Current Events > Women complain about "toxic masculinity."

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But men who are open about their feelings and have non-traditional views on being a man aren't the ones getting dates.

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Yes they do. Literally me.

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Orlando_Jordan posted...

But men who are open about their feelings and have non-traditional views on being a man aren't the ones getting dates.

What are you talking about of course they are

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Guide posted...

Yes they do. Literally me.

What is your non-traditional view of manliness?

WingsOfGood posted...

What is your non-traditional view of manliness?

That's pretty open-ended, but for a summary: You aren't obligated to be a combatant, nor hide your emotions, nor is it acceptable to fuck around behind your partner's back because "you're a man and you can't help it."

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You probably dont get dates because you spend your time trolling an internet message board

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Yes they are. You just have to have confidence and be charming as opposed to socially awkward.

so then you should be for feminism, because it seeks to break that mold

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Guide posted...

That's pretty open-ended, but for a summary: You aren't obligated to be a combatant, nor hide your emotions, nor is it acceptable to fuck around behind your partner's back because "you're a man and you can't help it."

That just sounds traditional tbh.

nfearurspecimn posted...

so then you should be for feminism, because it seeks to break that mold

Even feminists want a traditional Chad for dating purposes.

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Orlando_Jordan posted...

Even feminists want a traditional Chad for dating purposes.

stop buying into the bitter incel mindset and work on yourself, and you'll get laid one day

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MrToothHasYou posted...

What are you talking about of course they are

They do, but they arent usually the ones though who get the most woman and sex regardless, of however much of a broke, asshole misogynist said guys are.

So why should guys listen to woman in this regard when reality/woman(not all) are clearly and reguarly showing them the opposite?

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WingsOfGood posted...

That just sounds traditional tbh.

Traditional circa...?

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I tend to agree with TC. Not all the way, but yeah, I agree that most women are attracted to "manly" things like taking charge, or able to fix things around the house, and work on his car. They're also more attracted to bigger frames, deeper voices, ect.


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Guide posted...

That's pretty open-ended, but for a summary: You aren't obligated to be a combatant, nor hide your emotions, nor is it acceptable to fuck around behind your partner's back because "you're a man and you can't help it."

Since when is that last thing a part of traditional masculinity?

nfearurspecimn posted...

stop buying into the bitter incel mindset and work on yourself, and you'll get laid one day

Work on yourself means to become like a chad fyi.

Incels are typical unlike chad and not traditionally manly.

WingsOfGood posted...

Work on yourself means to become like a chad fyi.

Incels are typical unlike chad and not traditionally manly.

that's because you guys focus on women out of your league and insult women "beneath you"

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nfearurspecimn posted...

so then you should be for feminism, because it seeks to break that mold

Feminism are some of the first people to complain or make fun of men for showing emotions. And hell just look at how fast they use dick jokes or call people incels.

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Feminism can't change human nature. Women are always going to be attracted to strong manly men, not weak betas.

That's not being bitter it's just being realistic

nfearurspecimn posted...

that's because you guys focus on women out of your league and insult women "beneath you"

What you said makes 0 sense.

Lots of women are hypocrites, but so are a lot of men. Like how it's ok that they go around having sex with lots of women, but if a woman sleeps around she's a slut.

Lots of people just suck, but there are decent ones out there.

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Bad_Mojo posted...

most women are attracted to "manly" things like taking charge, or able to fix things around the house, and work on his car. They're also more attracted to bigger frames, deeper voices, ect.

This is correct.
Work on yourself means learning to take charge, be confident as in don't let anyone see your anxiety or that you are upset, speak with a clear vibrant and toned voice, workout to have a bigger frame,be interested in things that aren't video games and anime like hunting sports outdoor activity cars etc.

Which is ironic that people call this incel logic. Basically it is admitting that incels aren't manly and need to change to impress women.

The opposite would be that women find incels attractive with their small frames, high pitch voices, anxious attitude, being visibily upset, interest in anime and video games only.

Orlando_Jordan posted...

But men who are open about their feelings and have non-traditional views on being a man aren't the ones getting dates.

Sup.

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coh posted...

Since when is that last thing a part of traditional masculinity?

Its not at all, but hes been brainwashed into thinking it is.

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coh posted...

Feminism can't change human nature. Women are always going to be attracted to strong manly men, not weak betas.

That's not being bitter it's just being realistic

Right

And women can marry for love and be 100% happy in life even if they're not totally attracted to her husband. But it's crazy to think that women are not attracted to these Alpha men.

The issue with me growing up was that I listened these women who all said they hated men that hit on them all the time, so I believe that to be true and never hit on any of them. That = me not having any relationships. Over time, once I learned that I needed to be more aggressive and bold to attract females it was far too late because I didn't have the social skills to do it. Now I find it hard to talk to anyone, and at me age, I never will figure out those social skills

I'm not bitter, it's my fault. But it is true that was the biggest reason for my social issues - believing women really were turned off by alpha men, so I wasn't an alpha and never got anywhere in life

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@Bad_Mojo
It is even possible for a woman to pretend she doesn't like your flirting in thr moment when she actually does. They call this testing.

Bad_Mojo posted...

Right

And women can marry for love and be 100% happy in life even if they're not totally attracted to her husband. But it's crazy to think that women are not attracted to these Alpha men.

The issue with me growing up was that I listened these women who all said they hated men that hit on them all the time, so I believe that to be true and never hit on any of them. That = me not having any relationships. Over time, once I learned that I needed to be more aggressive and bold to attract females it was far too late because I didn't have the social skills to do it. Now I find it hard to talk to anyone, and at me age, I never will figure out those social skills

I'm not bitter, it's my fault. But it is true that was the biggest reason for my social issues - believing women really were turned off by alpha men, so I wasn't an alpha and never got anywhere in life

This is why men buying into everything women say is dangerous. By all means, support equal rights. But don't believe everything they say.

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WingsOfGood posted...

Work on yourself means learning to take charge, be confident as in don't let anyone see your anxiety or that you are upset, speak with a clear vibrant and toned voice, workout to have a bigger frame,be interested in things that aren't video games and anime like hunting sports outdoor activity cars etc.

Which equals, "Don't be yourself."

Yes, I agree with you in theory. Work out, be proud of who you are, go out and do things. I agree with all of that. The issues are that we are not perfect people and there are a lot of mental issues that happen in humans that prevent us from doing things we simply don't enjoy.

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Bad_Mojo posted...

Which equals, "Don't be yourself."

Yes, I agree with you in theory. Work out, be proud of who you are, go out and do things. I agree with all of that. The issues are that we are not perfect people and there are a lot of mental issues that happen in humans that prevent us from doing things we simply don't enjoy.

That is not about not being yourself. You can be a total gamer nerd who is also buff and has other interests outside of gaming.

you guys are fuckin bananas. be a good a person and youll have sex. it's literally that easy. if my dexter-ass can get sex on demand so can yall

fuck

CrimsonRage posted...

one day, people like tc will admit their shit personalities are why they can't get dates

Shit people get dates all the time.

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WingsOfGood posted...

What you said makes 0 sense.

makes perfect sense. usually incels hate "unattractive women" not even realizing they are fucking unattractive themselves

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I4NRulez posted...

You probably dont get dates because you spend your time trolling an internet message board

The irony.

People who say things like this usually don't know the difference between being open and being whiney. Whiney isn't attractive to anybody on either side. It's just something you put up with if the good things overshadow it.

Like how this topic is whiney and unattractive.

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

People who say things like this usually don't know the difference between being open and being whiney. Whiney isn't attractive to anybody on either side. It's just something you put up with if the good things overshadow it.

Like how this topic is whiney and unattractive.

fuck that. people that are suffering can't always differenciate between what is whiney or a true pain and often the pendulum swings hard to the "you're whining" side of things unfairly

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nfearurspecimn posted...

fuck that. people that are suffering can't always differenciate between what is whiney or a true pain and often the pendulum swings hard to the "you're whining" side of things unfairly

I'm not saying that doesn't happen, that would be stupid. But look who TC is.

There's a reason I use words that "usually". Im not gonna cover every base in these low effort topics

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What's this incel topic?

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A lot of women do still prefer traditional masculinity.

That doesn't mean there's not plenty of women who appreciate a man in touch with his emotions. The only constant is I haven't met very many women who aren't attracted to confidence. Something men don't tend to value in women nearly as much.

If you're a sensitive dude, just be a confident sensitive dude. Someone who isn't afraid to be their true self.

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Not wrong

BettyWhite posted...

If you're a sensitive dude, just be a confident sensitive dude. Someone who isn't afraid to be themself.

This guy gets it. Don't keep needing reassurance. That's the unattractive part. If you need reassurance all the time, go see a therapist and figure out why. If you make effort towards addressing it, Ill have some sympathy

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WingsOfGood posted...

That is not about not being yourself. You can be a total gamer nerd who is also buff and has other interests outside of gaming.

My issue isn't gaming. My issue is that after so long of not talking to women, I don't find myself having fun when I'm talking to people. I don't have any social skills and I can't just gain them. I don't drive, never have, makes me have a mental breakdown when I try. Can't change that. Why would I be into cars if I don't drive?

Live alone, always have. Zero interest in spending money one stupid shit to put around my house. If people came over, sure, maybe, but nobody does, so why waste the money? Years and years of this = not understanding why anyone would waste money on stuff = having zero interest in the dumb stuff people buy and show me at work and want to to say, "yeah, that's really cool," and lie with every word. Or I can tell them the truth that they've wasted money on something they didn't need.

Being alone makes you not open up and talk about yourself, and it makes working without talking very easy. But people with good social skills HAVE to talk, so they talk and talk and I listen and pay attention. They fake being excited for things as well, and then they tell me what they really think. Not so much to gossip, but because I don't talk they just go on and on. They bitch about someone to me, and then they're all smile and friendly with them, being all into what they're talking about and showing off. And not just one of them, all of them. So when they say positive things to me, do they really mean it or am I the only one they don't talk about badly behind their back?

I know a relationship would be good for me, and I want to feel good, but I just can't stand people in general. Again, everyone really likes to be around me because I make them feel at ease, but they all just drive me nuts.

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coh posted...

Since when is that last thing a part of traditional masculinity?

"He can't help it, he's a man?" I'm surprised you haven't heard of this before.

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Prismsblade posted...

They do, but they arent usually the ones though who get the most woman and sex regardless, of however much of a broke, asshole misogynist said guys are.

So why should guys listen to woman in this regard when reality/woman(not all) are clearly and reguarly showing them the opposite?

If you just want to get laid, this is great. If you want to be in shitty relationships, this is also great.

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CrimsonRage posted...

then work on that. focus on improving your mental health before trying to get a date.

no don't get me wrong I'm not looking to date anyone right now

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Most heterosexual women are attracted to masculinity.

I know, wild concept

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Most heterosexual women are attracted to masculinity.

I know, wild concept

Wild concept, the adjective "toxic" modifying the noun "masculinity".

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