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Politics
07/09/20 12:55:59 AM
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Like if you think you are being discriminated against because of your appearance, why would you support fascism? Feminists are the ones fighting against the patriarchal standards of beauty.

If you have social anxiety or depression, why would you support capitalism? Socialists are the ones fighting to make healthcare a human right so you can get medication or see a therapist.

Fascism is about the survival of the fittest, social Darwinism if you would. Hitler would literally try to weed these people out of society. Progressives are the ones trying to make the world a more accepting place with more resources. It just makes no sense to me why these people are right wing >_>

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MutantJohn
07/09/20 12:57:10 AM
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Incels internalize the toxic masculinity they can't live up to and instead blame externalities instead of themselves.

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Herodopus
07/09/20 12:57:19 AM
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They feel they've been constantly hurt by people, so they want to hurt others. It's small dick energy but it's that simple imo
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Verdekal
07/09/20 12:59:30 AM
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I don't get why they like the "begone thot" meme.

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Samman123
07/09/20 1:00:48 AM
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Incels are not complicated. They can't get a piece of ass and then it just escalates from there

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B-Factor
07/09/20 1:00:58 AM
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I don't think feminists do nearly as adequate a job of fighting male gender standards as they do female gender standards.
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MutantJohn
07/09/20 1:01:54 AM
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B-Factor posted...
I don't think feminists do nearly as adequate a job of fighting male gender standards as they do female gender standards.

Bingo

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TreyFlowers
07/09/20 1:01:59 AM
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Incels are the worst kind of people, the kind that blame everyone else for their shortcomings instead of analysing their life and actually trying to improve it.

"Why can't girls like me for me?" maybe because you're a piece of shit?

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Politics
07/09/20 1:02:05 AM
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B-Factor posted...
I don't think feminists do nearly as adequate a job of fighting male gender standards as they do female gender standards.

One of the main points of 4th wave feminism which came to life in the 2010s is to put emphasis on the fact that the patriarchy hurts men too >_>

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Solid Snake07
07/09/20 1:02:51 AM
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Pretty sure virginity isn't a political stance

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B-Factor
07/09/20 2:45:36 AM
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TreyFlowers posted...
Incels are the worst kind of people, the kind that blame everyone else for their shortcomings instead of analysing their life and actually trying to improve it.

"Why can't girls like me for me?" maybe because you're a piece of shit?

Plenty of bad people still have partners. You can't seriously accuse some ignored shy dude of being worse than some guy who beats women, yet the latter still attracts more partners.
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Pepys Monster
07/09/20 2:57:14 AM
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I thought the OP would say something like "it's not THAT hard to get laid if you have a job and take care of yourself somewhat."

Politics posted...
Like if you think you are being discriminated against because of your appearance, why would you support fascism? Feminists are the ones fighting against the patriarchal standards of beauty.
Feminists are not fighting against muscular, tall, good-looking men being shown in movies, games, and TV shows.

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If you have social anxiety or depression, why would you support capitalism? Socialists are the ones fighting to make healthcare a human right so you can get medication or see a therapist.
I'm not sure on this one. Most of them don't have high-paying careers and resent "Chads" for making six figures.

Politics posted...
Fascism is about the survival of the fittest, social Darwinism if you would. Hitler would literally try to weed these people out of society. Progressives are the ones trying to make the world a more accepting place with more resources. It just makes no sense to me why these people are right wing >_>
Perhaps a lot of incels are actually left wing.

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josifrees
07/09/20 3:03:07 AM
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Lmao the patriarchal standard of beauty as applied to men is basically be rich.

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berlyman101
07/09/20 3:14:04 AM
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As far as I can tell, incels (whom identify with incel culture) are often struggling with mental and physical health issues. To be sure, it seems like self-loathing is at the core of their pain. They feel they've been written off and have no healthy way of solving their problems, so this community is their only outlet for their frustrations. Part of the culture is changing one's appearance, or fantasizing about it, and the idea is that with some changes one would be able to get laid, have a girlfriend, etc.

The analysis is usually inaccurate, of course, and exacerbating matters is that the culture is actually toxic. I say that because most of them engage in despair rather than using a problem-solving approach. The feeling is that actual progress is unobtainable, unclear, ineffective, or unbearable. They are unable to integrate and are unable to process the contradictions of contemporary life and basically are lost.

These guys are often in a place where they have no outlet other than the message boards they frequent. The hatred for themselves may be matched by hatred for others in a few of them.

The predicament of incel culture is that if one acted in a healthy, productive way and made the sacrifices to escape their own poisoned thinking, they would

1) Have to do it on their own because the culture discourages this, and

2) No longer be an incel after some period of time and thus no longer need to be associated with this toxic and misunderstood culture

Some will find outlets that allow them to keep their views, such as PUA culture. Some will move toward some sense of healthy improvement and some will hold on to their worst aspects and some will radicalize.

Contrapoints has a video on it that breaks it down from a rare perspective :

https://youtu.be/fD2briZ6fB0

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coh
07/09/20 3:16:55 AM
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Who says incels support those things

they certainly wouldnt support capitalism since all they do is stay at home leaching off everyone else
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berlyman101
07/09/20 3:17:46 AM
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And to answer TC more directly, those who believe in looks-maxing and the like live in a fantasy where they are perfect and others are lesser to them. It's the sort of egotism that would thrive under fascism so that part is no wonder to me.

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cuttin_in_farm
07/09/20 3:17:50 AM
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coh posted...
they certainly wouldnt support capitalism since all they do is stay at home leaching off everyone else

Do you know what an incel is? At all?

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coh
07/09/20 3:18:37 AM
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cuttin_in_farm posted...
Do you know what an incel is? At all?
Guys who cant get laid and blame others?
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cuttin_in_farm
07/09/20 11:01:35 AM
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coh posted...
Guys who cant get laid and blame others?

Not necessarily. Youre adding on negative attributes for no reason.

But my main issue is you saying they stay home and leech. Thats a neet or whatever.


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KogaSteelfang
07/09/20 11:23:04 AM
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TreyFlowers posted...
"Why can't girls like me for me?" maybe because you're a piece of shit?
This is me, I guess.

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