Poll of the Day > Seth Rogen comes out as Anti-Israel.

(+) Yeah! (+)

It's going about as expected.

First video games and now this? The nerve!

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good

An anti Israel Jewish guy in Hollywood.

Interesting.

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Oh no. What a horrible thing to believe in.
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He's Canadian, so he doesn't have his lips sewn to Israel's ballsack quite so tightly.

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Next he'll finally admit that he's been hooking up with James Franco for years

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Metalsonic66 posted...

Next he'll finally admit that he's been hooking up with James Franco for years

Kinky.
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Blightzkrieg posted...

He's Canadian, so he doesn't have his lips sewn to Israel's ballsack quite so tightly.

He was Pro Israel up until recently. This is a new development.

THEGODDAMNBATMA posted...

He was Pro Israel up until recently. This is a new development.

Being anti Israel has been really trendy lately

OhhhJa posted...

Being anti Israel has been really trendy lately

Really cause a big group of Hasidic Jews are too. If I remember correctly its because according to scripture theyre not supposed to have actual land to call home UNTIL the messiah arrives.

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OhhhJa posted...

Being anti Israel has been really trendy lately

Maybe because people are finally seeing the truth.

sodium-chloride posted...

good

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Not surprised sjwfaqs is anti the only democracy in the middle east

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What'd Israel do this time?


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Wanded posted...

Not surprised sjwfaqs is anti the only democracy in the middle east

Palestinians deserve civil rights and political representation.

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Arent they two different groups of people who want to live in the same place because of their fake ass religions but cant because of their fake ass religions?

MICHALECOLE posted...

Arent they two different groups of people who want to live in the same place because of their fake ass religions but cant because of their fake ass religions?

If it was that I would be like "lulz, don't care"; the only legit greivance I can think of is that Palestine had its land taken by the post-WW2 treaties... but I don't know if Palestine was an axis power or not, so IDK.

As for modern Israel/Palestine - both are pretty human rights violatey so... again, SHRUG

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Mead posted...

Palestinians deserve civil rights and political representation.

*facepalm*
i know liberals are ignorant...but...i don't even know where to begin here lol

explain to me how palestinians don't have those things

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Wanded posted...

*facepalm*
i know liberals are ignorant...but...i don't even know where to begin here lol

explain to me how palestinians don't have those things

Wait, did he say they dont have those things or that they deserve to have those things?

Lokarin posted...

If it was that I would be like "lulz, don't care"; the only legit greivance I can think of is that Palestine had its land taken by the post-WW2 treaties... but I don't know if Palestine was an axis power or not, so IDK.

As for modern Israel/Palestine - both are pretty human rights violatey so... again, SHRUG

But didnt they take it in the first place?

idk this is one of those things I have a real hard time caring about

The far left is just as crazed and dangerous as the far right, sadly

HornedLion posted...

Really cause a big group of Hasidic Jews are too. If I remember correctly its because according to scripture theyre not supposed to have actual land to call home UNTIL the messiah arrives.

Even if that were true (don't know), having no homeland of their own hasn't exactly worked out too well for Jews over the past two millennia. Whether being taxed for their faith in Muslim lands (which is honestly the best conditions they had in the Middle Ages...), being relegated to the original ghettos throughout Europe, being tortured to death if they wouldn't convert in Spain (that escalated quickly!), lynch mobs called pogroms in Russia, and of course the Holocaust...
...Maybe it was time to stop taking the Bible/Torah so seriously and being the oppressed minority in every country they lived in?

Christianity has extremists and biblical literalists too. They're also rightfully ignored by everyone else.

MICHALECOLE posted...

Wait, did he say they dont have those things or that they deserve to have those things?

I don't see why he would say they deserve those things had he thought they have them, it would be as meaningless as me saying you deserve air

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Wanded posted...

explain to me how palestinians don't have those things

I dunno man

Why do you think we should be pro-Israel?

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Mead posted...

Palestinians deserve civil rights and political representation.

The Muslims living in Israel do have equal rights and political representation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_List

The Palestinians living in Gaza and West Bank aren't part of Israel.

streamofthesky posted...

The far left is just as crazed and dangerous as the far right, sadly

The far left doesn't exist.

Being "anti-Isreal" does not make you an anti-semite. This is some bullshit corporate Dems try to pull on you when you call out anything Isreal does.

Like calling out their severe human rights violations.
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2019/country-chapters/israel/palestine

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streamofthesky posted...

The far left is just as crazed and dangerous as the far right, sadly

Even if that were true (don't know), having no homeland of their own hasn't exactly worked out too well for Jews over the past two millennia. Whether being taxed for their faith in Muslim lands (which is honestly the best conditions they had in the Middle Ages...), being relegated to the original ghettos throughout Europe, being tortured to death if they wouldn't convert in Spain (that escalated quickly!), lynch mobs called pogroms in Russia, and of course the Holocaust...
...Maybe it was time to stop taking the Bible/Torah so seriously and being the oppressed minority in every country they lived in?

Christianity has extremists and biblical literalists too. They're also rightfully ignored by everyone else.

Ancient Egypt too.
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streamofthesky posted...

The Muslims living in Israel do have equal rights and political representation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_List

The Palestinians living in Gaza and West Bank aren't part of Israel.

way to spoil my build up :<

Mead posted...

I dunno man

...wouldn't that be something you should know before hating on an entire country for it though?'-'

Mead posted...

Why do you think we should be pro-Israel?

Why do you think i think you should be pro israel?
you can also be neutral and simply not go either way

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Pro Kingdom of Jerusalem.
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Wanded posted...

way to spoil my build up :<

Sorry, my bad. Just saw his post and responded b/c it was just so breathtakingly ignorant and dumb. I could delete it and you delete your post quoting it, maybe he didn't see it yet?

streamofthesky posted...

The Muslims living in Israel do have equal rights and political representation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_List

The Palestinians living in Gaza and West Bank aren't part of Israel.

You realize they and Mizrahi (of Arabic origin from southwest Asia or north Africa) Jews are still quite marginalized and treated as secondary citizens.

Mez Static Merizer posted...

You realize they and Mizrahi (of Arabic origin from southwest Asia or north Africa) Jews are still quite marginalized and treated as secondary citizens.

I don't know how true that is or not, but it's still a far cry from being marginalized to claim they don't have civil rights or political representation.
You could say the same about minorities in this country (I mean U.S....I kinda just assume everyone here is from there :p) being marginalized and treated as second class citizens with our unfair criminal justice system and such, but it'd be hyperbole to claim they don't even have political representation.

Wanded posted...

wouldn't that be something you should know before hating on an entire country for it though?'-'

thinking that everyone deserves basic rights is hardly hating on a country

if it is, then fuck that country

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streamofthesky posted...

Sorry, my bad. Just saw his post and responded b/c it was just so breathtakingly ignorant and dumb. I could delete it and you delete your post quoting it, maybe he didn't see it yet?

Kinda mean dude

Not everyone is some Israel expert, I was under the impression that a lot of Palestinians were being oppressed by Israel but I apparently didnt understand all the details, my bad

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streamofthesky posted...

The far left is just as crazed and dangerous as the far right, sadly

Even if that were true (don't know), having no homeland of their own hasn't exactly worked out too well for Jews over the past two millennia. Whether being taxed for their faith in Muslim lands (which is honestly the best conditions they had in the Middle Ages...), being relegated to the original ghettos throughout Europe, being tortured to death if they wouldn't convert in Spain (that escalated quickly!), lynch mobs called pogroms in Russia, and of course the Holocaust...
...Maybe it was time to stop taking the Bible/Torah so seriously and being the oppressed minority in every country they lived in?

Christianity has extremists and biblical literalists too. They're also rightfully ignored by everyone else.

To be fair, if your strategy is not to be easily rounded up en masse again, perhaps forming a homeland surrounded by bitter neighbors on all sides might not fit so well with that plan.

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Mead posted...

Kinda mean dude

Not everyone is some Israel expert, I was under the impression that a lot of Palestinians were being oppressed by Israel but I apparently didnt understand all the details, my bad

You really thought they couldn't even vote or hold office, though?

Like...that's a pretty negative view you must have of Israel to assume that... It is still a republic (representational democracy) like the U.S.

I thought that would be common sense

Yellow posted...

Being "anti-Isreal" does not make you an anti-semite. This is some bullshit corporate Dems try to pull on you when you call out anything Isreal does.

Sean Hannity is a Dem?

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MICHALECOLE posted...

Arent they two different groups of people who want to live in the same place because of their fake ass religions but cant because of their fake ass religions?

No religion is completely unrelated to the problem. It stems back to decisions the UK made after WW1 when they took the territory from the Ottoman Empire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wo2TLlMhiw

Mez Static Merizer posted...

You realize they and Mizrahi (of Arabic origin from southwest Asia or north Africa) Jews are still quite marginalized and treated as secondary citizens.

Yeah, this is blatantly false.
The relations between jews and muslims in israel isn't exactly lovey dovey but other than the law of return which restricts non jewish immigration into israel (which makes sense) i need you to show me what laws exactly discriminate against muslims, in fact muslims living in israel have more rights and freedoms than muslims living in muslim countries lol

The mizrahi jews claim is even more ludicrous i won't even bother with that
Mead posted...

I was under the impression that a lot of Palestinians were being oppressed by Israel

Ask yourself why is that, who exactly instilled that impression in you and what other impressions came from the same source that might need a second check....from a different source obviously....not a leftist one obviously...
Mead posted...

Not everyone is some Israel expert

There is expert level and there is "i watched a video on youtube once" level, most things said in this topic fall into the later

but yeah, you need like 2 degrees to still not know everything about this subject, this is heavy historical stuff and israel is even more politically complicated than the us (they had like 4 elections this past year and a half lol), that's why i automatically know everytime i see an israel topic it's gonna be full of nonsense

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Wanded posted...

Yeah, this is blatantly false.
The relations between jews and muslims in israel isn't exactly lovey dovey but other than the law of return which restricts non jewish immigration into israel (which makes sense) i need you to show me what laws exactly discriminate against muslims, in fact muslims living in israel have more rights and freedoms than muslims living in muslim countries lol

The mizrahi jews claim is even more ludicrous i won't even bother with that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel

Wanded posted...

who exactly instilled that impression in you

the Illuminati?

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Mez Static Merizer posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel

I read it all and can't find the discriminatory laws
if your argument is that there are racists in israel i need you to show me in which country exactly there are none, like i said the jewish-muslims relations isn't all peaches and cream and it goes both ways

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Mead posted...

the Illuminati?

You're asking me? i don't know where you get your info from and where you hang...other than here.

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israel shoudl be wiped out and palestine should stretch from the river to the sea. fuck them

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OniRonin posted...

israel shoudl be wiped out and palestine should stretch from the river to the sea. fuck them

Just mentioning "Israel" sure does get the scum of the earth to crawl out from their rocks and expose themselves right quick!

streamofthesky posted...

Just mentioning "Israel" sure does get the scum of the earth to crawl out from their rocks and expose themselves right quick!

where

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Sooo....I think the main takeaway here is that nobody really understands the history. There's a lot of misinformation, so that's not really surprising (not to mention that nobody remembers history anymore anyways). Here are a few bullet points that will provide the basics:

• Ancient Jews conquered land ("Israel") that was occupied by others, and they were - after a while - conquered by the Romans. Change was pretty constant in the Middle East as the centuries passed.
• After the Romans collapsed the area was eventually controlled by the Ottoman Empire and Muslims (ultimately "Palestinians") came to live there. I'm skipping hundreds of years here, but close enough.
• Jewish people lived as minorities in many countries and were, yes, often treated poorly.
• WWII happened, along with the Holocaust. The world rightfully realized that the Germans had attempted genocide against the Jews and there was much goodwill for the Jews. At the same time (understandably, given the raging antisemitism in Europe), a Zionist movement had been gaining steam whereby Jews were moving back to their ancestral homeland, "Israel", in a Palestinian territory that was kinda up for grabs following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire after WWI. (Note that "Israel" hadn't existed in more than 2000 years)
• This movement became a flood during/after WWII and (very long story short) the world (because of the holocaust) turned a blind eye as the Jews more or less pushed out the Palestinians. The Jews would say that their numbers grew legally and then the Palestinians chose to leave growing Jewish areas for their current refugee camps, but...yeah, that's only partially true at best.
• Palestinians are bitter and have launched terrorist campaigns. Surrounding countries have attacked Israel on the Palestinian's behalf, albeit no major attacks recently. Israelis resent the attacks/terror and are actively expanding into the Palestinian refugee areas because they think they have a God-given right to the land.
• Europe did indeed owe the Jewish people a heavy debt following WWII, although effectively rewarding them with Palestinian land (the Palestinians were not involved in WWII) just created a new group of geopolitical losers and shifted the problem. Britian sort of oversaw the area in protectorate fashion, but they could not claim to own it. It was not European land.
• Israel is a Western ally. However, they will never grant Palenstinians in the East Bank/etc the full right to vote because there are more Palenstinians than Israelis and the demographics are in the Palestinians favor: Israelis will lose primacy in the country if it is viewed as one country where everyone can vote. However, they will apparently never agree to a "two state" solution either, given the large numbers of fundamentalists who believe God promised them the entirety of Israel. Therefore, they are motivated to keep the Palestinians repressed indefinitely in the current situation. They, of all people, should understand that is not acceptable regardless of terrorism or the other (real) criticisms they hold against Palestinians.
• Western support for such a situation has (outside of Trump) rightfully been wearing thin. I would, personally, support either a one or two state solution, but the (purposeful) lack of ANY solution is not right...and I therefore cannot support Israel's leadership. I don't believe this makes me an antisemite.

So there you go: a wpot summary of the mess.

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Palestinian territory that was kinda up for grabs

What

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OniRonin posted...

What

All countries that currently exist were at some point land that was seized

wpot posted...

Israel is a Western ally. However, they will never grant Palenstinians in the East Bank/etc the full right to vote because there are more Palenstinians than Israelis and the demographics are in the Palestinians favor: Israelis will lose primacy in the country if it is viewed as one country where everyone can vote. However, they will apparently never agree to a "two state" solution either, given the large numbers of fundamentalists who believe God promised them the entirety of Israel. Therefore, they are motivated to keep the Palestinians repressed indefinitely in the current situation. They, of all people, should understand that is not acceptable regardless of terrorism or the other (real) criticisms they hold against Palestinians.

yeah this is not ok

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