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Bio1590
07/07/20 12:40:51 AM
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https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/06/888026874/ice-foreign- students-must-leave-the-u-s-if-their-colleges-go-online-only-this-fa

Foreign students attending U.S. colleges that will operate entirely online this fall semester cannot remain in the country to do so, according to new regulations released Monday by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

As college students across the United States and around the world contemplate what their upcoming semester might look like, the federal guidance limits options for international students and leaves them with an uncomfortable choice: attend in-person classes during a pandemic or take them online from another country.

And for students enrolled in schools that have already announced plans to operate fully online, there is no choice. Under the new rules, the State Department will not issue them visas, and U.S. Customs and Border Protection will not allow them to enter the country.

"Active students currently in the United States enrolled in such programs must depart the country or take other measures, such as transferring to a school with in-person instruction to remain in lawful status," read a release from ICE's Student and Exchange Visitor Program. "If not, they may face immigration consequences including, but not limited to, the initiation of removal proceedings."

The agency said students already in the country and faced with a fully online course of study may take alternative measures to maintain their nonimmigrant status, "such as a reduced course load or appropriate medical leave."

The rule applies to holders of F-1 and M-1 nonimmigrant visas, which allow nonimmigrant students to pursue academic and vocational coursework, respectively.

More than 1 million of the country's higher education students come from overseas, according to the nonprofit Institute of International Education.

Typically, foreign students are limited in how many online courses they can take and are required to do the majority of their learning in the classroom, according to immigration lawyer Fiona McEntee. Once the pandemic struck, students were given flexibility to take more online classes but only for the spring and summer semesters.

"It's an unprecedented public health crisis, and I don't think it's too much to ask for the allowances that they made to continue, especially given the fact that we clearly, quite clearly do not have a handle on the pandemic here right now, unlike other countries that have," McEntee said. "This makes no sense."

McEntee said the decision is especially puzzling given the value of foreign students, which is quantifiable economically.

According to an economic analysis by NAFSA: Association of International Educators, international students studying at U.S. colleges and universities contributed $41 billion and supported 458,290 jobs during the 2018-2019 academic year.

McEntee added that losing foreign students is a huge blow to university budgets, something that will impact domestic students as well. Similarly, the decision to attend classes in person impacts all students present.

"If students can study online successfully from an academic point of view, why are we forcing them to come into a situation where they could put their health at risk and also the health of their classmates at risk?" she asked.

Students attending schools operating as usual will remain bound by existing federal regulations that permit them to take a maximum of one class or three credit hours online.

Students attending schools implementing a hybrid model can take more online classes or credits, though their school must certify "that the program is not entirely online, that the student is not taking an entirely online course load this semester, and that the student is taking the minimum number of online classes required to make normal progress in their degree program."

The announcement comes as higher education institutions are releasing frameworks for reopening in the fall semester. Schools are preparing to offer in-person instruction, online classes or a mix of both.

Eight percent of colleges are planning to operate online, according to the Chronicle of Higher Education, which is tracking the reopening plans of more than 1,000 U.S. colleges. Sixty percent are planning for in-person instruction, and 23% are proposing a hybrid model, with a combined 8.5% undecided or considering a range of scenarios.

Harvard University is one of the latest institutions to unveil its plans, announcing on Monday that all undergraduate and graduate course instruction for the academic year will be held online. Nevertheless, the university plans to bring 40% of undergraduates, including all freshmen, onto campus.

Harvard President Larry Bacow said in a statement emailed to NPR that the ICE policy is "a blunt, one-size-fits-all approach to a complex problem."

"We must do all that we can to ensure that our students can continue their studies without fear of being forced to leave the country mid-way through the year, disrupting their academic progress and undermining the commitmentsand sacrificesthat many of them have made to advance their education," the statement said.

School reopening plans may be subject to change because of the evolving nature of the pandemic, especially with daily case totals continuing to break records in parts of the country.

In acknowledgment, the agency instructs schools to update their information in the Student and Exchange Visitor Information System within 10 days of making the switch to online-only classes.

Immigration lawyer McEntee, a former international student herself, said leaving for school can be challenging enough, not to mention during a pandemic and in a landscape of near-constant immigration restrictions. She called the new rule, both in substance and timing, "not right."

"This is not the America that I think foreign students come to live in," she said.

The American Council on Education, a higher education lobbying group, also condemned the rule change in a statement issued Monday afternoon. ACE President Ted Mitchell said the guidance "provides confusion and complexity rather than certainty and clarity" and called on ICE to rethink its position.

"At a time when institutions are doing everything they can to help reopen our country, we need flexibility, not a big step in the wrong direction," he wrote. "ICE should allow any international student with a valid visa to continue their education regardless of whether a student is receiving his or her education online, in person, or through a combination of both, whether in the United States or in their home country, during this unprecedented global health crisis."


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teepan95
07/07/20 12:42:35 AM
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Extremely fucked up

And totally not racist!
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Questionmarktarius
07/07/20 12:43:35 AM
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If it's online, does it matter where you are?
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tremain07
07/07/20 12:45:13 AM
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Seems like that racist fuck head Miller's mitts all over this and more Trump pandering to his racist ass base, he's one day short of dropping a racial slur to the cheers of his cult

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DEKMStephens
07/07/20 12:45:36 AM
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I guess the us doesn't want international student revenue for the next year or so

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Zikten
07/07/20 12:46:59 AM
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this will effect every Chinese student in the US. won't this make Xi mad at Trump?
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RadiantAdolin
07/07/20 12:47:18 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
If it's online, does it matter where you are?
Yes, absolutely. For one, time zones are a thing, for two, they have a life set up here and are being told for no reason they need to uproot it when they might not have anywhere to go at home.
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lincoln002
07/07/20 12:47:58 AM
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Article was too long. So does that mean some students are going to be trapped here because there's no international flights? That is truly messed up. If they can go home they should though, I don't see why they would want to stay here if the classes are all online. That's just my personal take on the matter.

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ASithLord7
07/07/20 12:48:49 AM
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lincoln002 posted...
Article was too long. So does that mean some students are going to be trapped here because there's no international flights? That is truly messed up. If they can go home they should though, I don't see why they would want to stay here if the classes are all online. That's just my personal take on the matter.
Good thing nobody gives half a flying fuck about your personal take

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teepan95
07/07/20 12:49:55 AM
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Meanwhile, in an actual first world country:

https://www.dw.com/en/how-germany-is-helping-international-students-in-times-of-coronavirus/a-54041753

Eventually, she turned to the advice office for international students at her university and there she learned about the additional student loans currently on offer from Germany's KfW state development bank. These are now also available to students without German citizenship, part of the government package hoping to help struggling students.

"Such a broad package for students from an education ministry is unique in European terms, perhaps even in international terms," raved Education Minister Anja Karliczek when presenting the package at a press conference last month.

Sharma says she's not too worried about getting in over her head. The monthly installments of 650 she's eligible for from July until next March are interest-free at first.

As it stands, though, the comparatively low interest of around 4% will kick in from April. And 18 months after the first bank transfer, the first repayments will be due. But Sharma says the required minimum rate of around 20 per month is reassuringly low. She is also confident longer terms of finding a job and bringing her personal finances back into order.

The young physicist is one of around 8,000 international students to have applied for such assistance since May. The students applying come mainly from Iran, India, Bangladesh, Syria, and Tunisia. They all had to wait one month longer than the German students claiming similar assistance.


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Bio1590
07/07/20 12:59:17 AM
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Actually, I wonder if this is the Administration trying to strong-arm universities into offering in-person classes just so they can say things are normal or some shit.
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teepan95
07/07/20 1:00:43 AM
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Bio1590 posted...
Actually, I wonder if this is the Administration trying to strong-arm universities into offering in-person classes just so they can say things are normal or some shit.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1280209946085339136?s=20
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CADE FOSTER
07/07/20 1:01:03 AM
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Trump and his entire administration are racist fuck them
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_Rinku_
07/07/20 1:03:42 AM
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lincoln002 posted...
Article was too long. So does that mean some students are going to be trapped here because there's no international flights? That is truly messed up. If they can go home they should though, I don't see why they would want to stay here if the classes are all online. That's just my personal take on the matter.
Do you understand that it's an infection risk if all of these students go from the US (which is a coronavirus hotbed right now) back to hundreds of different home countries? The virus does not give a damn that a student is international; it'll infect them all the same.
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Bio1590
07/07/20 1:06:34 AM
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MarqueeSeries
07/07/20 1:08:46 AM
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Pretty interesting to see how one by one the predictions come true

This is just the beginning of America losing more and more of its skilled work force
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tremain07
07/07/20 1:11:05 AM
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They're doing this so feverishly I really do wonder which groups are going to profit from a collapsed economy with thousands dead

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CableZL
07/07/20 1:11:42 AM
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tremain07
07/07/20 1:17:57 AM
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Bullet_Wing posted...
Trump is scared as fuck about losing reelection and he's started getting high on his own supply and believing the shit about the "silent majority". Stuff like this appeals to the 'dey tuk ar jerbs!' crowd
This, he's gone full "THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS A CORONAVIRUS" now and he's got the political muscle willing to force this narrative no matter what because Republicans are not only scared of him, they know they without him they will lose so he's hoping he can rewrite reality enough that he can eek out a win anyway

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Bio1590
07/07/20 9:57:47 AM
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Guide
07/07/20 10:04:28 AM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
If it's online, does it matter where you are?

What if you have nowhere else to go?
What if they already have a contract with their ISP?
What if where they go has shit internet?

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butthole666
07/07/20 10:04:39 AM
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Unironically abolish ICE and charge every former agent

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thronedfire2
07/07/20 10:08:05 AM
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So what happens when every country bans travel from the US?

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CableZL
07/07/20 11:48:08 AM
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thronedfire2 posted...
So what happens when every country bans travel from the US?

The wall will finally be done

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Bio1590
07/07/20 11:55:12 AM
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thronedfire2 posted...
So what happens when every country bans travel from the US?

Yeah that'll be an interesting one.

Like countries can't ban their citizens from entry but if there's no flights going where you need to go then how the fuck are you supposed to get home?
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Questionmarktarius
07/07/20 12:13:45 PM
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RadiantAdolin posted...
Yes, absolutely. For one, time zones are a thing, for two, they have a life set up here and are being told for no reason they need to uproot it when they might not have anywhere to go at home.
Yet another reason why Affidavit of Support should be opened up to everyone for anyone.
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Antifar
07/07/20 9:54:27 PM
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Bio1590
07/07/20 10:03:39 PM
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ScazarMeltex
07/07/20 10:04:41 PM
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I really, really, really, want to see the people who work for ICE get what they deserve.

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ASithLord7
07/07/20 10:04:52 PM
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UnholyMudcrab
07/07/20 10:06:53 PM
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divot1338
07/07/20 10:09:03 PM
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This is simple. University just schedules the class to meet in a classroom on the last day before finals. Then have the professor cancel the class.

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CADE FOSTER
07/07/20 10:12:21 PM
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Antifar posted...
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/633695559900073984

always an exact opposite of what ever Trump says old tweet of his
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Zikten
07/08/20 3:09:31 PM
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at least one college is working to keep them. I just saw something on CNN about a school that is working to set up 1 "in person" class for exchange students to go to just to satisfy the new law and prevent them from being deported. it might not even be a real class. just like study hall or something. it's just to override Trump basically
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divot1338
07/08/20 5:36:48 PM
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Zikten posted...
at least one college is working to keep them. I just saw something on CNN about a school that is working to set up 1 "in person" class for exchange students to go to just to satisfy the new law and prevent them from being deported. it might not even be a real class. just like study hall or something. it's just to override Trump basically

divot1338 posted...
This is simple. University just schedules the class to meet in a classroom on the last day before finals. Then have the professor cancel the class.


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