Current Events > 3 wilmington police officers fired for extreme racist conversation

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Some highlights (some of them I can't even post it's too bleak):

At one point, Moore states, she needed a bullet in her head right then and move on. Lets move the body out of the way and keep going. Piner responds, Thats what I have been trying to tell you,'

Officer Piner began to discuss society being close to martial law and soon we are just gonna go out and start slaughtering them fucking ******. I cant wait. God, I cant wait.

Officer Piner then explained to Cpl. Moore that he felt society needed a civil war to wipe em off the fucking map. Thatll put em back about four or five generations.'

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*Also, these cops are veterans. Been making arrests for decades.

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Lived there for about two years, cops are the shittiest morons in the country there. They either do nothing all day or just harass people. This surprises me exactly zero percent

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I honestly cant wrap my head around racism. I suppose this is a 5 am thought, but its like, your iq must be below room temperature to look at another person, and because of small visual differences assume they cant be as smart as you or are somehow subhuman. I mean, talk about letting your dumbass hindbrain take over. Id be embarrassed to speak aloud such unscientific nonsense yet some people base their whole life off it, getting fiery buttmad over other people for literally no reason.

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Webbernet posted...

I honestly cant wrap my head around racism. I suppose this is a 5 am thought, but its like, your iq must be below room temperature to look at another person, and because of small visual differences assume they cant be as smart as you or are somehow subhuman. I mean, talk about letting your dumbass hindbrain take over. Id be embarrassed to speak aloud such unscientific nonsense yet some people base their whole life off it, getting fiery buttmad over other people for literally no reason.

Interestingly enough I discovered this morning that the man with the reportedly highest IQ in the world (something like 200) is a conspiracy theorist nutbag who has spent most of his life working as a bouncer and frequently posts about the dangers of interracial marriage and "white genocide". Turns out being smart doesn't excuse you either.

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I think that shows a flaw in IQ tests, certainly.

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Webbernet posted...

I think that shows a flaw in IQ tests, certainly.

I don't know much about IQ tests, but I don't think they were ever designed to be a measure for how right/wrong someone is going to be about stuff. Isaac Newton may have been the brightest person to ever live, yet nearly everything he thought has turned out to not be true. Ultimately you can only know from what you understand. And if that guy grew up in an abusive household and spent most of his life on a ranch, it doesn't really surprise me that he's a bit twisted.

At least he contributed great stuff to humanity though.

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The bootlickers of CE need to also ignore this topic as best as they possibly can.

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They may be right about there being a great reckoning on the horizon, but i dont think it's the one they want.

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Webbernet posted...

I honestly cant wrap my head around racism. I suppose this is a 5 am thought, but its like, your iq must be below room temperature to look at another person, and because of small visual differences assume they cant be as smart as you or are somehow subhuman. I mean, talk about letting your dumbass hindbrain take over. Id be embarrassed to speak aloud such unscientific nonsense yet some people base their whole life off it, getting fiery buttmad over other people for literally no reason.

Racism comes from tribalism and constantly feeding yourself with bad news about the other tribe. It's the same mechanism that you guys are using are using to hate cops and the wealthy. Race is not special. You just need something to distinguish them as a different group from yours

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Squall28 posted...

Racism comes from tribalism and constantly feeding yourself with bad news about the other tribe. It's the same mechanism that you guys are using are using to hate cops and the wealthy. Race is not special. You just need something to distinguish them as a different group from yours

You can't equivocate the treatment of a race people are born as and the criticism of the system of uniform people choose to wear.

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You cannot reform or retrain this. This is in the culture and it's more embedded than what a lot of people would like to believe. This is what systemic racism looks like.

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pinky0926 posted...

You can't equivocate the treatment of a race people are born as and the criticism of the system of uniform people choose to wear.

My monolithic thinking is superior to your monolithic thinking

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YourDrunkFather posted...

My monolithic thinking is superior to your monolithic thinking

Where in any of my statements did you read "I think every cop is a bad person and I won't hear anything different"

The difference between a taxpayer funded establishment designed to wield authority over a population and a race of people should be immediately obvious to anyone, you don't need to be all "both sides" about it

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pinky0926 posted...

You can't equivocate the treatment of a race people are born as and the criticism of the system of uniform people choose to wear.

I can and will because that's what tribalism is. The only exception to this is if the organization is there solely to hate like the KKK. The police is there to enforce the law.

Also fun little parallel I found.

You know what they are reporting in China about these protests? They show black people rioting and looting. They show them making white people get on their knees. They show them hitting Asian people. They showed some affirmative action stuff with Asians always getting shafted. My parents are fucking terrified of black people atm.

Meanwhile, I'm with tons of black people everyday, and know the news is deceiving people.

Conversely look at you guys. Constantly scouring for anti-cop news. Well no shit you hate the cops. It's all you feed your brain. Actually look around. Cops do a ton of shit for the community. Of course they're not perfect but I know a hate loop when I see one.

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Squall28 posted...

I can and will because that's what tribalism is. The only exception to this is if the organization is there solely to hate like the KKK. The police is there to enforce the law.

Also fun little parallel I found.

You know what they are reporting in China about these protests? They show black people rioting and looting. They show them making white people get on their knees. They show them hitting Asian people. They showed some affirmative action stuff with Asians always getting shafted. My parents are fucking terrified of black people atm.

Meanwhile, I'm with tons of black people everyday, and know the news is deceiving people.

Conversely look at you guys. Constantly scouring for anti-cop news. Well no shit you hate the cops. It's all you feed your brain. Actually look around. Cops do a ton of shit for the community. Of course they're not perfect but I know a hate loop when I see one.

In summary, if someone highlights a particular story then the only thing we should gleam from that phenomenon is what personal biases they have. We shouldn't look to find any truth in the matter objectively or discuss the story at hand. It's just, tribe A versus tribe B. That's it, that's the story.

Sounds like a good argument if I bang my head against a desk a few times

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Squall28 posted...

Also fun little parallel I found.

You know what they are reporting in China about these protests? They show black people rioting and looting. They show them making white people get on their knees. They show them hitting Asian people. They showed some affirmative action stuff with Asians always getting shafted. My parents are fucking terrified of black people atm.

Meanwhile, I'm with tons of black people everyday, and know the news is deceiving people.

Conversely look at you guys. Constantly scouring for anti-cop news. Well no shit you hate the cops. It's all you feed your brain. Actually look around. Cops do a ton of shit for the community. Of course they're not perfect but I know a hate loop when I see one.

These things aren't congruent; black people didn't choose to be black, black people don't have a monopoly on force, black people aren't backed by unions that make it nearly impossible to convict them of anything.


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pinky0926 posted...

In summary, if someone highlights a particular story then the only thing we should gleam from that phenomenon is what personal biases they have. We shouldn't look to find any truth in the matter objectively or discuss the story at hand. It's just, tribe A versus tribe B. That's it, that's the story.

Sounds like a good argument if I bang my head against a desk a few times

No. In summary, you should be aware of any PATTERNS in news stories you get. If you start seeing only one side of the story every time, you should be critical of it, and think about the other side of the coin. It's so obvious people are scouring for bad cop news now. Bad cops have existed for ages, and we haven't been bombarded with the news of it until now. Yes be aware of individual stories and discuss them, but also see the bigger picture of how news is being presented to you.

Remember this is in response to a poster talking about where racism comes from. I answered him exactly. Tribalism and a bias news feed. I remember there was a racist shooter a while back, and they said the shooter frequented a website. I've never heard of the website so I took a gander out of curiosity, and within a second, I saw how he became racist. Imagine every day going to this site and seeing bad news about a certain group of people. You are going to despise them.

Also, the whole race is different because you can't choose it is complete bullshit. Tribalism studies have been done on people of the same race. It's been done on animals who look identical. It's been done on people of different sports teams. it's been done on people who were assigned groups the same day. All you need to do is induce the belief that someone is an other. A different group from yours.

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The user youre arguing with has admitted to being racist. Its no surprise they think their smooth-brained take on muh tribalism is intelligent.

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IQ is meaningless nonsense and it's hilarious that people think it can be used to quantify intelligence
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Great supervisor.

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Squall28 posted...

No. In summary, you should be aware of any PATTERNS in news stories you get. If you start seeing only one side of the story every time, you should be critical of it, and think about the other side of the coin. It's so obvious people are scouring for bad cop news now. Bad cops have existed for ages, and we haven't been bombarded with the news of it until now. Yes be aware of individual stories and discuss them, but also see the bigger picture of how news is being presented to you.

This is a massive straw man. Where did you see me make such an argument to suggest I am only doing that? There's an incredible irony in attributing all this nonsense to me because you've presumably seen or read of a bunch of other people doing it. Or did you mean "it is the same mechanism you guys are using" in an indirect way?

Remember this is in response to a poster talking about where racism comes from. I answered him exactly. Tribalism and a bias news feed. I remember there was a racist shooter a while back, and they said the shooter frequented a website. I've never heard of the website so I took a gander out of curiosity, and within a second, I saw how he became racist. Imagine every day going to this site and seeing bad news about a certain group of people. You are going to despise them.

Your explanation of racism was decent but comparing it to a bias or prejudice against police officers is not. They are fundamentally different things and can't be equivocated in the way that you did.

Also, the whole race is different because you can't choose it is complete bullshit. Tribalism studies have been done on people of the same race. It's been done on animals who look identical. It's been done on people of different sports teams. it's been done on people who were assigned groups the same day. All you need to do is induce the belief that someone is an other. A different group from yours.

Tribalism is not a complete open and shut explanation for what is going on here or how to address it. Like what is your argument here, we can't or shouldn't aim for better police practises because people have biases?

Perhaps you are not suggesting that, but that is what I'm getting from your argument. And if it is what you're suggesting, then "there are bad people and good people on both sides, therefore don't have any opinions or wish for any improvement in any particular direction" is not an intelligent or useful argument.

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People that practice safeism are the fucking worst lmao

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pinky0926 posted...

This is a massive straw man. Where did you see me make such an argument to suggest I am only doing that? There's an incredible irony in attributing all this nonsense to me because you've presumably seen or read of a bunch of other people doing it. Or did you mean "it is the same mechanism you guys are using" in an indirect way?

I'm explaining my point because you yourself made a strawman of me in your previous post. Not what I said:

"In summary, if someone highlights a particular story then the only thing we should gleam from that phenomenon is what personal biases they have. We shouldn't look to find any truth in the matter objectively or discuss the story at hand. It's just, tribe A versus tribe B. That's it, that's the story."

Tribalism is not a complete open and shut explanation for what is going on here or how to address it. Like what is your argument here, we can't or shouldn't aim for better police practises because people have biases?

Perhaps you are not suggesting that, but that is what I'm getting from your argument. And if it is what you're suggesting, then "there are bad people and good people on both sides, therefore don't have any opinions or wish for any improvement in any particular direction" is not an intelligent or useful argument.

No, of course we should aim to improve the police. My argument is that we should be wary of news stories of like what we see in the OP if it's something we keep seeing over and over again. Wary not in the sense that we should ignore it. Wary in that we are aware of what news stories can do to us emotionally, how much control they can have over us, and how easily a narrative can be spun by selectively choosing stories. Like you mentioned, it's not aimed directly at you, but at the prevalence of anti-cop sentiment we've been getting lately. My original post itself was in response to a tangent post we had here, and the intent is for people not to get overwhelmed by hatred of police if they keep consuming that sort of media without a clear lense.

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Police: Using blatantly racist, violent language and relishing the opportunity to kill black people en masse

Squall28: We need to be careful lest we allow these stories to shape our perceptions in a negative way. Being upset about this is exactly like racism.

fuck off dude

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

Police: Using blatantly racist, violent language and relishing the opportunity to kill black people en masse

Squall28: We need to be careful lest we allow these stories to shape our perceptions in a negative way. Being upset about this is exactly like racism.

fuck off dude

Yes, those INDIVIDUALS in that story are bad. They are indefensible, that's why I didn't comment on the story. I'm talking bigger picture. Associating the few with the entire group is not a good take to have. If TC doesn't do it, great. He seems to have a good head on his shoulders. You on the other hand? You probably think someone eating vanilla ice cream makes them a racist. Get some help my friend. You need it.

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Squall28 posted...

Yes, those INDIVIDUALS in that story are bad. They are indefensible, that's why I didn't comment on the story. I'm talking bigger picture. Associating the few with the entire group is not a good take to have. If TC doesn't do it, great. He seems to have a good head on his shoulders. You on the other hand? You probably think someone eating vanilla ice cream makes them a racist. Get some help my friend. You need it.

In turn dismissing the problem altogether as "just a few bad apples" does nothing to address or help the problem.

If there's bad apples on the tree, and the tree does its best to hold onto these apples for dear life, or discreetly attempts to move these apples to a different branch, or any number of inane extensions of this analogy I can think of...maybe we need to do something about the tree?

As you said...recognise patterns.

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pinky0926 posted...

In turn dismissing the problem altogether as "just a few bad apples" does nothing to address or help the problem.

If there's bad apples on the tree, and the tree does its best to hold onto these apples for dear life, or discreetly attempts to move these apples to a different branch, or any number of inane extensions of this analogy I can think of...maybe we need to do something about the tree?

As you said...recognise patterns.

Again, I'm not against police reform or reallocating police funds to other sectors that can better address needs of the community. I'm against passionately hating an entire group of people. Police stories typically end up being a circle jerk of hate for police calling them pigs and the like. I want to see peaceful reform, not a violent mob one which I fear will happen if things keep escalating.

I made a huge ass tangent because it was a response to another post. Don't think my responses were targeted at you in particular.

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BabyRoxann posted...

jUsT a FeW bAd ApPlEs

disgusting pigs

Squall28 posted...

Again, I'm not against police reform or reallocating police funds to other sectors that can better address needs of the community. I'm against passionately hating an entire group of people. Police stories typically end up being a circle jerk of hate for police calling them pigs and the like. I want to see peaceful reform, not a violent mob one which I fear will happen if things keep escalating.

I made a huge ass tangent because it was a response to another post. Don't think my responses were targeted at you in particular.

Alright and I get that, but I also think that would sound pretty empty to someone on the target end of these cops' statements. I mean the guy was talking about ethnic cleansing while out on the beat, and the best we can hope for is that he'll lose his job and is being recommended to not get another one? I can understand why anyone would be seething or sickened at that.


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Squall28 posted...

I'm against passionately hating an entire group of people

like these cops are with black people??

you just dont get it, do you?

Poop2 posted...

like these cops are with black people??

you just dont get it, do you?

I'm not in support of these cops. They shouldn't be a cop ever again, and are a danger to society.

Alright and I get that, but I also think that would sound pretty empty to someone on the target end of these cops' statements. I mean the guy was talking about ethnic cleansing while out on the beat, and the best we can hope for is that he'll lose his job and is being recommended to not get another one? I can understand why anyone would be seething or sickened at that.

The seething is what I'm afraid of. I don't believe people make good decisions in that state.

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Squall28 posted...

I'm not in support of these cops. They shouldn't be a cop ever again, and are a danger to society.

As before I think your heart is in the right place but the point people will bring up is that it's not the time to urge for moderation or to tell people to calm down. I mean cops are out here talking about genocide and we're just gonna fire them and hope they don't get transferred to another precinct - that's presumably the best case scenario in the reality of the current climate. Other cops are walking out in protest at any suggested changes. And so on.

Maybe it is the time for really urgent and profound action. And maybe people are acting irrationally because their rational comments, pleads and protests are going unheard again and again.

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and the system that allowed them to persist for decades should clean house, under authority of an outside figure

and until that system can demonstrate that the reform is complete, its access to excessive armament and legal protection should be disabled (in order to free funds for said reforms)

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wait wtf, arent police supposed to be the good guys? Im BAFFLED by this

Squall28 posted...

Yes, those INDIVIDUALS in that story are bad. They are indefensible, that's why I didn't comment on the story. I'm talking bigger picture. Associating the few with the entire group is not a good take to have. If TC doesn't do it, great. He seems to have a good head on his shoulders. You on the other hand? You probably think someone eating vanilla ice cream makes them a racist. Get some help my friend. You need it.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi-white-supremacists-in-law-enforcement

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FBI needs to keep an eye on these 3 from here on out.

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I for one am totally surprised by this behavior from our protectors.

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Squall28 posted...

Again, I'm not against police reform or reallocating police funds to other sectors that can better address needs of the community. I'm against passionately hating an entire group of people. Police stories typically end up being a circle jerk of hate for police calling them pigs and the like. I want to see peaceful reform, not a violent mob one which I fear will happen if things keep escalating.

I made a huge ass tangent because it was a response to another post. Don't think my responses were targeted at you in particular.

What reforms have been accomplished peacefully? Everything that is on the table now insofar as reforms go was unthinkable a few months ago. The only reason those are on the table now is because people are willing to fight. Not one time in history has real change come without a fight.

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Squall28 posted...

I'm not in support of these cops. They shouldn't be a cop ever again, and are a danger to society.

The seething is what I'm afraid of. I don't believe people make good decisions in that state.

Here's the thing though, these officers had been on the force for years. And the sad fact is that racists aren't inherently more stupid than other people. They know when and when not to show their true colors. These officers would never have had this conversation if they thought that their fellow officers would actually report it. Which meant they were pretty comfortable talking this way to the fellow officers. That isn't an individual officer problem, that's an entire officer culture problem.

The only difference this time is that the conversation got recorded and discovered.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

What reforms have been accomplished peacefully? Everything that is on the table now insofar as reforms go was unthinkable a few months ago. The only reason those are on the table now is because people are willing to fight. Not one time in history has real change come without a fight.

MLK? Ghandi? You know...some of the greatest leaders we've ever had?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_resistance

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these cops sound like they would have fit right in with the SS

Fact is even ONE example of police brutality and/or behavior like this is too much.

the dozens and hundreds of videos being spread around from all this might represent a small portion of the police force, but it is still far too much

the police unions are lobbying against oversight changes that will hold police accountable, and prevent people like this from being employed by taxpayers.

every single officer made the choice to join this system and continue to propagate it, and very few of them are working to help change it

it has nothing to do with perception bias or whatever. ANY amount of this behavior is too much coming from the people we are supposed to trust to uphold the law. If you do not firmly support accountability and reform laws, you are on the wrong side. And police unions do not support them, and in many cases are actively working against reform laws.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/23/police-unions-spending-policy-reform-chicago-new-york-la

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/06/08/politics/police-union-reform-protests/index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/06/us/police-unions-minneapolis-kroll.html

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MLK himself was a pacifist but he acknowledged that violence was part of the process. He had no problem allying himself with people who used violence

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IMNOTRAGED posted...

MLK himself was a pacifist but he acknowledged that violence was part of the process. He had no problem allying himself with people who used violence

He was also assassinated by the state.

It's always great to see the people who love to play devil's advocate for police cite people like MLK and Ghandi in order to finger wag. Essentially saying that the only protest they care about is one they can easily ignore. While conveniently ignoring the fact that almost every single one of MLK's peaceful protests were met with absolute brutality from the police.

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FursonaNonGrata posted...

He was also assassinated by the state.

It's always great to see the people who love to play devil's advocate for police cite people like MLK and Ghandi in order to finger wag. Essentially saying that the only protest they care about is one they can easily ignore. While conveniently ignoring the fact that almost every single one of MLK's peaceful protests were met with absolute brutality from the police.

One of the main reasons MLK's protests were so successful was because they brutality was one sided. Siding with MLK was so obvious.

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Squall28 posted...

One of the main reasons MLK's protests were so successful was because they brutality was one sided. Siding with MLK was so obvious.

I'd argue it's only obvious in retrospect. MLK wasn't seen as this black Jesus character in the 60s. People (white people) thought he was Black Hitler.

To quote this famous bit of his:
"First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."

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Squall28 posted...

One of the main reasons MLK's protests were so successful was because they brutality was one sided. Siding with MLK was so obvious.

And what would you call the hundreds of documented accounts of police in riot gear brutalizing peaceful protests over the last month?

Or the hundreds of documented accounts of police beating, maiming, and kill black people over the years?


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Squall28 posted...

Siding with MLK was so obvious.

Iiiiiii would ask people who were there before making such a claim.

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