Current Events > Why don't Stormtroopers just wear Mandalorian armor?

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Seems like the Empire should be able to furnish that.

It's secret tech only the mandalorians have.

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So basically the Empire couldn't even invade and steal that tech, because they'd be at a huge disadvantage due to not having that armor.

Now, on to my next question: Why does storm trooper armor seem to be so terrible? One shot always kills them. From what I've seen, not wearing any armor at all might actually provide more defense against laser blasts.

Ewoks were legit strong enough to tear a man apart.

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Lorewise, stormtrooper armor provides protection against glancing blows.

A direct hit will still be fatal.

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YellowMustard69 posted...

So basically the Empire couldn't even invade and steal that tech, because they'd be at a huge disadvantage due to not having that armor.

Now, on to my next question: Why does storm trooper armor seem to be so terrible? One shot always kills them. From what I've seen, not wearing any armor at all might actually provide more defense against laser blasts.

The purpose of the armor is to provide an intimidating symbol of crushing faceless order. The Empire doesn't care about keeping its countless cannon fodder dudes protected, they are replaceable.

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It's expensive material I think. The armor was mostly inherited and reforged (making limited new material was produced). It's probably way cheaper to replace a storm trooper than a suit of Mandalorian armor.

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Resources essentially. Elements are limited/rare in the SW Universe too.

in the EU they do invade mandoalore, and mine a fuck ton of the iron used to make the armor. but its secret is in how its processed, not just that its special medal, so it was fairly worthless to the empire.

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It's not just the metal, but the means to make it, and the Mandalorians guard their secrets well, even before the Purge.

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Wasn't it a massive plot point in The Mandalorian that that metal was really rare and valuable?

Mandalorians made the armor a specific way which is why it was so good, they NEVER shared that secret with outsiders and choose death rather then telling the empire the secrets.

Storm trooper armor is also worse then any of the clone trooper armor because the empire doesnt give a shit about the rank and file only that it looks intimidating. The republic did care about the clones and kept improving the armor as the war went on to keep more troopers alive.

Palpatine was a cheap bastard with most things not death star or special project related.

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While we're talking about the Mandalorian I have a question.

I saw it for the first time last week, so I'm a bit slow on all of the lore.

But why does it seem that nobody knows about the Jedi? It was, what, 40 years since the Old Republic collapsed? The rebels used "May the Force be with you" as their slogan and they were numerous. Why did nobody know who the Jedi were?

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I don't like this excuse of it being deliberately bad armor because it just undermines how stupid it is to poorly equip your military just to emphasize how stereotypically evil the Empire are.

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ZMythos posted...

While we're talking about the Mandalorian I have a question.

I saw it for the first time last week, so I'm a bit slow on all of the lore.

But why does it seem that nobody knows about the Jedi? It was, what, 40 years since the Old Republic collapsed? The rebels used "May the Force be with you" as their slogan and they were numerous. Why did nobody know who the Jedi were?

There weren't that many Jedi, only around 10,000 Jedi across the entire galaxy.

The average person never saw a Jedi in their lifetime.

PokemonYoutube posted...

Wasn't it a massive plot point in The Mandalorian that that metal was really rare and valuable?

Yes and like CyricZ said it's a matter of how the material is actually processed to make the Mandalorian armour.

ZMythos posted...

Why did nobody know who the Jedi were?

Even in A New Hope the officers in the Empire expressed that it was believed to be an ancient tradition, until Darth Vader has to choke a bitch. Rogue One also backs this up.

If you think about it, planets and systems once held by the trade federation during the clone wars would have much less information available to them about the Jedi than the Empire who basically used Jedi for special ops.


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@WarfireX
I doubt it, most money goes to super weapons, Palpatine could not care less about the normal troops only that they impose his will.

Look at how he gave Vader a shitty suit to both punish him and make it painful for him.

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ZMythos posted...

While we're talking about the Mandalorian I have a question.

I saw it for the first time last week, so I'm a bit slow on all of the lore.

But why does it seem that nobody knows about the Jedi? It was, what, 40 years since the Old Republic collapsed? The rebels used "May the Force be with you" as their slogan and they were numerous. Why did nobody know who the Jedi were?

palpatine did his damndest to erase the existence of the jedi.

WarfireX posted...

I don't like this excuse of it being deliberately bad armor because it just undermines how stupid it is to poorly equip your military just to emphasize how stereotypically evil the Empire are.

i dont know what current cannon is considered. but the EU cannon went that the empire chose quantity over quality. they started making much cheaper/faster clones instead of the fett clones from kamino, which had much worse training. so why kit them out in republic era clone armor that was much more expensive when that money could be better spent building star destroyers/death stars/other super weapons.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

@WarfireX
I doubt it, most money goes to super weapons, Palpatine could not care less about the normal troops only that they impose his will.

Look at how he gave Vader a shitty suit to both punish him and make it painful for him.

I mean, the comics covered how the armor he had was actually badass and gave him multiple cybernetic augmentations, like being able to fight in the vacuum of space. That seemed a lot cooler because he wasn't just a vicious Force user, but a hybrid of magic and science in the SW Universe.

If you haven't read the Darth Vader comic by Kieron Gillen it is def worth it.

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ZMythos posted...

While we're talking about the Mandalorian I have a question.

I saw it for the first time last week, so I'm a bit slow on all of the lore.

But why does it seem that nobody knows about the Jedi? It was, what, 40 years since the Old Republic collapsed? The rebels used "May the Force be with you" as their slogan and they were numerous. Why did nobody know who the Jedi were?

Apparently there were only about 10.000 Jedi during the Clone Wars. That's not a whole lot for a galaxy with probably trillions of inhabitants. And the Empire did a pretty thorough job of erasing everything Jedi-related after Order 66.

The_Ivory_Man posted...

There weren't that many Jedi, only around 10,000 Jedi across the entire galaxy.

The average person never saw a Jedi in their lifetime.

This doesn't make any sense. Their home was at the capital of the Republic, their tales were passed around in taverns all over. Even Outer Rim systems like Tatooine were no strangers to Jedi.


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The_Ivory_Man posted...

There weren't that many Jedi, only around 10,000 Jedi across the entire galaxy.

The average person never saw a Jedi in their lifetime.

This. There are billions upon billions of sentient beings on hundreds of thousands of planets in the Star Wars universe, most have never even heard of the Jedi.

On top of that Palpatine launched a dedicated campaign to erase any and all mention or details of the Jedi in any kind of historical database, and spread propaganda that all their Force mumbo jumbo was bullshit. Helped to downplay the Jedi and made sure no one knew what he himself (or Vader) really was.

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YellowMustard69 posted...

So basically the Empire couldn't even invade and steal that tech, because they'd be at a huge disadvantage due to not having that armor.

Now, on to my next question: Why does storm trooper armor seem to be so terrible? One shot always kills them. From what I've seen, not wearing any armor at all might actually provide more defense against laser blasts.

1. There's no point in stealing from the mandalorians since they're already willing to work for the empire for far cheaper than an invasion would cost.

2. The rank & file troops are disposable. Hell depending on who you ask, very senior level officials are disposable. Vader nearly executed Motti on a whim and Palpatine was more than happy to throw Vader under the bus for a chance at getting Luke Skywalker.

3. There's no evidence most of the storm troopers die. They fall down but it's very possible for them to survive being shot by blasters which are less deadly than light sabers and people survive being maimed by light sabers without any armor at all.

4. Even if they did die they're made in a clone factory. Flesh and bone is cheap, as is plasmoid armor. Mandalorian armor is expensive and needs to be recovered if you lose it.

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ZMythos posted...

This doesn't make any sense. Their home was at the capital of the Republic, their tales were passed around in taverns all over. Even Outer Rim systems like Tatooine were no strangers to Jedi.

Weren't Qui Gon and Obi Wan the first Jedi (at least since the new republic) to visit Tatooine, like, ever?

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WarfireX posted...

I don't like this excuse of it being deliberately bad armor because it just undermines how stupid it is to poorly equip your military just to emphasize how stereotypically evil the Empire are.

I mean look at their TIE Fighters. The X-Wings and A-Wings were all fundamentally superior in every way to the TIE. The TIEs were just mass produced cheaply because they could throw hordes of them at the rebels for every single X and A Wing the rebels could field. Rebels also had the Y-Wing but it was technological inferior to the TIE save for the fact that it had shields and a hyperdrive.

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The_Ivory_Man posted...

There weren't that many Jedi, only around 10,000 Jedi across the entire galaxy.

The average person never saw a Jedi in their lifetime.

Also didnt the empire discourage, and censor the subject?

Makes sense the younger people and those on the outskirts barely know em if at all

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Weren't Qui Gon and Obi Wan the first Jedi (at least since the new republic) to visit Tatooine, like, ever?

Watto knew about their mind tricks (as did Jabba the Hut later on, even knowing the Jedi themselves by name)

Anakin even knew who Jedi were by hearing stories of pilots and smugglers.

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The only people who would know about the jedi are people that live on Coruscant, people who have survived a fight with a jedi, someone saved by them, or someone talked about them.

Most of the galaxy did not even know what the force was since only some can tap into it and even then unless you know what your doing its hit or miss.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

The only people who would know about the jedi are people that live on Coruscant, people who have survived a fight with a jedi, someone saved by them, or someone talked about them.

Wouldn't every planet in the Republic know since they all had some stake/stance in the war, which was being spearheaded by the Jedi?

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@ZMythos
Depends if you got the holo net or whatever they get their news on, if they watch it and if they did or did not believe Palpatines anti jedi propaganda post CW.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

@ZMythos
Depends if you got the holo net or whatever they get their news on, if they watch it and if they did or did not believe Palpatines anti jedi propaganda post CW.

But labeling Jedi as the bad guys is way different from pretending they don't exist.

The empire was built on that premise.

Not even the wise/old characters in Mandalorian seemed to know.

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ZMythos posted...

Wouldn't every planet in the Republic know since they all had some stake/stance in the war, which was being spearheaded by the Jedi?

Maybe the leadership of those planets, but I doubt the general populace cared much about the Jedi. Especially since Count Dooku, the public figurehead of the Separatists, was a former Jedi. A great deal of people thought the Jedi were to blame for the entire war in the first place, so they definitely didn't mind when Palpatine erased all knowledge of the Jedi from the galaxy.

PokemonYoutube posted...

Maybe the leadership of those planets, but I doubt the general populace cared much about the Jedi. Especially since Count Dooku, the public figurehead of the Separatists, was a former Jedi. A great deal of people thought the Jedi were to blame for the entire war in the first place, so they definitely didn't mind when Palpatine erased all knowledge of the Jedi from the galaxy.

OK but to the point where nobody recognizes them? 40 years isn't that long to forget what was written as a terrorist organization. And remember that Mandolorian happens after the fall of the Empire. The rebels all knew of the Jedi by proxy, and news that the Empire was toppled by a Jedi spread fast if we look at the (special edition) ending of Episode 6.

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Because the Star Wars universe is fictional.

But honestly yeah there should at least be a elite unit of Storm Troopers wearing that junk defending the Death Star or the emperor himself even if its hyper expensive.

What about this?

Empire has built a couple functional death stars. They could have sent a message to the Mandalorions...give us your armor or we destroy you with the death star. That's what I would have done.

The Empire subcontracted to the lowest bidder. On everything.

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*Palpatine erased the Jedi*

*Rey has heard all about them*

It wasn't that they were erased. They were made mythical. The Mandalorian gets this slightly wrong. Plenty of people know about them.

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YellowMustard69 posted...

What about this?

Empire has built a couple functional death stars. They could have sent a message to the Mandalorions...give us your armor or we destroy you with the death star. That's what I would have done.

The first Death Star was used only once and then destroyed. At the time the focus was wiping out the Rebellion. After that, maybe they would have threatened Mandalore, who knows?

The second one wasnt completed before it was destroyed.

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The first death star they fucked around with destroying Alderan. They could have phoned the mandalorians and said *hey look what we can do to your people" just before they destroyed Alderan.and the mandalaroiaans would have been like oh shit here's our armor.

YellowMustard69 posted...

The first death star they fucked around with destroying Alderan. They could have phoned the mandalorians and said *hey look what we can do to your people" just before they destroyed Alderan.and the mandalaroiaans would have been like oh shit here's our armor.

why? they had a space station capable of blowing every one of their problems up. why waste time suiting up their toy soldiers?

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It's a safe bet that Mandalorian armor is more expensive. The contracts for armor and weapons probably go to whoever can do the job the cheapest and still produce enough.

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InfinityMonster posted...

*Palpatine erased the Jedi*

*Rey has heard all about them*

It wasn't that they were erased. They were made mythical. The Mandalorian gets this slightly wrong. Plenty of people know about them.

Rey happened after the empire was defeated and Luke started forming a new Jedi order. That's not really a good example of anything.

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K181 posted...

The Empire subcontracted to the lowest bidder. On everything.

Including Vader's fucking suit and helmet according to Wookiepedia. Basically the Empire was created out of nothing but deceit, manipulation, and tree fiddy lmao.
https://youtu.be/FVzc20Bm8Xo

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Has anyone ever done a full write up on basic stormtrooper armor and what its basic abilities and protections are?

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SH_expert44 posted...

Has anyone ever done a full write up on basic stormtrooper armor and what its basic abilities and protections are?

Probably in one of the star Wars RPGs. Either D6 or D20.

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YellowMustard69 posted...

What about this?

Empire has built a couple functional death stars. They could have sent a message to the Mandalorions...give us your armor or we destroy you with the death star. That's what I would have done.

Yeah all that would do is goad the Mandos into attacking and probably destroying the Death Star and likely an alliance with the Rebels. You also gotta remember that they're not a centralized culture for the most part and have clans all over the galaxy so a threat like that towards Mandalore would be met with "lol bring it on" from most of them.

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I see.

Id suggest digging into some of the Star Wars Lore channels on YouTube. I can almost guarantee this topic is covered in the extended universe.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Rey happened after the empire was defeated and Luke started forming a new Jedi order. That's not really a good example of anything.

But she had heard the same things Han had back in ANH.

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Murphiroth posted...

Yeah all that would do is goad the Mandos into attacking and probably destroying the Death Star and likely an alliance with the Rebels. You also gotta remember that they're not a centralized culture for the most part and have clans all over the galaxy so a threat like that towards Mandalore would be met with "lol bring it on" from most of them.

This, the mandolorians would see it as a great war to get involved with since they were challenged. They also would have sided with the rebels ASAP and rained down unholy hell onto the empire since they LOVE war and combat which is why every clone had mando culture since Jango wanted them to have pride in themselves.

It would have gone hilariously bad for the empire if they declared war on Mandalore to the point Boba Fett would have been a hero fir the rebels as he still had strong ties to his culture.

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