Current Events > IYO, should well educated people be forced to work minimum wage?

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if there are no other jobs available?

I mentioned on a discussion somewhere that instead of extending the extra $600 on unemployment, why not apply for minimum wage jobs as a temporary job while waiting for their previous jobs to be available again?

IIRC, McDonalds, Dunkin donuts, KFC, or Popeyes are hiring

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In general, or specifically for pandemic related unemployment?

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Of course, though I'm not sure what that has to do with PUA

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g980 posted...

In general, or specifically for pandemic related unemployment?

specifically for pandemic related unemployment

I know people who think theyre above these jobs because they went to school and got an education but if they arent working.... anything is good if they dont have nothing....

who cares if they made big money before

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well-educated people are often forced to work minimum wage jobs

I mostly think that people should be able to live a decent life working a minimum wage job, even if they don't have full-time hours

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ReDaZnDraGoN97 posted...

specifically for pandemic related unemployment

I know people who think theyre above these jobs because they went to school and got an education but if they arent working.... anything is good if they dont have nothing....

who cares if they made big money before

It's irrelevant because there are way fewer available jobs than unemployed workers

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My only objections would be that:
A) they are taking a job from someone who isnt qualified for other work
B) it could make it harder for them to search for jobs where they can leverage their skills
C) employers eat the cost of an inevitably short lived employee

Other than that, i am on board. No one is above any work, and i think there is something particularly character building about working food service

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^employers eat that cost anyway for a job like fast food. employees go in and out of that job fast.

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More people out working during a pandemic is the opposite of what's good for the country.

During the 2008 recession there were MA holders working at gas stations etc.

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I don't know about "forced," but the responsible thing to do is to find another source of income if you are strapped for cash between jobs. I never been a fan of the notion of being too good for a job.

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Balrog0 posted...

It's irrelevant because there are way fewer available jobs than unemployed workers

There is? I see 'for hiring' signs constantly still for jobs like grocery, restaurant, gas station, retail in general delivery and so on, same as before the pandemic. If most people lowered their standards enough they can find a job easily still.

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Prismsblade posted...

There is? I see 'for hiring' signs constantly still for jobs like grocery, restaurant, gas station, retail in general delivery and so on, same as before the pandemic. If most people lowered their standards enough they can find a job easily still.

Any jobs that don't require you to put yourself/family at risk?

LightBurn posted...

Any jobs that don't require you to put yourself/family at risk?

Being unemployed, broke, starving, and at risk of eviction unlike the virus is a guarantee and should be of a much greater concern depending on your circumstances.

Otherwise generally only comfy white collar jobs you can work long distance allows this.

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Prismsblade posted...

There is? I see 'for hiring' signs constantly still for jobs like grocery, restaurant, gas station, retail in general delivery and so on, same as before the pandemic. If most people lowered their standards enough they can find a job easily still.

Its literally a function of capitalism that there will always be more unemployed people than available jobs.

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Prismsblade posted...

Being unemployed, broke, starving, and at risk of eviction unlike the virus is a guarantee and should be of a much greater concern depending on your circumstances.

That's the purpose of extending unemployment benefits. To keep people safe and allow them to pay bills. We're just prolonging the pandemic the more people we have working customer facing jobs

Shablagoo posted...

Its literally a function of capitalism that there will always be more unemployed people than available jobs.

lol

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LightBurn posted...

That's the purpose of extending unemployment benefits. To keep people safe and allow them to pay bills. We're just prolonging the pandemic the more people we have working customer facing jobs

Doeasnt do any good for the vast majority still working said jobs, ensuring society functions and pays their bills.

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Prismsblade posted...

There is?

Yes.
https://www.glassdoor.com/research/job-market-report-june-2020/

U.S. job openings rose to 4.9 million, rebounding 10 percent since early June. Job openings are still down 23 percent from the pre-crisis peak, but have rebounded to 2017 levels as the labor market further distances itself from March lows.

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Squall28 posted...

lol

The capitalist owners goal is to have labor at as cheap a cost as possible. Thus, the supply of labor needs to be higher than the demand for it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_army_of_labour

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Shablagoo posted...

The capitalist owners goal is to have labor at as cheap a cost as possible. Thus, the supply of labor needs to be higher than the demand for it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_army_of_labour

Reserve army of labour is a concept in Karl Marx's critique of political economy.

lol. Karl Marx was a NEET who sat around mooching off his rich friend while theorycrafting a bunch of shit without ever validating anything. Stop consuming his garbage.

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The concept existed well before Marx. Tell me the last time we had a 0% or virtually 0% unemployment rate. (Hint: It was before capitalism.)

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Balrog0 posted...

Yes.
https://www.glassdoor.com/research/job-market-report-june-2020/

U.S. job openings rose to 4.9 million, rebounding 10 percent since early June. Job openings are still down 23 percent from the pre-crisis peak, but have rebounded to 2017 levels as the labor market further distances itself from March lows.

its still nowhere near pre-pandemic levels though. many industries are still shut down.

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Shablagoo posted...

The concept existed well before Marx. Tell me the last time we had a 0% or virtually 0% unemployment rate. (Hint: It was before capitalism.)

Please tell me about this glorious time before capitalism.

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Shablagoo posted...

Its literally a function of capitalism that there will always be more unemployed people than available jobs.

"For capitalism to flourish there must be an abundant supply of working-poor." [ IDR who said this... ]

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Squall28 posted...

Please tell me about this glorious time before capitalism.

I didnt say anything about glorious. I said unemployment is a function of capitalism. Idk why you took offense to that, but here we are.

andri_g posted...

"For capitalism to flourish there must be an abundant supply of working-poor." [ IDR who said this... ]

Yeah, well-put!

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