Current Events > "Black people kill other black people at a much high rate

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Also, if it hasnt been said...there are more black people than cops. Also an overwhelming majority of white people are killed by other white people, etc.

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boxington posted...

I'm tired of this "both sides" rhetoric.

It's called reality. If you can't see that you're just naive

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RamboCell29 posted...

I'm all for the idea of BLM but you better believe all the white liberals won't be headed to the neighborhoods where blacks are dying daily to help.

Aaron Brooks said it best: "when crack cocaine hit our(him and Michael Vick) neighborhood, the only white people we saw were insurance salesmen and Jehovah's Witnesses"

No I dont think it is white liberals' responsibility, but when come as preachy as they do it be easier to swallow if they walked their talk

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Sure, but plenty of people on the left would rather put their head in the sand and not have that discussion either.

Which to me, is the biggest problem we currently have with the discussion of what it means to be black in America today. Large segments from both sides are unwilling to have an honest conversation about a lot of issues in black american communities, including interactions with law enforcement.

That's not true at all, the ongoing fight for black on black crime as you call it has always been an issue that we as a community has tried to solve. Its not easy with constant racism going on alongside cops killing us as well.


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Sabram posted...

The argument is more that there's a disproportionate amount of news coverage and overall faux outrage over it than what the actual events should warrant. Where's the protest marches when a white person is killed by a black cop? Or when a black cop is killed by a latinx person?

Where are the cries for reform and refunding the police when a white cop kills a white person? There isn't any, because it isn't sensationalist enough and you can't harp on timeless griefs like "racism" for it. Not to say there aren't racist cops out there of course, but I can guarantee there's more people of any race or nationality that hate cops more than there are racist cops.

See, you jump to sensationalism isn't of considering any other possible factor in why a particular dynamic gets focus, and that's just disingenuous.

Is there no distinction between "white cops killing black people" and "latino cops killing white people" you can think of? No different dynamic at all?

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Black people in this country are poorer. Poorer neighborhoods have higher crime. Neighborhoods with higher crime have higher rates of interactions with law enforcement. None of these things are happening in a vacuum.

And the one time a black neighborhood dared to be rich, they got bombed.
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Solid Snake07 posted...

It's called reality. If you can't see that you're just naive

fence-sitting isn't "reality"; these issues that we're talking about have been gone over time and time again in black communities, with so-called black leaders pushing the dialogue for decades, but they continue being a problem because of historical and contemporary racism

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puppy posted...

We are saying that, according to statistics, only 9 unarmed black people were killed by cops last year (Or 13 if you include some others who have questionable weapons). 48+ cops were killed last year, and I dont know the number, but WAY more than 9 white people were killed by cops last year.

Our argument is, why the protests only when it fits a narrative? Meanwhile, Chicago is breaking records every weekend with black on black crime.

Statistics man, they dont lie, nor follow agendas. Thats the rights argument..

Bad stats all around.
Lets look at some of the stuff you try to pull.

First you said 9 black people were killed while unarmed. This truth14 were. And this isn't counting how you pushed it up to 13.
Then you said a lot more then 9 white people people were killed . So you are comparing unarmed black people killed, to all white people killed. What type of logic is that?
Chi-town has nothing to do with this. Moreover there are more dangerous places in the US.


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Sabram posted...

The argument is more that there's a disproportionate amount of news coverage and overall faux outrage over it than what the actual events should warrant. Where's the protest marches when a white person is killed by a black cop? Or when a black cop is killed by a latinx person?

Where are the cries for reform and refunding the police when a white cop kills a white person? There isn't any, because it isn't sensationalist enough and you can't harp on timeless griefs like "racism" for it. Not to say there aren't racist cops out there of course, but I can guarantee there's more people of any race or nationality that hate cops more than there are racist cops.

White people have the power to do all that and white people could have always protested that as well. You don't get it, white people have all the power so and could always march and defund the police and we wouldn't be in this situation we are in if they'd have done it in our steed. White people aren't a minority in america, not by a long shot. You don't see it because most of the time white people aren't affected enough for it to be a problem and aren't going through the racism that black people are going through.

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one of the biggest problems with race is y'all refuse to listen to actual well intentioned black folk who try to educate you goofballs on black people's viewpoints/feelings on issues and frequently yell over them due to thinking you are smarter than everything darker that runs into your path (if you also think police killings are the only form of police brutality than lol)

frankly blacks as a collective in this nation are laughably over policed , often singled out for having the audacity to be working class and Black in this *White nation, subjected to often excessive punishment often supported by the non black majority who thinks most black citizenry in this country are two steps of being part of some Vietcong like 5th element and "well they should be kept in their place", when many suggest this marginalization is the direct cause of crime issues in some black sub communities it is often dismissed by many who feel that Blacks don't appreciate their lot in life that this nation has afforded them (like Black Americans haven't been a key part of American history and shit) or some goofy pull yourself up by bootstraps nonsense.

y'all are goofy, boring to debate and I see through the bullshit of you expressing faux concern to a subgroup that many of you struggle to often view as being of the same American stock as you and entitled to the full and equal protection and rights of the Constitution that many of y'all quote but love to cherry pick over.

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Bananana posted...

puppy posted...

*fart noise*

Typical liberal reply. Brain dead.
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The numbers Mason. What do they mean?

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The protest currently seem to be centered almost entirely around crinimal rights. Which is important, dont get me wrong. But helping black youths before they reach that point should be of a greater priority.

Of which I dont really see how defunding, let alone abolishing the police helps much in this regard. Idk, this just feels like a insanely missed opportunity for the better in my opinion.


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Sabram posted...

The argument is more that there's a disproportionate amount of news coverage and overall faux outrage over it than what the actual events should warrant. Where's the protest marches when a white person is killed by a black cop? Or when a black cop is killed by a latinx person?

Where are the cries for reform and refunding the police when a white cop kills a white person? There isn't any, because it isn't sensationalist enough and you can't harp on timeless griefs like "racism" for it. Not to say there aren't racist cops out there of course, but I can guarantee there's more people of any race or nationality that hate cops more than there are racist cops.

There should most definitely be a bigger outcry from white people. The problem is that theyre too busy marching against us rather than marching with us to make en effective change.

But its not black people job to hold white people hands and guide them through common sense issues of racism and police brutality.

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puppy posted...

We are saying that, according to statistics, only 9 unarmed black people were killed by cops last year (Or 13 if you include some others who have questionable weapons). 48+ cops were killed last year, and I dont know the number, but WAY more than 9 white people were killed by cops last year.

Our argument is, why the protests only when it fits a narrative? Meanwhile, Chicago is breaking records every weekend with black on black crime.

Statistics man, they dont lie, nor follow agendas. Thats the rights argument.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

You literally made those numbers up.

2019, 235 black people shot by cops out of 1004 total. An increase over the previous year.

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St0rmFury posted...

And the one time a black neighborhood dared to be rich, they got bombed.

While it's important to know your history, throwing race riots from a 100 years ago in people's face at every given opportunity isn't really all that helpful to dealing with current issues.

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Prismsblade posted...

The protest currently seem to be centered almost entirely around crinimal rights. Which is important, dont get me wrong. But helping black youths before they reach that point should be of a greater priority.

Of which I dont really see how defunding, let alone abolishing the police helps much in this regard. Idk, this just feels like a insanely missed opportunity for the better in my opinion.

Were too busy teaching out kids how to not get killed by cops for walking down the sidewalk

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Solid Snake07 posted...

While it's important to know your history, throwing race riots from a 100 years ago in people's face at every given opportunity isn't really all that helpful to dealing with current issues.

Would you rather go back to 1985 when a black neighborhood was bombed instead?

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coolboy11 posted...

one of the biggest problems with race is y'all refuse to listen to actual well intentioned black folk who try to educate you goofballs on black people's viewpoints/feelings on issues and frequently yell over them due to thinking you are smarter than everything darker that runs into your path (if you also think police killings are the only form of police brutality than lol)

frankly blacks as a collective in this nation are laughably over policed , often singled out for having the audacity to be working class and Black in this *White nation, subjected to often excessive punishment often supported by the non black majority who thinks most black citizenry in this country are two steps of being part of some Vietcong like 5th element and "well they should be kept in their place", when many suggest this marginalization is the direct cause of crime issues in some black sub communities it is often dismissed by many who feel that Blacks don't appreciate their lot in life that this nation has afforded them (like Black Americans haven't been a key part of American history and shit) or some goofy pull yourself up by bootstraps nonsense.

y'all are goofy, boring to debate and I see through the bullshit of you expressing faux concern to a subgroup that many of you struggle to often view as being of the same American stock as you and entitled to the full and equal protection and rights of the Constitution that many of y'all quote but love to cherry pick over.

Well said

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Presented with actual arguments and y'all turn into doodoo kid brains

Never change, internet

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Prismsblade posted...

The protest currently seem to be centered almost entirely around crinimal rights. Which is important, dont get me wrong. But helping black youths before they reach that point should be of a greater priority.

Of which I dont really see how defunding, let alone abolishing the police helps much in this regard. Idk, this just feels like a insanely missed opportunity for the better in my opinion.

Yeah I dont see how this will curb the disproportionate violent crime rate either in the black community

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Solid Snake07 posted...

While it's important to know your history, throwing race riots from a 100 years ago in people's face at every given opportunity isn't really all that helpful to dealing with current issues.

It is helpful, though. You just want to ignore the impact that had on today's society. Again, poverty, desperation, and greed are three of the biggest root factors of crime.

The destruction of Black Wall Street erased a ton of opportunity for black people to build wealth, which has had generational effects.

If you're trying to have an honest discussion on the matter, you can't throw that away just because it happened almost 100 years ago.

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ssjevot posted...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

You literally made those numbers up.

2019, 235 black people shot by cops out of 1004 total. An increase over the previous year.

No, he said unarmed black people. Your stat doesn't make that distinction

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Prismsblade posted...

The protest currently seem to be centered almost entirely around crinimal rights. Which is important, dont get me wrong. But helping black youths before they reach that point should be of a greater priority.

Of which I dont really see how defunding, let alone abolishing the police helps much in this regard. Idk, this just feels like a insanely missed opportunity for the better in my opinion.

As if you can't do both at the same time! The fuck is wrong with you people. You act like people aren't trying to make things better for the black community, black celebs try and help with this all the time by creating parks and making programs. Either way this is still a dumb reply as I could just say what about white on white crime as well.

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It's also very exhausting to have to explain all this every time these statistics are brought up.

People generally aren't trying to understand when they bring crime statistics up. They're just trying to deflect.

This topic is yet another example of that. You bring up actual history that is very much relevant to the topic and its just hand-waived because certain parts "weren't recent enough" in their minds, even after having the generational impact explained.

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For the record, I'm not American and I learned about the Tulsa massacre from CE. My country experienced racial riots too decades ago, but it wasn't due to minorities gaining wealth. More like because they are winning more seats in the general election and the majority race felt threatened.
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CableZL posted...

It is helpful, though. You just want to ignore the impact that had on today's society. Again, poverty, desperation, and greed are three of the biggest root factors of crime.

The destruction of Black Wall Street erased a ton of opportunity for black people to build wealth, which has had generational effects.

If you're trying to have an honest discussion on the matter, you can't throw that away just because it happened almost 100 years ago.

No, I don't want to ignore it. But think there are much more pertinent and recent events that are more important. Blacks were completely left out of the picture back in the 50s when america built a pretty good white middle class in this country through things like the GI bill that a was denied to black ww2 veterans. The crackdown on crack cocaine in the 80s where black people were given much heavier sentences for possession of crack than someone who was most likely white would receive for cocaine, locking up a generation of black men for long sentences for drug possession charges.

There's a laundry list of things within the lifetimes of our grandparents that are more pertiant to where we are as a nation now than a riot in Oklahoma nearly 100 years ago.

It is history and it should be known and learned from but black wall street just seems like the thing everybody throws out to sound like they know black history. It's good that you know about that, but there's a whole hell of a lot more, so keep reading

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Solid Snake07 posted...

No, I don't want to ignore it. But think there are much more pertinent and recent events that are more important. Blacks were completely left out of the picture back in the 50s when america built a pretty good white middle class in this country through things like the GI bill that a was denied to black ww2 veterans. The crackdown on crack cocaine in the 80s where black people were given much heavier sentences for possession of crack than someone who was most likely white would receive for cocaine, locking up a generation of black men for long sentences for drug possession charges.

There's a laundry list of things within the lifetimes of our grandparents that are more pertiant to where we are as a nation now than a riot in Oklahoma nearly 100 years ago.

It is history and it should be known and learned from but black wall street just seems like the thing everybody throws out to sound like they know black history. It's good that you know about that, but there's a whole hell of a lot more, so keep reading

Yeah, but again, people who commonly bring up black on black crime stats generally aren't trying to understand any of that.

It's very tiring to have to roll out the laundry list every time a "But what about black on black crime" comment is made.

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CableZL posted...

Yeah, but again, people who commonly bring up black on black crime stats generally aren't trying to understand any of that.

It's very tiring to have to roll out the laundry list every time a "But what about black on black crime" comment is made.

I understand where you're coming from but ignoring real problems just because of your anecdotal discussions, most likely on the internet with idiots, isn't exacly the.....enlightened route

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Solid Snake07 posted...

I understand where you're coming from but ignoring real problems just because of your anecdotal discussions, most likely on the internet with idiots, isn't exacly the.....enlightened route

That's what we're talking about this whole time is discussions, most likely on the internet with idiots, though.

I haven't yet heard anyone bring this stuff up in real life.

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TonyRodney posted...

As if you can't do both at the same time! The f*** is wrong with you people. You act like people aren't trying to make things better for the black community, black celebs try and help with this all the time by creating parks and making programs. Either way this is still a dumb reply as I could just say what about white on white crime as well.

Not only are we not doing both but crinimal rights has taken a clear precedence over everything else in the community which is...odd to say the least.

And who are these people helping the community? Ever year I return to my old neighborhood it gets worse and worse. With more retailers shutting down, schools closing, and the city, parks, and houses gradually deteriorating all around.

Now all eyes are on the black community, racism, and inequality. Poltiicans are bending the knee ready to cave to all their demands and the most vocal one all around is......to defund/abolish the police.

Not improve, say, off the top of my head the education/schools, offer more affordable housing, better job opportunitys, couple counseling, etc.

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Anyone who brings that up especially here is not worth debating with they've made up their minds already.

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puppy posted...

We are saying that, according to statistics, only 9 unarmed black people were killed by cops last year (Or 13 if you include some others who have questionable weapons). 48+ cops were killed last year, and I dont know the number, but WAY more than 9 white people were killed by cops last year.

Our argument is, why the protests only when it fits a narrative? Meanwhile, Chicago is breaking records every weekend with black on black crime.

Statistics man, they dont lie, nor follow agendas. Thats the rights argument.

Black on black crime is not racism so you cannot compare that to the racial profiling of black American citizens of our great beautiful nation, but thanks to the peace officers that protect us, the black on black crime gets even higher because of their involvement.

Statistics are fake news numbers. Numbers that possibly came from Biden's hairy legs.

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DarkProto05 posted...

than cops do"

So that makes it okay for people who should be protecting and serving to kill black people?

Do you guys on the right ever think?

What funny to me is that they present as if we're somehow ignoring this. Like I been to several protests dealing directly with gun violence and crimes in black neighborhoods.

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Extreme_light posted...

What funny to me is that they present as if we're somehow ignoring this. Like I been to several protests dealing directly with gun violence and crimes in black neighborhoods.

Its a widely discussed topic in the black community. White peoples assume we dont care because they think we dont talk about it.

We dont talk to THEM about it so it goes largely unnoticed by them.

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Prismsblade posted...

Not improve, say, off the top of my head the education/schools, offer more affordable housing, better job opportunitys, couple counseling, etc.

You think the government should offer couple counseling?

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black people killing black people is not the same issue as cops killing black people. i dont know why it is always brought up or how it is at all related

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Prismsblade posted...

Not only are we not doing both but crinimal rights has taken a clear precedence over everything else in the community which is...odd to say the least.

And who are these people helping the community? Ever year I return to my old neighborhood it gets worse and worse. With more retailers shutting down, schools closing, and the city, parks, and houses gradually deteriorating all around.

Now all eyes are on the black community, racism, and inequality. Poltiicans are bending the knee ready to cave to all their demands and the most vocal one all around is......to defund/abolish the police.

Not improve, say, off the top of my head the education/schools, offer more affordable housing, better job opportunitys, couple counseling, etc.

We are doing both. Sometimes it takes awhile to see results, which is something I shouldn't have to say. You can't just force people to do better you know that right? Defunding the police is about putting assets into other means right, so I don't know why people keep bringing that up. They aren't just taking away the funds and having them go to nothing. We want it to got to those things you mentioned above as well.

Couple canceling though? Why would you want the government to get involved in that? Half the time couples aren't the reason the kids turn out to be bad apples.

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Honestly, I'm convinced the black populace will get nowhere until we properly assess all of black culture and the economic problems. Yes, we're generally poorer, but we also have a cultural problem where we don't have nuclear families and people are growing up in an environment where the "gangsta life" is a glamorized. These are important.

In my district, we had a shooting a couple months ago where an argument broke out over dominoes at 2 in the morning and it ended with someone whipping out their gun and killing someone. In my neighborhood last month, I had a neighbor lose his life to gang violence. I had a friend who was incarcerated for a year and while he was in there, he basically acted as the resident therapist (he went all out with scented candles and other stuff) for both the COs and the other prison mates. The guys who were in there told him that they never had people to talk with them in such a way to sort out and articulate on their feelings.

My point is that we're going the wrong way with addressing black issues by going after cops. There's a lot of problems we can take control over in our own communities that will directly influence our interactions with the police.
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Sad_Face posted...

Honestly, I'm convinced the black populace will get nowhere until we properly assess all of black culture and the economic problems. Yes, we're generally poorer, but we also have a cultural problem where we don't have nuclear families and people are growing up in an environment where the "gangsta life" is a glamorized. These are important.

In my district, we had a shooting a couple months ago where an argument broke out over dominoes at 2 in the morning and it ended with someone whipping out their gun and killing someone. In my neighborhood last month, I had a neighbor lose his life to gang violence. I had a friend who was incarcerated for a year and while he was in there, he basically acted as the resident therapist (he went all out with scented candles and other stuff) for both the COs and the other prison mates. The guys who were in there told him that they never had people to talk with them in such a way to sort out and articulate on their feelings.

My point is that we're going the wrong way with addressing black issues by going after cops. There's a lot of problems we can take control over in our own communities that will directly influence our interactions with the police.

That's racist. Cops are the problem, not gangs.

Smackems posted...

Presented with actual arguments and y'all turn into doodoo kid brains

Never change, internet

There are actually a lot more arguments in this topic than usual, I think you're just not actually bothering to read.

I'm seeing a lot of criticism of arguments being dodged, though. Puppy never did get back to half of his criticisms.

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thrashmetal14 posted...

That's racist. Cops are the problem, not gangs.

You don't believe what you're saying. Why are you saying it?

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Guide posted...

You don't believe what you're saying. Why are you saying it?

I imagine he's just tossing a sarcastic response.
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Sad_Face posted...

I imagine he's just tossing a sarcastic response.

Could be an attempt, but it doesn't make any sense, since there's no one here conveying that message in earnest for there to be a sarcastic take in the first place.

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Damn righters.

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