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Josiah_Is_Back 06/22/20 4:21:03 PM #1:	For the purposes of this topic, assume we are talking about limit-breaker Jiren. Yes, Jiren could defeat Beerus Jiren could probably defeat Beerus Jiren probably would not be able to defeat Beerus No, Jiren could not defeat Beerus It is impractical to assess this given we don't know how powerful Beerus is at 100% For the purposes of this topic, assume we are talking about limit-breaker Jiren. - Results (26 votes) Yes, Jiren could defeat Beerus 23.08% (6 votes) 6 Jiren could probably defeat Beerus 11.54% (3 votes) 3 Jiren probably would not be able to defeat Beerus 7.69% (2 votes) 2 No, Jiren could not defeat Beerus 53.85% (14 votes) 14 It is impractical to assess this given we don't know how powerful Beerus is at 100% 3.85% (1 vote) 1 What say ye? <cite>Josiah_Is_Back posted [p:941083780] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote> For the purposes of this topic, assume we are talking about limit-breaker Jiren. Yes, Jiren could defeat Beerus Jiren could probably defeat Beerus Jiren probably would not be able to defeat Beerus No, Jiren could not defeat Beerus It is impractical to assess this given we don't know how powerful Beerus is at 100% Vote View Results For the purposes of this topic, assume we are talking about limit-breaker Jiren. - Results (26 votes) Yes, Jiren could defeat Beerus 23.08% (6 votes) 6 Jiren could probably defeat Beerus 11.54% (3 votes) 3 Jiren probably would not be able to defeat Beerus 7.69% (2 votes) 2 No, Jiren could not defeat Beerus 53.85% (14 votes) 14 It is impractical to assess this given we don't know how powerful Beerus is at 100% 3.85% (1 vote) 1 Show Voting Form What say ye? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordFarquad1312 06/22/20 4:22:44 PM #2:	There is literally no way for Jiren to beat Beerus if Beerus wants him dead. --- El sexo sucio y el planeta limpio. "If you are tired of fear from links... Let Kirby's Nightmare protect you." <cite>LordFarquad1312 posted [p:941083872] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>There is literally no way for Jiren to beat Beerus if Beerus wants him dead. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Josiah_Is_Back 06/22/20 4:27:33 PM #3:	LordFarquad1312 posted... There is literally no way for Jiren to beat Beerus if Beerus wants him dead. If you are referring to the Hakai move, Frieza proved capable of withstanding the Hakai of both Sidra's and Toppo's Hakai attacks. Granted, Beerus is much stronger than either Sidra or Toppo; but Jiren is also echelons above Golden Frieza. <cite>Josiah_Is_Back posted [p:941084133] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>LordFarquad1312 posted... </cite> <quote>There is literally no way for Jiren to beat Beerus if Beerus wants him dead.</quote> If you are referring to the Hakai move, Frieza proved capable of withstanding the Hakai of both Sidra's and Toppo's Hakai attacks. Granted, Beerus is much stronger than either Sidra or Toppo; but Jiren is also echelons above Golden Frieza. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 06/22/20 4:28:07 PM #4:	Jiren is above the Gods of Destruction --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:941084166] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Jiren is above the Gods of Destruction </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordFarquad1312 06/22/20 4:34:46 PM #5:	Josiah_Is_Back posted... If you are referring to the Hakai move, Frieza proved capable of withstanding the Hakai of both Sidra's and Toppo's Hakai attacks. Granted, Beerus is much stronger than either Sidra or Toppo; but Jiren is also echelons above Golden Frieza. Beerus can use ultra instinct, and we all know how well Jiren did against that. Also, Frieza withstood and indirect hakai, which the anime kind of pulled out of it's ass. We've no idea if anything can actually withstand a hakai from a god of destruction, other than the angels and Zeno. If you're refering to Toppo's hakai, I'd have to say the anime is super inconsistend as to what hakai is. Sometimes it's a big ball of doom, others it's just a a thing https://youtu.be/KxSrSK2ioQw?t=143 --- El sexo sucio y el planeta limpio. "If you are tired of fear from links... Let Kirby's Nightmare protect you." <cite>LordFarquad1312 posted [p:941084516] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Josiah_Is_Back posted... </cite> <quote>If you are referring to the Hakai move, Frieza proved capable of withstanding the Hakai of both Sidra's and Toppo's Hakai attacks. Granted, Beerus is much stronger than either Sidra or Toppo; but Jiren is also echelons above Golden Frieza.</quote>Beerus can use ultra instinct, and we all know how well Jiren did against that. Also, Frieza withstood and indirect hakai, which the anime kind of pulled out of it's ass. We've no idea if anything can actually withstand a hakai from a god of destruction, other than the angels and Zeno. If you're refering to Toppo's hakai, I'd have to say the anime is super inconsistend as to what hakai is. Sometimes it's a big ball of doom, others it's just a a thing https://youtu.be/KxSrSK2ioQw?t=143 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Extreme_light 06/22/20 4:38:15 PM #6:	I'm going with probably. Jiren is above gods of destruction level, but we don't know where Beerus stands by himself. --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC7BAt96Xn0 <cite>Extreme_light posted [p:941084691] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>I'm going with probably. Jiren is above gods of destruction level, but we don't know where Beerus stands by himself. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Josiah_Is_Back 06/22/20 4:44:14 PM #7:	LordFarquad1312 posted... Beerus can use ultra instinct, and we all know how well Jiren did against that. Actually, Whis explicitly made it clear that Beerus has not mastered Ultra Instinct. Goku, however, did reach that state in the ToP and Jiren still managed to overwhelm him. <cite>Josiah_Is_Back posted [p:941085038] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>LordFarquad1312 posted... </cite> <quote>Beerus can use ultra instinct, and we all know how well Jiren did against that.</quote> Actually, Whis explicitly made it clear that Beerus has not mastered Ultra Instinct. Goku, however, did reach that state in the ToP and Jiren still managed to overwhelm him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordFarquad1312 06/22/20 4:44:28 PM #8:	If you want an idea of how strong Beerus actually is, here's him geting ganged up by all the other gods of destruction and holding his own https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRedvQkqsS8 Yes, in the manga the exhibition match was between the gods of destruction, not against 3 irrelevant dogs. --- El sexo sucio y el planeta limpio. "If you are tired of fear from links... Let Kirby's Nightmare protect you." <cite>LordFarquad1312 posted [p:941085053] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>If you want an idea of how strong Beerus actually is, here's him geting ganged up by all the other gods of destruction and holding his own https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRedvQkqsS8 Yes, in the manga the exhibition match was between the gods of destruction, not against 3 irrelevant dogs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Josiah_Is_Back 06/22/20 4:45:26 PM #9:	Well, the manga and anime are two different animals, right? <cite>Josiah_Is_Back posted [p:941085102] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Well, the manga and anime are two different animals, right? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 06/22/20 4:47:55 PM #10:	Josiah_Is_Back posted... Actually, Whis explicitly made it clear that Beerus has not mastered Ultra Instinct. Goku, however, did reach that state in the ToP and Jiren still managed to overwhelm him. I thought UI wasn't master in the ToP Didn't Beerus go all UI fighting all the other GoDs? It just didnt look flashy. I haven't seen it in a minute tho --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:941085255] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Josiah_Is_Back posted... </cite> <quote>Actually, Whis explicitly made it clear that Beerus has not mastered Ultra Instinct. Goku, however, did reach that state in the ToP and Jiren still managed to overwhelm him.</quote> I thought UI wasn't master in the ToP Didn't Beerus go all UI fighting all the other GoDs? It just didnt look flashy. I haven't seen it in a minute tho </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BettyWhite 06/22/20 4:48:12 PM #11:	Based off of scaling, I would say yes he could. But DB is always poorly scaled, and knowing their writers they would decide that Beerus is stronger. --- Life is pain and misery beat skeet to asian street meat <cite>BettyWhite posted [p:941085278] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Based off of scaling, I would say yes he could. But DB is always poorly scaled, and knowing their writers they would decide that Beerus is stronger. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KobeSystem 06/22/20 4:48:38 PM #12:	he probably could with the help of El Hermano --- http://www.last.fm/user/KobeSystem92 \| https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/725087214401671170/02UGgybe_400x400.jpg WIN SEXANGELS GREATKERZ <cite>KobeSystem posted [p:941085304] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>he probably could with the help of El Hermano </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 06/22/20 4:48:46 PM #13:	Josiah_Is_Back posted... Goku, however, did reach that state in the ToP and Jiren still managed to overwhelm him. Jiren did not overwhelm him. He fought back hard enough but UI Goku had Jiren by his numbers. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:941085311] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Josiah_Is_Back posted... </cite> <quote>Goku, however, did reach that state in the ToP and Jiren still managed to overwhelm him.</quote>Jiren did not overwhelm him. He fought back hard enough but UI Goku had Jiren by his numbers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Garioshi 06/22/20 4:49:10 PM #14:	Beerus is strongly implied to be one of, if not the, the strongest gods of destruction. --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 <cite>Garioshi posted [p:941085332] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Beerus is strongly implied to be one of, if not the, the strongest gods of destruction. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gamerguymass 06/22/20 4:49:19 PM #15:	Irony posted... Jiren is above the Gods of Destruction Jiren is above HIS God of Destruction. He is only more powerful then the one in his universe, who is also the weakest out of all of them. Beerus is the strongest out of all the Destruction Gods in every universe. Jiren wouldnt stand a chance. Beerus would slaughter him. --- Now Playing: "The Hunt for the Two Missing Nintendo 64 Games" An expansion came out, but I'm still a third of the way through! <cite>Gamerguymass posted [p:941085339] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Irony posted... </cite> <quote>Jiren is above the Gods of Destruction</quote> Jiren is above HIS God of Destruction. He is only more powerful then the one in his universe, who is also the weakest out of all of them. Beerus is the strongest out of all the Destruction Gods in every universe. Jiren wouldnt stand a chance. Beerus would slaughter him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tropicalwood 06/22/20 4:50:35 PM #16:	Jiren couldn't even beat El Hermano https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNH61TLFXdk --- ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya ayy lmao ayy lmao \|\| oaml oaml yya yya <cite>Tropicalwood posted [p:941085393] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Jiren couldn't even beat El Hermano https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNH61TLFXdk </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordFarquad1312 06/22/20 4:50:41 PM #17:	Unsugarized_Foo posted... I thought UI wasn't master in the ToP Didn't Beerus go all UI fighting all the other GoDs? It just didnt look flashy. I haven't seen it in a minute tho Beerus can UI whenever he wants. I don't know much about the manga past the point where the anime left off, but at that point, Goku can't use UI like that. --- El sexo sucio y el planeta limpio. "If you are tired of fear from links... Let Kirby's Nightmare protect you." <cite>LordFarquad1312 posted [p:941085400] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Unsugarized_Foo posted... </cite> <quote>I thought UI wasn't master in the ToP Didn't Beerus go all UI fighting all the other GoDs? It just didnt look flashy. I haven't seen it in a minute tho</quote>Beerus can UI whenever he wants. I don't know much about the manga past the point where the anime left off, but at that point, Goku can't use UI like that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 06/22/20 4:51:17 PM #18:	Gamerguymass posted... Beerus is the strongest out of all the Destruction Gods in every universe. Is this confirmed? --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:941085425] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Gamerguymass posted... </cite> <quote>Beerus is the strongest out of all the Destruction Gods in every universe.</quote>Is this confirmed? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 06/22/20 4:51:53 PM #19:	Tropicalwood posted... Jiren couldn't even beat El Hermano https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNH61TLFXdk lmao what is this --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:941085468] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Tropicalwood posted... </cite> <quote>Jiren couldn't even beat El Hermano https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNH61TLFXdk</quote>lmao what is this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 06/22/20 4:53:00 PM #20:	Veggeta X posted... Jiren did not overwhelm him. He fought back hard enough but UI Goku had Jiren by his numbers. He was shown to be stronger than Goku, but Goku was strong enough to hurt Jiren and the stupid fast reaction times of UI meant the Goku had the advantage. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:941085523] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Veggeta X posted... </cite> <quote>Jiren did not overwhelm him. He fought back hard enough but UI Goku had Jiren by his numbers.</quote>He was shown to be stronger than Goku, but Goku was strong enough to hurt Jiren and the stupid fast reaction times of UI meant the Goku had the advantage. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Josiah_Is_Back 06/22/20 4:54:03 PM #21:	Veggeta X posted... Jiren did not overwhelm him. He fought back hard enough but UI Goku had Jiren by his numbers. He overpowered MUI Goku and had him on the verge of unconsciousness, lying face down on the ground, and it took a pep talk from Krillin to get Goku to get back to his feet. <cite>Josiah_Is_Back posted [p:941085590] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Veggeta X posted... </cite> <quote>Jiren did not overwhelm him. He fought back hard enough but UI Goku had Jiren by his numbers.</quote> He overpowered MUI Goku and had him on the verge of unconsciousness, lying face down on the ground, and it took a pep talk from Krillin to get Goku to get back to his feet. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Extreme_light 06/22/20 4:55:28 PM #22:	But is Goku at that point in time even a reliable measure of strength? --- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC7BAt96Xn0 <cite>Extreme_light posted [p:941085666] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>But is Goku at that point in time even a reliable measure of strength? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordFarquad1312 06/22/20 4:56:24 PM #24:	Josiah_Is_Back posted... Well, the manga and anime are two different animals, right? Yes, but in general the manga is more consistent than the anime. --- El sexo sucio y el planeta limpio. "If you are tired of fear from links... Let Kirby's Nightmare protect you." <cite>LordFarquad1312 posted [p:941085726] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Josiah_Is_Back posted... </cite> <quote>Well, the manga and anime are two different animals, right?</quote>Yes, but in general the manga is more consistent than the anime. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 06/22/20 4:57:24 PM #25:	Josiah_Is_Back posted... He overpowered MUI Goku and had him on the verge of unconsciousness, lying face down on the ground, and it took a pep talk from Krillin to get Goku to get back to his feet. I wouldn't say Jiren was stronger just by that alone. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:941085788] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Josiah_Is_Back posted... </cite> <quote>He overpowered MUI Goku and had him on the verge of unconsciousness, lying face down on the ground, and it took a pep talk from Krillin to get Goku to get back to his feet.</quote>I wouldn't say Jiren was stronger just by that alone. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Josiah_Is_Back 06/22/20 5:09:35 PM #26:	Veggeta X posted... I wouldn't say Jiren was stronger just by that alone. dude, what? lmao Ultra Instinct has been hyped as the technique no one can even touch. Jiren actually connected with hits, temporarily knocked MUI Goku out, and when they were doing a battle of ki blasts, Jiren's one-handed overpowered MUI Goku's two-handed. Jiren was stronger. It's undeniable. <cite>Josiah_Is_Back posted [p:941086454] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Veggeta X posted... </cite> <quote>I wouldn't say Jiren was stronger just by that alone.</quote> dude, what? lmao Ultra Instinct has been hyped as the technique no one can even touch. Jiren actually connected with hits, temporarily knocked MUI Goku out, and when they were doing a battle of ki blasts, Jiren's one-handed overpowered MUI Goku's two-handed. Jiren was stronger. It's undeniable. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gakk86 06/22/20 5:13:23 PM #27:	People like Beerus. Nobody liked Jiren. If they ever actually fought in the anime or manga, Jiren is getting got. More than that, strength levels in Dragon Ball are completely bullshit so we don't know. --- All generalizations are false, including this one. <cite>Gakk86 posted [p:941086662] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>People like Beerus. Nobody liked Jiren. If they ever actually fought in the anime or manga, Jiren is getting got. More than that, strength levels in Dragon Ball are completely bullshit so we don't know. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 06/22/20 5:15:58 PM #28:	Josiah_Is_Back posted... dude, what? lmao Ultra Instinct has been hyped as the technique no one can even touch. Jiren actually connected with hits, temporarily knocked MUI Goku out, and when they were doing a battle of ki blasts, Jiren's one-handed overpowered MUI Goku's two-handed. Jiren was stronger. It's undeniable. Jiren was gonna get knocked out by Goku if not for his stamina issue so how can you even say it's undeniable? Saying Krillin had to pep talk to save Goku is stupid because Jiren also had pep talks from his team. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:941086817] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Josiah_Is_Back posted... </cite> <quote>dude, what? lmao Ultra Instinct has been hyped as the technique no one can even touch. Jiren actually connected with hits, temporarily knocked MUI Goku out, and when they were doing a battle of ki blasts, Jiren's one-handed overpowered MUI Goku's two-handed. Jiren was stronger. It's undeniable.</quote>Jiren was gonna get knocked out by Goku if not for his stamina issue so how can you even say it's undeniable? Saying Krillin had to pep talk to save Goku is stupid because Jiren also had pep talks from his team. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 06/22/20 5:16:35 PM #29:	LordFarquad1312 posted... Beerus can use ultra instinct, and we all know how well Jiren did against that. Pretty well actually. Even MUI Goku couldn't win. That's ultimately the biggest hurdle to overcome. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:941086846] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>LordFarquad1312 posted... </cite> <quote>Beerus can use ultra instinct, and we all know how well Jiren did against that.</quote>Pretty well actually. Even MUI Goku couldn't win. That's ultimately the biggest hurdle to overcome. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordFarquad1312 06/22/20 5:16:41 PM #30:	Gakk86 posted... People like Beerus. Nobody liked Jiren. If they ever actually fought in the anime or manga, Jiren is getting got. More than that, strength levels in Dragon Ball are completely bullshit so we don't know. Ultimately, it's this. The winned will be whoever the story needs to. --- El sexo sucio y el planeta limpio. "If you are tired of fear from links... Let Kirby's Nightmare protect you." <cite>LordFarquad1312 posted [p:941086850] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Gakk86 posted... </cite> <quote>People like Beerus. Nobody liked Jiren. If they ever actually fought in the anime or manga, Jiren is getting got. More than that, strength levels in Dragon Ball are completely bullshit so we don't know.</quote>Ultimately, it's this. The winned will be whoever the story needs to. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mehmeh1 06/22/20 5:18:15 PM #31:	LordFarquad1312 posted... If you want an idea of how strong Beerus actually is, here's him geting ganged up by all the other gods of destruction and holding his own https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRedvQkqsS8 Yes, in the manga the exhibition match was between the gods of destruction, not against 3 irrelevant dogs. manga and anime have vastly different power scalings though. Jiren came out on top in his clash against MUI Goku in the manga --- FC: 3840-6927-7945, have OR/Y/SM4SH/PSMD/S/US I'm a youtuber, here is my link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRj1lj8EWzRtw3jp3HUXCxQ? .I play games <cite>mehmeh1 posted [p:941086930] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>LordFarquad1312 posted... </cite> <quote>If you want an idea of how strong Beerus actually is, here's him geting ganged up by all the other gods of destruction and holding his own https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRedvQkqsS8 Yes, in the manga the exhibition match was between the gods of destruction, not against 3 irrelevant dogs.</quote>manga and anime have vastly different power scalings though. Jiren came out on top in his clash against MUI Goku in the manga </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 06/22/20 5:19:18 PM #32:	UI Goku was more agile and finessed/efficient than Jiren but Jiren was indeed stronger Heck Vegeta was probably technically stronger than Goku too Hell, Roshi has more finesse than Jiren and caught him off guard --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:941086991] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>UI Goku was more agile and finessed/efficient than Jiren but Jiren was indeed stronger Heck Vegeta was probably technically stronger than Goku too Hell, Roshi has more finesse than Jiren and caught him off guard </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Josiah_Is_Back 06/22/20 5:19:55 PM #33:	Veggeta X posted... Jiren was gonna get knocked out by Goku if not for his stamina issue so how can you even say it's undeniable? Saying Krillin had to pep talk to save Goku is stupid because Jiren also had pep talks from his team. I think we're both using "strong" in different senses here. I'm talking about pure strength, raw power. Jiren > Goku in that regard. As far as technical fighting ability, MUI Goku only gained the advantage after snapping because of Jiren trying to kill everyone in the stage. Also, people like to bring up the argument that "Goku had Jiren beat, and would have knocked him off had his MUI not run out" as if that's somehow Jiren's fault. If Goku's body can't handle the technique that Jiren on his own matched, that's on Goku. In no way should that be held as a point against Jiren. <cite>Josiah_Is_Back posted [p:941087021] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Veggeta X posted... </cite> <quote>Jiren was gonna get knocked out by Goku if not for his stamina issue so how can you even say it's undeniable? Saying Krillin had to pep talk to save Goku is stupid because Jiren also had pep talks from his team.</quote> I think we're both using "strong" in different senses here. I'm talking about pure strength, raw power. Jiren > Goku in that regard. As far as technical fighting ability, MUI Goku only gained the advantage after snapping because of Jiren trying to kill everyone in the stage. Also, people like to bring up the argument that "Goku had Jiren beat, and would have knocked him off had his MUI not run out" as if that's somehow Jiren's fault. If Goku's body can't handle the technique that Jiren on his own matched, that's on Goku. In no way should that be held as a point against Jiren. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Scotty_Rogers 06/22/20 5:28:41 PM #35:	jeffhardyb0yz posted... Beerus has been the benchmark for power in Super. If someone were to pass him, it would be a stated/acknowledged thing. At the end of the Broly movie, which takes place after the tournament of power, ~~Goku tells broly he could be stronger than Beerus one day.~~ He doesnt even mention Jiren at all, beerus is still the bench mark for power Lol no he didn't say he could be. He flatout said Broly is stronger than Beerus Jiren was confirmed above the Hakaishin in general. MUI Goku was stronger than that. --- Mah dogs are hongrey <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:941087488] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>jeffhardyb0yz posted... </cite> <quote>Beerus has been the benchmark for power in Super. If someone were to pass him, it would be a stated/acknowledged thing. At the end of the Broly movie, which takes place after the tournament of power, Goku tells broly he could be stronger than Beerus one day. He doesnt even mention Jiren at all, beerus is still the bench mark for power</quote> Lol no he didn't say he could be. He flatout said Broly is stronger than Beerus Jiren was confirmed above the Hakaishin in general. MUI Goku was stronger than that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MuayThai85 06/22/20 5:31:06 PM #36:	Scotty_Rogers posted... Lol no he didn't say he could be. He flatout said Broly is stronger than Beerus MUI Goku and Jiren were confirmed stronger than Beerus No he didn't. Pretty sure it was something along the lines of "you MIGHT be stronger than Beerus". --- How can one person post so much stupid s***? <cite>MuayThai85 posted [p:941087597] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Scotty_Rogers posted... </cite> <quote>Lol no he didn't say he could be. He flatout said Broly is stronger than Beerus MUI Goku and Jiren were confirmed stronger than Beerus</quote>No he didn't. Pretty sure it was something along the lines of "you MIGHT be stronger than Beerus". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 06/22/20 5:34:07 PM #37:	MuayThai85 posted... No he didn't. Pretty sure it was something along the lines of "you MIGHT be stronger than Beerus". "I think you're stronger than Beerus" is what he said, and Goku isn't an idiot. Whatever the case, they're at least on par. Gogeta and Vegetto are def stronger; Beerus is outclassed. --- Mah dogs are hongrey <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:941087737] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>MuayThai85 posted... </cite> <quote>No he didn't. Pretty sure it was something along the lines of "you MIGHT be stronger than Beerus".</quote> "I think you're stronger than Beerus" is what he said, and Goku isn't an idiot. Whatever the case, they're at least on par. Gogeta and Vegetto are def stronger; Beerus is outclassed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 06/22/20 5:34:09 PM #38:	Josiah_Is_Back posted... I think we're both using "strong" in different senses here. I'm talking about pure strength, raw power. Jiren > Goku in that regard. As far as technical fighting ability, MUI Goku only gained the advantage after snapping because of Jiren trying to kill everyone in the stage. Also, people like to bring up the argument that "Goku had Jiren beat, and would have knocked him off had his MUI not run out" as if that's somehow Jiren's fault. If Goku's body can't handle the technique that Jiren on his own matched, that's on Goku. In no way should that be held as a point against Jiren. I thought we're talking about the height of their strengths against each other. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:941087741] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Josiah_Is_Back posted... </cite> <quote>I think we're both using "strong" in different senses here. I'm talking about pure strength, raw power. Jiren > Goku in that regard. As far as technical fighting ability, MUI Goku only gained the advantage after snapping because of Jiren trying to kill everyone in the stage. Also, people like to bring up the argument that "Goku had Jiren beat, and would have knocked him off had his MUI not run out" as if that's somehow Jiren's fault. If Goku's body can't handle the technique that Jiren on his own matched, that's on Goku. In no way should that be held as a point against Jiren.</quote>I thought we're talking about the height of their strengths against each other. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gamerguymass 06/22/20 6:37:28 PM #39:	Scotty_Rogers posted... "I think you're stronger than Beerus" is what he said, and Goku isn't an idiot. Whatever the case, they're at least on par. Gogeta and Vegetto are def stronger; Beerus is outclassed. Goku has also never fought against Beerus when he was using his full power. Beerus has always held back against Goku because he didn't want to outright kill him. --- Now Playing: "The Hunt for the Two Missing Nintendo 64 Games" An expansion came out, but I'm still a third of the way through! <cite>Gamerguymass posted [p:941091302] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Scotty_Rogers posted... </cite> <quote>"I think you're stronger than Beerus" is what he said, and Goku isn't an idiot. Whatever the case, they're at least on par. Gogeta and Vegetto are def stronger; Beerus is outclassed.</quote> Goku has also never fought against Beerus when he was using his full power. Beerus has always held back against Goku because he didn't want to outright kill him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 06/22/20 8:40:42 PM #40:	Gamerguymass posted... Goku has also never fought against Beerus when he was using his full power. Beerus has always held back against Goku because he didn't want to outright kill him. He saw Beerus go all out in Hakaishin battle royale. --- Mah dogs are hongrey <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:941097629] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Gamerguymass posted... </cite> <quote>Goku has also never fought against Beerus when he was using his full power. Beerus has always held back against Goku because he didn't want to outright kill him.</quote> He saw Beerus go all out in Hakaishin battle royale. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Gamerguymass 06/22/20 8:48:33 PM #41:	Scotty_Rogers posted... He saw Beerus go all out in Hakaishin battle royale. You mean the one where Beerus stood his ground against multiple Destroyers at the same time and Goku couldn't believe how powerful they all were that even the Omni Kings couldn't keep up with? --- Now Playing: "The Hunt for the Two Missing Nintendo 64 Games" An expansion came out, but I'm still a third of the way through! <cite>Gamerguymass posted [p:941098067] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Scotty_Rogers posted... </cite> <quote>He saw Beerus go all out in Hakaishin battle royale.</quote> You mean the one where Beerus stood his ground against multiple Destroyers at the same time and Goku couldn't believe how powerful they all were that even the Omni Kings couldn't keep up with? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Scotty_Rogers 06/22/20 8:57:35 PM #42:	Gamerguymass posted... You mean the one where Beerus stood his ground against multiple Destroyers at the same time and Goku couldn't believe how powerful they all were that even the Omni Kings couldn't keep up with? Zeno isn't a fighter. Goku could clearly sense Beerus's power there. He knows how strong he is. --- Mah dogs are hongrey <cite>Scotty_Rogers posted [p:941098565] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>Gamerguymass posted... </cite> <quote>You mean the one where Beerus stood his ground against multiple Destroyers at the same time and Goku couldn't believe how powerful they all were that even the Omni Kings couldn't keep up with?</quote> Zeno isn't a fighter. Goku could clearly sense Beerus's power there. He knows how strong he is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordFarquad1312 06/22/20 11:31:29 PM #44:	jeffhardyb0yz posted... 42 posts and my post at #34 is the last one I see wtf Same here high fives --- El sexo sucio y el planeta limpio. "If you are tired of fear from links... Let Kirby's Nightmare protect you." <cite>LordFarquad1312 posted [p:941106191] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>jeffhardyb0yz posted... </cite> <quote>42 posts and my post at #34 is the last one I see wtf</quote>Same here high fives </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MKScorpion 06/23/20 12:06:45 AM #45:	I think given the information we have from both sources (manga or anime) the last option is the most reasonable. Personally, I don't think he could. Even if we assume he has just as much raw power as Beerus, I think Beerus has much more experience as a fighter than Jiren. Idk how old he is exactly but it's apparently really old and if he has been under Whis's training for thousands of years I just don't see Jiren or Broly being able to win against him since I think they are far less experienced fighters. Look at Goku and Vegeta's gains from training with Whis...now imagine if they had been doing that for a couple hundred or thousand years. I lowball because Beeru's takes long ass naps lol <cite>MKScorpion posted [p:941107646] in Do you bel... [t:78794115]...</cite> <quote>I think given the information we have from both sources (manga or anime) the last option is the most reasonable. Personally, I don't think he could. Even if we assume he has just as much raw power as Beerus, I think Beerus has much more experience as a fighter than Jiren. Idk how old he is exactly but it's apparently really old and if he has been under Whis's training for thousands of years I just don't see Jiren or Broly being able to win against him since I think they are far less experienced fighters. Look at Goku and Vegeta's gains from training with Whis...now imagine if they had been doing that for a couple hundred or thousand years. I lowball because Beeru's takes long ass naps lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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