firing a laser capable of doing that much damage would probably instantly blind the operator and everyone around them without proper safety glasses

Source: Class 3B laser training. You weren't allowed in the room with the thing while it was operating without the right colored safety glasses

And if you used that powerful laser in public, you'd blind EVERYBODY near by who doesn't wear eye protection.

That could be hundreds of people going blind because they busted out the laser.

Or you could potentially start a fire in a urban environment if you miss.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

A bigger problem is a laser that large will damage all kinds of things, not just people. It's probably safer to use a flamethrower.

this

LostForest posted...

Is it a cost thing? Or is it worry that it won't incapacitate someone the way a bullet would? Or is it just gun worship culture?

If you want "Non Lethal" options, Tazers are still the better option.

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Questionmarktarius posted...

this

Flame Thrower, seriously?

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KamenRiderBlade posted...

MarqueeSeries posted...

Even firing a laser capable of doing that much damage would probably instantly blind the operator and everyone around them without proper safety glasses

Source: Class 3B laser training. You weren't allowed in the room with the thing while it was operating without the right colored safety glasses

And if you used that powerful laser in public, you'd blind EVERYBODY near by who doesn't wear eye protection.

That could be hundreds of people going blind because they busted out the laser.

Or you could potentially start a fire in a urban environment if you miss.

The real danger is that even reflected beams off of matte surfaces can cause retinal damage from a class 4 laser. So if it hits any reflective surface it could easily blind a whole crowd, even standing away from the operator

The actual mechanism of it is quite nasty, essentially heating the water in your eye to the boiling point. Should definitely be considered a war crime if used by a militarized force
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MarqueeSeries posted...

The real danger is that even reflected beams off of matte surfaces can cause retinal damage from a class 4 laser. So if it hits any reflective surface it could easily blind a whole crowd, even standing away from the operator

The actual mechanism of it is quite nasty, essentially heating the water in your eye to the boiling point. Should definitely be considered a war crime if used by a militarized force

There's a reason why lasers are being used on US Navy Ships as "CIWS" supplement to bring down "Drones", "Missiles", "Bombs", etc.

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Because bad guys would all be carrying mirrors to deflect the laser back to the cop, duh.

KamenRiderBlade posted...

Flame Thrower, seriously?

Hell, why not?
Photon weapons are meh, cancer sometime later, well done meat, or atomic disintegration.

i don't think i got that order right.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Hell, why not?

Too easy to start a random wild fire.

Some officer uses their "Flame Thrower", and the wrong thing catches on fire, then the entire city burns down.

Sounds like a very dangerous idea.

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LostForest posted...

potentially be just as effective at stopping a perp, but with a lower risk of instantly killing them?

Read the bold word again. If a perp is that dangerous, "pottentially" is a hell of a bad deal. Now "likely" is a much better one. And a bullet will likely stop the perp. Either dying, thinking you're dying, or just being in a shit ton of pain tend to stop violent offenders.

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LostForest posted...

Real talk means you're not joking.

Then why is it that:

TheOtherMike posted...

Literally every time I see a topic start with "real talk," it's something incredibly stupid.

LostForest posted...

In this case, I'm saying "Hey I know super laser pew-pew guns sound like something from SciFi, but they actually exist now, so why aren't cops using them?"

See? This is an incredibly stupid thought.